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Shame on you n2.
You forgot to post a link to your website you always quote from. 2thess2
And that's no way to treat a lady in here. Plus you still haven't answer my question about Eve.
So what did God cover her with and why after she ate the fruit?
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n2thelight said:Why do you all make the wrath and the trib the same?All throughout scripture,we go through tribulations,that's a given Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." The end is not the trib,the end is His return(wrath)..........Until you all learn the difference you won't get it right One could be standing in the middle of a million people,that will deserve His wrath,and not a hair on your head will be harmed....
Thanks for the link add
Treated her with the Word
They covered themselves with fig leaves,that's why the parable goes all the way back to the Garden....He covered them with animal skins...
Anything else???
You forgot to include the next chapter who come after your quoted part. Lets see the explanation you left behind in yous haste of discrediting that website.No, I get it, and I get what you're doing too. You're causing division and your website does not promote a post-trib doctrine, it's against it and all other forms of beliefs.
Below is what your website commented on Post-Trib. http://www.biblestudysite.com/rapture.htm
Post-Tribulation Rapturism:
Post-trib was by far the most popular opinion (among Rapturists) during the time of the Reformation (16th century), but cannot be traced to a specific starting point. There are a lot of variations on this view but in its classic sense post-tribbers believe:
The church must endure the entire 7-year period, to be Raptured at the end of the Tribulation. God will protect his children through His wrath.
This is also in error, but they are the closest to the truth out of all Rapture theories. But they fall off right at the end. They rightly say that the 'Church' will be here for the setting up of satan's kingdom (Great tribulation) and that they will be here for the time of the false messiah antichrist. Then they make a nonsensical statement, they say that they will be Raptured up into the clouds at the end of the Tribulation and then turn right around and come back with Jesus at His Second Advent - this makes no sense at all!
This version errs in that they feel that only a portion of the people on the planet (the 'Church') will be removed before the wrath of God, which in fact commences the "Day of the Lord." But there is no selective removal before God's wrath is executed on the ungodly. The 'Church' witnesses the destruction of the ungodly but is itself protected from it. Observe this Scripture showing that some are destroyed while others yet REMAIN and witness that destruction of the ungodly: "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." {Rev 11:13}.
I wanted to make it clear to all including -you- about my starting of the thread called - The Pre-Tribulation rapture theory is a Satanic deception-that it does not mean that Satan as the power to make a Rapture ...but that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture THEORY is a DECEPTION because it will not happen... Different members participating have pointed out the dubious origin of the false Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory doctrine mounted as a religion on its own.And I never said anything about satan having power to rapture. You're just not getting what you're reading.
When I say that people can verify by themselves I mean that they can use their Bible to verify what that Website present against the false Pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine and other raptures versions saying that only a selective Group of People will be caught up-No. That's not the right source of information to verify biblical prophecy. The right source to advise others is to read the bible, not your website you keep promoting.
And if you can't understand the bible, use other translations till it sinks in, not XYZ.com.
And study Romans 8
And there is no partial "rapture" .... this is an inserted ruse made by those who have proprietary ambition
But there will be many of the professing "church" at the time not included [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:15-19]
These will have to turn to the Lord and repent during the tribulation and most likely killed and have to wait for their resurrection at the end of it [Revelation 6:9-11; 13:7; 14:13; 15:2-3; 20:4] [those beheaded]
There is no "second chance" .... only a first chance for all
And there will be those of the professing church who will enter the coming tribulation who are not true believers
The Lord has said it [Revelation 3:15-19]
I don't believe your point is a valid one
If taken in context Matthew chapter 25 makes it clear that there will not be a second chance. This is one of the biggest lies of the pretrib doctrine. Many are being told there will be a second chance during the tribulation. The parables of Matthew chapter 25 say the exact opposite. We are to be ready when he returns.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
There will not be a second chance.
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All across America millions of evangelical Christians actually believe the scenario they have seen in the fictional "Left Behind" movies. The shelves of many church libraries contain those movies and the books written by Tim LaHaye.
In the movies many people become Christians after they are "left behind" by the pretrib rapture. When their loved ones and millions of others around the world suddenly vanish, they come to realize the Bible is true. This is what I mean by a second chance.
You used Matthew chapter 25 as part of that scenario in your post. However, Matthew chapter 25 states exactly the opposite of this scenario. In the parable of the foolish virgins they are not accepted because they were not ready when the Bridegroom came for them. They were not given a second chance. The other parables in the chapter make it clear that we must be ready when the Bridegroom appears.
Your assertion that some will be given a second chance during the trib, based on Matthew chapter 25, does not agree with the text of God's Word.
The validity of our discussion will have to be judged by those willing to read God's Word, instead of accepting the opinion of either of us.
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Your definition of -saved- is far from the Scripture.Your resource is Revelation 3:15-19 that must be included in the study
There are those who think they are ready [saved] and are not for what ever reasons .... the professing church is full of them today
All Christians will have to go through the Great Tribulation if they are living at the time....those who will keep their Faith in Jesus Christ ie (not submitting to the Antichrist and the False Prophet by taking the mark of the Beast or his number) until the return of Jesus will be -spiritually- saved.Because they think they are, and are not .... they will go into the tribulation if they are living at the time
You forgot to include the next chapter who come after your quoted part. Lets see the explanation you left behind in yous haste of discrediting that website.
see link
The Rapture according to 'Them'
The website is not saying that there is no Post Trib Rapture but that the fundamental error is saying that only a selective Group of People will be caught up
The fundamental error in all the above 'Rapture' scenarios is that they all, in one fashion or another, believe that at some point in time only a portion of the people will be removed.
First of all, they misunderstand the Bible when it says that "all will be changed" to read "will be Raptured' The change is a change of body, it is us going from our flesh body into our spiritual body. and this happens to ALL people on the earth at Christ's coming AT THE SAME TIME! It is the consummation of the age, which is the beginning of the Millennium.
Read the below Scripture carefully and put out of your mind all that false 'Rapture' stuff. The below Scripture speaks of us going from our flesh body into our spiritual body. Those who are asleep (dead) have already changed into their spiritual body at the moment of their individual deaths. Their flesh corpse is the only thing in the grave. But those who shall still be living when Christ returns must also go into their spiritual bodies, but the are changed without actually dying a flesh death, they just discard these flesh 'Tabernacles' and the spiritual man emerges. For the in the Millennium we are no longer in our flesh bodies, but rather, we are in our spiritual bodies.1 Cor 15:51-55
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (KJV)
Your definition of -saved- is far from the Scripture.
Being saved does not mean being ready for the pre-tribulation rapture... who by the way will never happen.
All Christians will have to go through the Great Tribulation if they are living at the time....those who will keep their Faith in Jesus Christ ie (not submitting to the Antichrist and the False Prophet by taking the mark of the Beast or his number) until the return of Jesus will be -spiritually- saved.
The caught up/gathering (rapture) into the clouds to meet Jesus in the air will happen when Jesus return near the END of the Great Tribulation.....NOT PRE-TRIBULATION
No, I didn't forget the next paragraph or anything else. If you understand what you read, you can see the author changed the subject back to the rapture as a whole and no longer writing about the Post-Trib rapture.
You can see this because now he's talking about "all the above rapture" and not anyone particular one rapture.
No wonder Lamad pokes fun at you for wearing thick glasses. LOL!!!
This is really funny. The guy is telling readers to read carefully as if he's observant of what he's reading.
First off, this is not the rapture. Paul elaborated on the rapture in 1 Thss 4. That's the rapture, but 1 Cor 15:51-55 is not. There's no need for Paul go into great details about the same event twice. However, this is a major and important event in the future, but it's just not the rapture. 1 Cor 15:51-55 is one of the most misunderstood scripture of all bible prophecy. Easily in the top 3 in my opinion.
Eventually I'll explain to everyone what 1 Cor 15:51-55 is someday but not today. Instead, we'll see how observant this guy who wrote this website is. And I did tried to explain 1 Cor 15 to you about 5 months ago till you dishonestly added two words ( in Christ) in 1 Cor 15:52 behind the word "dead" trying to change the subject. So you're not getting an explanation this time either.
But instead, will ask you a question. Look at all of verse 53. It said "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
1 Corinthians 15:53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, - Online Bible Study Tools
Add verse 53 with verses 51 & 52 and what it means is everybody will become immortal. No one on earth will die.
And Paul wrote this scripture perfectly. There's no error. It is "all" and all will become immortal.
Now, if 1 Cor 15:51-55 is the rapture and let's say the rapture is pre-trib. How can there be a tribulation if no one can die during this 7 years?
Now you answer this question. "If the rapture is post-trib, how can Christ return to earth in Rev 19 and defeat the antichrist and his army if they can't be kill?"
Everyone is immortal and can't die. In fact, if you're immortal , you're no longer of this realm. You are in the supernatural realm in the spirit. Christ will return leaving heaven (supernatural realm) coming to earth (natural realm).
So here's the question again, "If the rapture is post-trib, how can Christ return to earth in Rev 19 and kill the antichrist and his army that is also immortal?"
What does the guy who created the website has to say about this? Amazing, he's centered his entire belief of the rapture on one scripture ignoring others like 1 Thess 4.
One other thing, rapture already happened in 1 Cor 15:23. No need for another rapture in verses 51-52. 1 Corinthians 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; - Online Bible Study Tools
Noticed how Paul use the dead in Christ in verse 23 but not in verse 52. There's no error in his writing. He knew what he was writing about and it perfectly lines up with other scriptures in the bible. This is a major event in the future that will also warrant the sounding of a trumpet. The only problem with 1 Cor 15 is in man's understand of this scripture.
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This is just more FALSE DOCTRINE.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Paul is speaking of WE believers, not sinners. it is preposterous to even think all alive on the earth at that moment in time become incorruptable. That theory will not fit the rest of scripture.
Next, this IS the same event as 1 Thes. 4. That is the moment that WE - those Paul was including with himself - will be changed.
You will have to come up with scripture to prove these are NOT speaking of the same event.
By the way, how will the earth be replenished in the Millennial - if there are none left in natural bodies?
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Cor 15:51-55
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (KJV)
This is really funny. The guy is telling readers to read carefully as if he's observant of what he's reading.
First off, this is not the rapture. Paul elaborated on the rapture in 1 Thss 4. That's the rapture, but 1 Cor 15:51-55 is not. There's no need for Paul go into great details about the same event twice. However, this is a major and important event in the future, but it's just not the rapture. 1 Cor 15:51-55 is one of the most misunderstood scripture of all bible prophecy. Easily in the top 3 in my opinion.
Eventually I'll explain to everyone what 1 Cor 15:51-55 is someday but not today. Instead, we'll see how observant this guy who wrote this website is. And I did tried to explain 1 Cor 15 to you about 5 months ago till you dishonestly added two words ( in Christ) in 1 Cor 15:52 behind the word "dead" trying to change the subject.
Probably because you have none.Eventually I'll explain to everyone what 1 Cor 15:51-55 is someday but not today
So you're not getting an explanation this time either.
All across America millions of evangelical Christians actually believeAll across America millions of evangelical Christians actually believe the scenario they have seen in the fictional "Left Behind" movies. The shelves of many church libraries contain those movies and the books written by Tim LaHaye.
In the movies many people become Christians after they are "left behind" by the pretrib rapture. When their loved ones and millions of others around the world suddenly vanish, they come to realize the Bible is true. This is what I mean by a second chance.
You used Matthew chapter 25 as part of that scenario in your post. However, Matthew chapter 25 states exactly the opposite of this scenario. In the parable of the foolish virgins they are not accepted because they were not ready when the Bridegroom came for them. They were not given a second chance. The other parables in the chapter make it clear that we must be ready when the Bridegroom appears.
Your assertion that some will be given a second chance during the trib, based on Matthew chapter 25, does not agree with the text of God's Word.
The validity of our discussion will have to be judged by those willing to read God's Word, instead of accepting the opinion of either of us.
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