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Radiometric Dating: An immutable proof of old Earth.

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I simply made an assumption, which has nothing to do with logic. ("God is omnipotent" is 100% logically acceptable)
I the assumption is not reasonable, then the conclusion would be unreasonable.
What are you afraid of?
Actually, anything being omnipotent is not logically acceptable (or confirmed biblical canon), given that an omnipotent being defying logic would not be logically acceptable (such as making a boulder so heavy even it cannot lift it, and other contradictory actions). Basically, the concept of omnipotent is in and of itself an idea that defies logic.
 
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The emphasis should not be on war they will go on forever if it was possible.
The Bible makes a prediction that if a person can continuously be alive to the spirit of God apart from human spirit and be transformed in the mind they will regenerate and become immortal.
It is dimensional and there could be technology involved. The human mind has issues and everyone is involved and is bonded in the mind through the familiar responses to what is coming in by the natural senses.
What are you even going on about? The legitimacy of a prophecy cannot be assumed before the event prophesied happens in such a way that it can be recorded, and the dead can't really communicate to us that an afterlife exists or not, let alone specifics about it.
 
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What are you even going on about? The legitimacy of a prophecy cannot be assumed before the event prophesied happens in such a way that it can be recorded, and the dead can't really communicate to us that an afterlife exists or not, let alone specifics about it.
The Bible always relates a hereafter. After life doesn't come into play in the scriptures.
The dead die and sleep. But those who have taken on the refined nature will be able to regenerate a form that can be seen but this is in the future.
The planet is covered by an effect that tunes everything into the same mode. The human mind has developed to reflect the predatory tendencies of biology. There are many examples. A person has self belief and this is learned from life experience. It is not just from books but it is the way we respond to incoming sensory information. The mind has an associated feeling in the body and when words are spoken it is directed through the emphasis and sound of the speech.

Everyone has to be relatively hard to interact with others. Some learn to use what power they have to convince others against their will but the trick is to not let others realize it.
Some learn to disarm and then get passed any resistance. As an example why do people like Hitler get control. One of his henchman said that when he spoke his speeches built and finished like an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
There is a way some get passed natural defenses and connect stirring up mutual feelings. The mind is used to get into other minds and this hijacks the brain and the body. This happens in churches with their religions as well.
The idea given through scriptures is this connected bonding with predatory tendencies must be detached from. Immortality is entirely possible or at least that is the hope. In the mean time the transformation should present nothing sinister.
But people prefer their own power and hardness and what it gives them and the scriptures relate that this mind brings sickness, deformities (mutations) and final death. Of course it is also played out in the way people treat each other.

A prophet is able to relate something and it will occur quickly because God is immediate and manifests everything seen instantly. That is at the atomic level. God is an energizing Spirit.
Long term written details of events are for those who are already involved in an understanding.
 
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I simply made an assumption, which has nothing to do with logic. ("God is omnipotent" is 100% logically acceptable)
I the assumption is not reasonable, then the conclusion would be unreasonable.
What are you afraid of?

What am I afraid of? Nothingness after death; the complete lack of consciousness. Fear has nothing to do with my convictions of disbelief, or else, why would I adhere to the worldview I fear the most? Yes, the most; even more than hell.
 
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What am I afraid of? Nothingness after death; the complete lack of consciousness. Fear has nothing to do with my convictions of disbelief, or else, why would I adhere to the worldview I fear the most? Yes, the most; even more than hell.

I hope you don't mind but there are some points that could be made.
The scriptures state that we know nothing when we are dead and should work diligently while alive. Christians have some false doctrinal idea that they go to heaven when they die to be with their loved ones.
The kingdom of heaven is entered when a person is perfect and holy now while alive. There is a way to clean up the mind and the energy in a person changes. This can be done but it is not in own effort.
If they have the inherited change within when death occurs, at some future date they will regenerate a form.
The planet is in a below par state. There could be something like an alternate technology applied.
The Bible relates that the earth will change and even the animals will not be predatory.
 
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How does radiometric dating work:

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To the average person these appear to be normal glow sticks. However, these are Tritium(Hydrogen: 1 proton+2 neutrons) glow sticks. The glow is a nuclear reaction, Tritium -> Helium 3. There was no helium in the vials when they were manufactured. Yet after 12.32 years, you will find that exactly half of the atoms are now helium. Those numbers, 12.32 years and 50% He 50% Tritium, aren't guesses. If you broke the glass and measured after 10 minutes, day 1, day 100, 12.32 years, 26.64 years. You get exactly the same half-life value for Tritium. This experiment is so basic that one of the many variants are done every semester by millions of students in college. The equation is the same, it doesn't matter if the half-life is seconds or millions of years. We even are able to accurately measure half-life's as small as yottoseconds in the Large Hardon Collider.

Experimental Examples of Half Life measurements:
Here is the experiment being done for Radon-220(video is 2m30s HL is 55s):
Here it is on a different Isotope(video is 10m):
Any other variants can been cited as needed.

The Properties of Crystals and Zircon crystals:
1. A single lattice represents a single crystal during a single crystallization event.
2. Every intact chemical bond in the crystal lattice was formed during the process of crystallization.
3. Zircon only incorporates (Zr,Hf,U,Th,Y)SiO4 into the lattice.
4. Lead doesn't incorporate into Zircon lattices. (Zr, Pb)SiO4 is not chemically possible.

The properties of Uranium Decay:
5. U-238 decays into Pb-206, U-235 decays into Pb-207.
6. The measured half-life of U-238 is 4.47 billion. The measured half-life of U-235 in 704 million years.
7. These measurements have been made many times over the course of 70 years and show no signs of variation.
8. These two decay processes yield two measurable isotope ratios of (U->Pb).
9. This decay process produces high energy nuclear damage to the lattice.
10. This decay process also produces Helium in measurable quantities.

What we observe when we dig up Zircon Crystals in nature:
11. Single lattice Crystals made up of (Zr,Hf,U,Th,Y)SiO4
12. High energy Crystal lattice fractures surrounding Lead which is not incorporated in the lattice.
13. Two different U-Pb isotopes ratios.
14. In a single lattice, both ratios when plugged into the half-life equation yield the same time elapsed. A relationship that even a tiny amount of outside Lead(which has different isotopic ratios) contamination would destroy.
15. An amount of Helium that always corresponds to the total (U->Pb) decay.

What we have never observed:
16. A varying decay rate(half-life) for any element. American Russian or Chinese, 1950 or 2016, Freshman or Researcher, we always measure the same rates of decay(half-life).
17. A Zircon lattice chemically embedded with Lead.
18. A process for Lead to become trapped during the Zircon crystallization process.
19. Lead that isn't surrounded by high energy fractures.
20. Evidence of outside Lead contamination(different isotopic ratios).
21. An amount of Helium that doesn't correspond with the (U->Pb) quantities and ratios.

Why the earth can't possibly be young:
1. Both Scientific Researchers and the Institute for Creation Research(Dr Humphrey) agree: The (U->Pb) ratios represent decayed Uranium.[source]
2. Both SR and Dr Humphrey agree on the amount of decay. (affirming my first 15 points)
3. Dr Humphrey argues that through some unknown mechanism the decay rate(half-life) was different in the past(point #16 on my list). And through some unknown mechanism has remained constant since the 1950s. He argues this indirectly by measuring diffusion rates, not decay rates(half-life). He only contracted his version of the Helium diffusion experiment to be performed once in 2001. He choose high temperature low pressure testing, which is contrary to the conditions of the source rock. Many others have performed this experiment both before and after Dr Humphrey, no other team can confirm his results as valid in high temperature high pressure environments.
4. If the amount of decay that has occurred happened during a young earth time scale, radioactive background decay would have to increase by a billion fold which Dr Humphrey argues directly.
5. It's simply not reasonable to believe that Dr Humphrey's assertion that an average rate of a billion times nuclear decay is compatible with:
5a. Biology, background radiation from the earth would destroy DNA/Proteins 1billions times faster.
5b. Geology, radioactive ores would go super critical and form natural reactors(or atom bombs) all over the earth.
5c. Astrophysics, the Sun would produce a billion times the gamma rays or go supernova.


2 Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Therefore the earth could burn up rapidly because the decay rate will change. God wills it.

God is immediate and an energizing Spirit. We live and move and have our being in God.
Therefore God is in the same space we take up.
The Eternal God covers Himself with light as with a garment and all the measured forces are God's Spirit and what is seen is His covering.
 
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2 Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Therefore the earth could burn up rapidly because the decay rate will change. God wills it.

God is immediate and an energizing Spirit. We live and move and have our being in God.
Therefore God is in the same space we take up.
The Eternal God covers Himself with light as with a garment and all the measured forces are God's Spirit and what is seen is His covering.

I missed the part where the scripture says the earth melting is because of a change in the radioactive decay rate. Could you please cite that verse for me?
 
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I missed the part where the scripture says the earth melting is because of a change in the radioactive decay rate. Could you please cite that verse for me?

5. It's simply not reasonable to believe that Dr Humphrey's assertion that an average rate of a billion times nuclear decay is compatible with:
5a. Biology, background radiation from the earth would destroy DNA/Proteins 1billions times faster.
5b. Geology, radioactive ores would go super critical and form natural reactors(or atom bombs) all over the earth.
5c. Astrophysics, the Sun would produce a billion times the gamma rays or go supernova.

Because God is manifesting everything this is how it will end, the process is revealed.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


At the age of 26 years an experience of God revealed that everything is instantly manifested. Knowing God is a little deeper and just beyond the mind that is usually thought from. Once drawn through a barrier in the mind the creator of the whole universe reveals that His energizing Spirit is active continuously.
 
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Therefore the earth could burn up rapidly because the decay rate will change. God wills it.
[my emphasis]

Maybe it will in the future, but the point being made is that if decay rates had changed in the past, we would see obvious evidence of it.

"5b. Geology, radioactive ores would go super critical and form natural reactors(or atom bombs) all over the earth."

If God blows up the earth next week, it will not change the fact that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.
 
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The scriptures state that we know nothing when we are dead and should work diligently while alive.
Physically dead, or spiritually dead? I would like you to reference the entire page the quote you are getting this from is on. Not the quote by itself; the whole page. You don't need to post it, just tell me which verse or link me to an online bible.

Christians have some false doctrinal idea that they go to heaven when they die to be with their loved ones.
Yup, it is to worship god... forever.

The kingdom of heaven is entered when a person is perfect and holy now while alive. There is a way to clean up the mind and the energy in a person changes. This can be done but it is not in own effort.
The bible explicitly states that humans are not capable of being truly good, as even evil thoughts are sins, and all humans bear the stain of original sin. Scripture does not agree with you here.

If they have the inherited change within when death occurs, at some future date they will regenerate a form.
What? That sounds more like reincarnation, which, unless you count Jesus's return, is not in the bible.

The planet is in a below par state. There could be something like an alternate technology applied.
Sure, I agree. Off topic, but I agree.

The Bible relates that the earth will change and even the animals will not be predatory.
So it says, but there is no evidence that it is actually going to happen.
 
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The Bible always relates a hereafter. After life doesn't come into play in the scriptures.
The dead die and sleep. But those who have taken on the refined nature will be able to regenerate a form that can be seen but this is in the future.
The planet is covered by an effect that tunes everything into the same mode. The human mind has developed to reflect the predatory tendencies of biology. There are many examples. A person has self belief and this is learned from life experience. It is not just from books but it is the way we respond to incoming sensory information. The mind has an associated feeling in the body and when words are spoken it is directed through the emphasis and sound of the speech.
The afterlife may not be elaborated on in scripture, but it is mentioned. Also, humans are biologically omnivores with a physiological lean more towards eating plant matter than meat. That is, it is possible to have a healthy diet by being a vegetarian or even a vegan, but you would never get the balance of nutrients you need by being a pure carnivore. You might be able to survive on it, but you won't be doing all that well.

Everyone has to be relatively hard to interact with others. Some learn to use what power they have to convince others against their will but the trick is to not let others realize it.
Some learn to disarm and then get passed any resistance. As an example why do people like Hitler get control. One of his henchman said that when he spoke his speeches built and finished like an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
There is a way some get passed natural defenses and connect stirring up mutual feelings. The mind is used to get into other minds and this hijacks the brain and the body. This happens in churches with their religions as well.
The idea given through scriptures is this connected bonding with predatory tendencies must be detached from. Immortality is entirely possible or at least that is the hope. In the mean time the transformation should present nothing sinister.
But people prefer their own power and hardness and what it gives them and the scriptures relate that this mind brings sickness, deformities (mutations) and final death. Of course it is also played out in the way people treat each other.
Mutation has no connection with how kind or unkind people are, the only exception being the after effects of setting off radioactive weapons... which haven't existed for very long.

A prophet is able to relate something and it will occur quickly because God is immediate and manifests everything seen instantly. That is at the atomic level. God is an energizing Spirit.
Long term written details of events are for those who are already involved in an understanding.
None of the bible's predictions that are not fulfilled within its own story have happened quickly unless they are the ones so vague that it would be more impressive if they weren't fulfilled. Also, none of this has anything to do with the topic of this thread.
 
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