RAPTURE!! OR LEFT BEHIND????

[sdowney717]

I know it isn't.
The wicked dead are resurrected after the 1000 years. That is the 2nd resurrection.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
What is not clear about that?

Go back to post #7.

Yes, agreed.
There is an apparent inconsistency with 2 Timothy 4.
But scripture cant be broken, let me explain.

2 Timothy 4 New King James Version (NKJV)
Preach the Word
4 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

Jesus said let the dead bury the dead, but wait a minute, weren't they were alive? No they were the walking dead, they are spiritually dead.
Other versions of 2 Tim 4 for alive say the 'quick' and the dead. The living are those who know God and obey the gospel, the dead are those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel
They will be judged by Christ at His second coming with a terrible judgement, a fiery one. They will be killed and sent to hell.

Then at the final judgment they are resurrected by God to face the lake of fire and the end.

2 Thessalonians 1
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

 

[BABerean2]

I know it isn't.
The wicked dead are resurrected after the 1000 years. That is the 2nd resurrection.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
What is not clear about that?

It becomes very clear if you read the scripture found below, and realize that the same man recorded Revelation chapter 20, and John chapter 5.
What is the "first" resurrection found in John chapter 5.


There are two resurrections in John chapter 5.
The "first" resurrection in John chapter 5 is found below.
It is the spiritual resurrection from the dead, which comes upon faith in Christ.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


The second resurrection of John chapter 5 is the bodily resurrection and judgment of "all" the dead, found below.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(The timing of this event is found in Revelation 11:18.)

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

As I said before, the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Instead, it is a series of overlapping visions given to John on the Island of Patmos.
The scripture found above proves this fact.

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[mmksparbud]

Yes, agreed.
There is an apparent inconsistency with 2 Timothy 4.
But scripture cant be broken, let me explain.

2 Timothy 4 New King James Version (NKJV)
Preach the Word
4 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

Jesus said let the dead bury the dead, but wait a minute, weren't they were alive? No they were the walking dead, they are spiritually dead.
Other versions of 2 Tim 4 for alive say the 'quick' and the dead. The living are those who know God and obey the gospel, the dead are those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel
They will be judged by Christ at His second coming with a terrible judgement, a fiery one. They will be killed and sent to hell.

Then at the final judgment they are resurrected by God to face the lake of fire and the end.

2 Thessalonians 1
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

As I said---Jesus only comes for the saved. The wicked are left dead---judgement has already taken place when Jesus comes. That is why Jesus says:

Rev_16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev_21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

When Jesus says "it is done"---it is over---there is no changing of ones mind---the judgment is sealed---whomsoever is filthy will remain so, whomsoever is righteous, will remain so. His reward for the saved is with Him. The saved are given eternal life with Him. After the 2nd resurrection, after the 1000 years---the resurrection of the dead, their judgement is given them. Their punishment is given according to their works. There is no discrepancy -- Judgement has been determined --He comes for the saved---the wicked remain dead for the 1000 years, they are resurrected for their punishment.

 

[mmksparbud]

It becomes very clear if you read the scripture found below, and realize that the same man recorded Revelation chapter 20, and John chapter 5.
What is the "first" resurrection found in John chapter 5.


There are two resurrections in John chapter 5.
The "first" resurrection in John chapter 5 is found below.
It is the spiritual resurrection from the dead, which comes upon faith in Christ.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


The second resurrection of John chapter 5 is the bodily resurrection and judgment of "all" the dead, found below.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(The timing of this event is found in Revelation 11:18.)

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

As I said before, the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Instead, it is a series of overlapping visions given to John on the Island of Patmos.
The scripture found above proves this fact.

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Sorry---you need to reread---the first resurrection is the raising of the dead in Christ---the 2nd resurrection is the wicked. It is very clear when it is not interpreted according to anyone's theology but by what scriptures say.

All the dead will have a resurrection---
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

It is very clear.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I know it isn't.
The wicked dead are resurrected after the 1000 years. That is the 2nd resurrection.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
What is not clear about that?

Go back to post #7.

The Preterist view is that the 1st resurrection is of the 2 witnesses in the 1st century and the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37:10....
Note Acts 1:8 and Matt 19:28....Oh the wonder of His Word!

Lazarus and 2 witnesses of Reve 11 similarity
Acts 1 and Revelation 11 Ascending in cloud

Luke 2:34
And Simon blesses them and said toward Mariam His mother,
"behold! this-One is set/lying into a Fall and Resurrection/standing-up<386> of many in the Israel, and into a Sign being spoken against"
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Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Revelation 11:
11 And after the three days and half days, a breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand upon their feet and fear great fall upon the ones observing them.
12 And they hear a Voice great out of the Heaven saying to them "ascend ye here!" And they ascended into the heaven in the cloud....

Ezekiel 37:10
And I prophecy as He instructed and the spirit/breath is coming in them and they are living and they are standing on their feet, an army/host, great, exceedingly-exceedingly.[Luke 2:34/ Reve 11"11]
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Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said to them, 'Verily I say to you, that ye who did follow me, in the regeneration, when the Son of Man may sit upon a throne of his glory, shall sit -- ye also -- upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel;

Luke 22:30
that ye may eat and may drink at my table, in my kingdom, and may sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;

 

[mmksparbud]

The Preterist view is that the 1st resurrection is of the 2 witnesses in the 1st century and the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37:10....
Note Acts 1:8 and Matt 19:28....Oh the wonder of His Word!

Lazarus and 2 witnesses of Reve 11 similarity
Acts 1 and Revelation 11 Ascending in cloud

Luke 2:34
And Simon blesses them and said toward Mariam His mother,
"behold! this-One is set/lying into a Fall and Resurrection/standing-up<386> of many in the Israel, and into a Sign being spoken against"
===================================
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Revelation 11:
11 And after the three days and half days, a breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand upon their feet and fear great fall upon the ones observing them.
12 And they hear a Voice great out of the Heaven saying to them "ascend ye here!" And they ascended into the heaven in the cloud....

The biblical view is what the bible says:
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The biblical view is what the bible says:
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The Preterist view IS the Biblical view

 

[BABerean2]

Sorry---you need to reread---the first resurrection is the raising of the dead in Christ---the 2nd resurrection is the wicked. It is very clear when it is not interpreted according to anyone's theology but by what scriptures say.

All the dead will have a resurrection---
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

It is very clear.

Yes.

If I only read the verses above, and did not know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and I also erased John 5:24, and John 5:27-30, and 2 Timothy 4:1, and Revelation 11:15-18, out of my Bible, then I might be confused also.

All man-made doctrines are revealed not by the scripture quoted by its proponents, but rather by the scripture they must ignore to make it work.
This makes them doctrines of ignorance.


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[mmksparbud]

Yes.

If I only read the verse above, and did not know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and I also erased John 5:27-30, and 2 Timothy 4:1, and Revelation 11:15-18, out of my Bible, then I might be confused also.

All man-made doctrines are revealed not by the scripture quoted by its proponents, but rather by the scripture they must ignore to make it work.
This makes them doctrines of ignorance.


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You totally ignore the verses you do not agree with. What's so vague about:

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You totally ignore the verses you do not agree with. What's so vague about:

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What is your view of the 2nd death?

YLT)
Rev 2:11
He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies: He who is overcoming may not be injured of the second death.
Rev 20:6
Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14
and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire -- this is the second death;
Rev 21:8
and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'
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Controversial Christian Theology

"appointed to die once" and "the second death"

If the second death is the same kind of thing as the first one, then wouldn't we be appointed to die, face judgment, and then, if judged guilty, die again?

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[mmksparbud]

I DO not AGREE at all

You don't have to. The scriptures speak for themselves.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You don't have to. The scriptures speak for themselves.

Of course they do..........

 

[mmksparbud]

What is your view of the 2nd death?

YLT)
Rev 2:11
He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies: He who is overcoming may not be injured of the second death.
Rev 20:6
Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14
and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire -- this is the second death;
Rev 21:8
and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'
=============
Controversial Christian Theology

"appointed to die once" and "the second death"

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Just what it says it is---2nd death. The saved die once. The lost die twice. THAT IS DEATH---NOT ETERNAL LIFE WRITHING IN HELL.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Just what it says it is---2nd death. The saved die once. The lost die twice. THAT IS DEATH---NOT ETERNAL LIFE WRITHING IN HELL.

Glad to see the SDA's don't believe in eternal torment in hellfire......

Matthew 23:33
"Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16:24
23 "And being in torments<basanos 931> in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."
24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me
that I am being pained/vexed<3600> in this Flame."

Reve 19:3 "The smoke of the tormenting them/Her ascending Ages of the Ages"

Revelation 14:11
And the Smoke of the tormenting<basanismos 929> of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......... [Ezekiel 39:12/Luke 16:24,26]

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[mmksparbud]

Glad to see the SDA's don't believe in eternal torment in hellfire......

I'm SDA not because I believe what they teach, but because they teach what I believe the bible says.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm SDA not because I believe what they teach, but because they teach what I believe the bible says.

You are in good company then........
Which "flavor" of Adventist are you?

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[mmksparbud]

You are in good company then........
Which "flavor" of Adventist are you?

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   8. Pentecostal & Assemblies of God
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My own. I have no idea about all that junk. There are all sorts of Catholics, Baptists and so on . Growing up---there were just SDA. I go by the bible, if any of them do not agree with how I see the bible, then that is their problem, not mine. I do not "hide" my denomination under the name of "Christian" or "Non-denom."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

My own. I have no idea about all that junk. There are all sorts of Catholics, Baptists and so on . Growing up---there were just SDA. I go by the bible, if any of them do not agree with how I see the bible, then that is their problem, not mine. I do not "hide" my denomination under the name of "Christian" or "Non-denom."

Thanks for clarifying that.
It appears the SDA's do not really focus on the rapture that much, which can be a good thing, at least according to some of what I read on the Adventist's boards.
Thanks for the friendly dialogue............

the rapture

i have a questions 1st i looked at the 28 fundamental beleifs and they say nonthin on this well do SDA beleive in the rapture?or is it like "this SDA does beleives in the rapture but this one doesnt and this one is a midtrip etc" ill ask more questions later

To my knowledge, SDAs believe in only one rapture that is of the living righteous at the return of Jesus. We dont' believe in the secret rapture, as described in the Left Behind books.

alright from what u said its like a "unspoken beleif of the church"

No, we don't believe in the "sercret" Rapture at all. We only believe in those being translated if they are alive when Christ's return. It is spoken of quite a bit, in fact, there have been several articles, etc. rebuking the belief int he "secret" rapture.
Maybe I should ask what you mean exactly when you say rapture?

do yall beleive in the 7 yr tribulation? and a while ago i went to a prophecy seminar I believe the guy who was preaching was SDA and he handed out a amzaing facts study guide about the sabbath and i took the quiz on the back and turn it back i got 5 more study guids several days ago and well do any of their study guids talk about what ive asked about?

Here you go reg: 28 Beliefs here
25. The Second Coming of Christ:
The second coming of Christ is the blessed hope of the church, the grand climax of the gospel. The Saviour's coming will be literal, personal, visible, and worldwide. When He returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and together with the righteous living will be glorified and taken to heaven, but the unrighteous will die. The almost complete fulfillment of most lines of prophecy, together with the present condition of the world, indicates that Christ's coming is imminent. The time of that event has not been revealed, and we are therefore exhorted to be ready at all times. (Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; Matt. 24:14; Rev. 1:7; Matt. 24:43, 44; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; Rev. 14:14-20; 19:11-21; Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; 1 Thess. 5:1-6.)

26. Death and Resurrection:
The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will grant eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an unconscious state for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous, will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 6:15, 16; Eccl. 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.)

A number of churches teach that "caught up" referes to the word raptuer: The transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven.
Adventists do not believe in, nor do we teach, a "secret rapture". Review 1Thes 4 and Rev 1:7 a bit more closely.
Peace

maybe some1 can give me a link to a site that tells me the official SDA beleifs of the end times that also has scriptual proof? thanks

Reg, see post #6 -- the one right above you. It comes with scripture references as well, which makes it easier to find the verses you need.

Hi Reg,
I'm happy to do so.
The link I'm providing below is to "Endtime Insights"; it is a website where Steve Wohlberg (and Adventist theologian and pastor) teaches on this and many other topics.

The 7-year Tribulation
(be sure to hit the "click here" link at the bottom of the page to see part 2 - it goes even deeper and has a lot more Bible verses used)

Here is the main topics page:
endtimeinsights.com -&nbspThis website is for sale! -&nbspendtime insights Resources and Information.

I hope you will find this information helpful.

Also, I copied one of his articles and posted it here at CF:
http://www.christianforums.com/t2212510-left-behind-series.html

And then my personal essay on the tribulation topic:
http://www.christianforums.com/t2212493-the-daniel-9-prophecy-no-7-year-tribulation.html

In post #6 the link to the actual Seventh-day Adventist 28 Fundamantal beliefs is noted however it is noted here again in case anyone else missed them.
28 Beliefs
Peace

Crumpled Clothes on Sidewalk after Rapture?

 

[BABerean2]

You totally ignore the verses you do not agree with. What's so vague about:

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

John saw "souls" in the vision of Revelation 20?
Where do we find souls? The answer is found in the verse below.

Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:


Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

How do we know the "first" resurrection above is the spiritual resurrection found in John 5:24?
What is the second death in the verse above, if it is not the death of the body?

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[mmksparbud]

John saw "souls" in the vision of Revelation 20?
Where do we find souls? The answer is found in the verse below.

Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:


Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

How do we know the "first" resurrection above is the spiritual resurrection found in John 5:24?
What is the second death in the verse above, if it is not the death of the body?

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If you want to believe that God has a whole boatload of "souls" squashed under His alter---be my guest, I do not.

The 1st resurrection is at the 2nd coming of Christ for the saved dead, and living saved. The 2nd resurrection is for the wicked dead, after the 1000 years. You want to believe otherwise, it's up to you.