Ralph Strean to produce a Christian version of 'Cosmos'....

[Resha Caner]

No, I think the Bible is. God's vicar(s), so to speak, were the prophets and apostles, authenticated by God, who penned Scriptures. They are the only interpreters. They are the only vicar(s) I recognize.

So Ralph Strean is not one of these apostles/prophets that God raised up?

 

[The Barbarian]

Thanks for answering, but to glean the answer I'm looking for, I'll rephrase and you can tell me if my phrasing is correct.

In essence, you select a single bacterial organism for study. As such, you know each gene in the study starts with only one allele. As that single organism reproduces, if the allele frequency changes, you conclude it was not selected.

If a different allele shows up, we know it's via mutation, since it didn't exist in the bacterium to begin with. At first the frequency of every allele is 1.0. But as soon as that bacterium reproduces, mutations ensue, and then we see other alleles show up. (I am supposing you know that an allele is a particular version of a gene)

If a new allele is better fitted to the environment than the original one, we would see the new allele increasing in frequency and the old one decreasing.

 

[Resha Caner]

If a different allele shows up, we know it's via mutation, since it didn't exist in the bacterium to begin with. At first the frequency of every allele is 1.0. But as soon as that bacterium reproduces, mutations ensue, and then we see other alleles show up. (I am supposing you know that an allele is a particular version of a gene)

If a new allele is better fitted to the environment than the original one, we would see the new allele increasing in frequency and the old one decreasing.

OK, I see your clarification (I think). So, selection is playing a role, but you wouldn't conclude selection alone explains the change in allele frequency.

It might not be possible, and maybe no one but me would be interested, but I'd be curious to repeat the experiment. IOW, use a statistically relevant sample size of exact clones (i.e. all with the exact same DNA) under the same conditions (as much as possible) and see when differences in allele frequency become statistically significant (by actually sequencing the DNA that is).

 

[SilverBear]

And Bingo. Dropped some links and ran. These guys are so predictable. They're followers. He has nothing to say. They just take you to their leaders and silently slip away.

well I will admit i was wrong suggesting you would turn tail and run. I had not considered you would blathering misdirection and false witness.


you said:

Actually all these claims are false, or misrepresented.

Well there is Mr. Strean lecturing to a huge audience (laugh) saying exactly what I attributed to him.

You made them up which is why you didn't post any links to prove it.

well there are the links you wanted....implied you wanted, you obviously didn't want any links at all.

I'll wait and see if you'll even attempt to back any of this stuff up.

Which i did.


So what next? Are you going to try to pretend the video of Strean is fake?

 

[SilverBear]

@sfs , @The Barbarian - If you could, I'd be curious to hear your reply to this position. What data does biology use to claim bacteria are evolving (producing new DNA) as opposed to adapting (selecting from existing DNA)?

the latest research on bacterial evolution

and a video catching it in action

 

[sfs]

If a new allele is better fitted to the environment than the original one, we would see the new allele increasing in frequency and the old one decreasing.

It's a bit more complicated than that. If the new allele is just as fit as the old one, it may increase in frequency by chance anyway (genetic drift). If the new allele is more fit, it is more likely to increase in frequency than if it were just as fit, but it may still disappear by chance (unless it is a great deal more fit).

 

[Calminian]

100K + for Strean. 113K actually. Drive the naysayers nuts. Help him out

 

[Hiscosmicgoldfish3]

I would rather perform a root canal on myself.

Do we get to hear of billions and billions of years again? Billions and billions, zillions, quadrillions, trillions and billions of years.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Do we get to hear of billions and billions of years again? Billions and billions, zillions, quadrillions, trillions and billions of years.

Only billions. The universe is only about 14 billions years old. Not trillions, quadrillions. Certainly not zillions since, well, zillion isn't a number.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Hiscosmicgoldfish3]

Only billions. The universe is only about 14 billions years old. Not trillions, quadrillions. Certainly not zillions since, well, zillion isn't a number.

-CryptoLutheran

Billions and billions and godzillians of years.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Billions and billions and godzillians of years.

Banana turnip cucumber?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Hiscosmicgoldfish3]

Banana turnip cucumber?

-CryptoLutheran

I don't know about that. I do know that there are billions and billions of years.

 

[The Barbarian]

It's a bit more complicated than that. If the new allele is just as fit as the old one, it may increase in frequency by chance anyway (genetic drift). If the new allele is more fit, it is more likely to increase in frequency than if it were just as fit, but it may still disappear by chance (unless it is a great deal more fit).

Ecclesiastes 9:11 I turned me to another thing, and I saw that under the sun, the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the learned, nor favour to the skilful: but time and chance in all.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I do know that there are billions and billions of years.

That's correct.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Calminian]

Wow, they did it! Just passed the 150K mark.

$151,093 USD raised

More help is needed. Contribute if you can. Campaign ends at midnight.
Quantum Series

But we're going on a spacetime ship with Dr. Jackson.

 

[The Barbarian]

Wow, they did it! Just passed the 150K mark.

Interesting. If we're concerned about people shooting kids in school, we need to fund this guy's anti-science movie, he says.

That tells me all I need to know about that one.

 

[Calminian]

Interesting. If we're concerned about people shooting kids in school, we need to fund this guy's anti-science movie, he says.

That tells me all I need to know about that one.

It's so funny. This modern generation thinks it's arrived intellectually. The truth is we've devolved. We're much dumber than our ancestors. We've fallen for the mythological gods of our age, Mother Nature and Father Time. We seek to explain everything through them. Only a massively devolved generation could fall for such tale. Ancient man didn't have the tech we have, but were a little more philosophically astute. They sought other, more plausible, false gods.

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian chuckles:
Interesting. If we're concerned about people shooting kids in school, we need to fund this guy's anti-science movie, he says.

That tells me all I need to know about that one.

It's so funny. This modern generation thinks it's arrived intellectually.

This guy is the perfect example. He's actually convinced himself that his new beliefs can stop school shootings, in the complete absence of any logical connection or supporting data. That's what passes for reason for so many people today. But he's hardly typical of Americans as a group.

The truth is we've devolved.

There is no "devolution." That was a one-shot joke by a mediocre new wave group. Sorry.

We're much dumber than our ancestors.

Turns out, you have it backwards, by any reasonable measure:

The Flynn effect is the substantial and long-sustained increase in both fluid and crystallized intelligence test scores measured in many parts of the world over the 20th century.[1] When intelligence quotient (IQ) tests are initially standardized using a sample of test-takers, by convention the average of the test results is set to 100 and their standard deviation is set to 15 or 16 IQ points. When IQ tests are revised, they are again standardized using a new sample of test-takers, usually born more recently than the first. Again, the average result is set to 100. However, when the new test subjects take the older tests, in almost every case their average scores are significantly above 100.


Test score increases have been continuous and approximately linear from the earliest years of testing to the present. For the Raven's Progressive Matrices test, a study published in the year 2009 found that British children's average scores rose by 14 IQ points from 1942 to 2008.[2] Similar gains have been observed in many other countries in which IQ testing has long been widely used, including other Western European countries, Japan, and South Korea.[1]
Flynn effect - Wikipedia

We've fallen for the mythological gods of our age, Mother Nature and Father Time. We seek to explain everything through them.

Turns out, no. We're merely a lot better at using math and science to figure out things. Medicine, technology, and so on. Unfortunately, being a lot smarter isn't the whole story. Philosophy and theology, for example, haven't really progressed at all.

We still see the simple and obvious message of Jesus warped and hijacked by people (whether by intent or ignorance, it's hard to say) who want to make it about racism, science, or whatever their particular hang-up might be.

Not that the rest of us pay much attention.

 

[Calminian]

And he's really going hate this story. In fact, he'll likely tell us the real answer is gun-free zones. I'll call him a neanderthal but......


BREAKING: Armed Civilians Shoot Would-Be Mass Shooter At Washington Walmart

 

[Calminian]

And we actually do have a dropping IQ crisis. Looks like the Flynn effect is in trouble. LOL! But that's not going to faze our modern geniuses. They'll find something else to blame. It can't be that the Bible is true. We can't possible be dumber than their ancestors. Please say it isn't so.

Why are IQ’s Dropping On A WorldWide basis