Thank you for engaging me. We need to be able to talk even though we may disagree. I firmly believe that with the help of the Holy Spirit, we can grow and do better as members of the body of Christ.
Back to Trump's comments. There 3 issues with it.
1) calling those places "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]holes". What criteria is he using? People's faith in God? People's devotion to God? As Christians, what is our standard for speaking highly or lowly of certain places? Would Jesus have described these places as "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]holes"?
2) Contrasting this as he did with Norway. What was his criteria as a self-professed Christian to uplift Norway by contrast ? Last time I checked, in Norway, abortion was perfectly legal, so was gay marriage, you know, all those things that Trump and his evangelical supporters rail against in the US. And let me not even start on the Obama style free health care the Norwegians have been enjoying...
3) Since the bible is as we all claim the DEFINITIVE word by which we live our lives, please show me where it says in the Holy Bible that asylum should be only given to people coming from places we think are lovely. Last time I checked, the bible does not make such distinction. There are plenty of biblical quotes about refugees and fugitives, and how we are to shelter them and help them.
Not saying that the US should be forever open to all refugees, that is not possible. I expect limits and structures to be put in place to deal with the refugee issue. But it should always be done in a Christian way, meaning with respect and compassion for their humanity. Not with the blatant and racist tinged disdain that is being displayed. This reeks of the devil, not of Christ.
Are we going to talk about this or will we continue to sweep it under the carpet?
Are we going to talk about Trump's latest racist comments regarding certain countries? I know we are all aware of them.
Are we really going to be holding the bible in one hand while feeling righteous and turn a blind eye to the unchristian views our evangelical supported President has been professing?
When will the Christians who truly consider themselves followers of Christ stand up and speak up about what is happening to our country?
Disclaimer: Yes I am black, and born again for a little over 1 year, and I am appaled at the racism in the US evangelical community. Missionaries have been doing such great work precisely in the countries Trump denigrated, and his comments as a so-called Christian are going to be undoing a lot of this good work.
If it's always going to exist why is wrong to point out when it comes up? If President Trump plays the race card to attract voters why is it wrong for people to point out when he lays that card down?Racism will always exist on this earth. I don't think there is nearly as much of it as you think, and I don't think it's limited to white people.
What was truly racist is that 95% of black voters automatically voted for Obama and only 4% for McCain.Are we going to talk about this or will we continue to sweep it under the carpet?
Are we going to talk about Trump's latest racist comments regarding certain countries? I know we are all aware of them.
Are we really going to be holding the bible in one hand while feeling righteous and turn a blind eye to the unchristian views our evangelical supported President has been professing?
When will the Christians who truly consider themselves followers of Christ stand up and speak up about what is happening to our country?
Disclaimer: Yes I am black, and born again for a little over 1 year, and I am appaled at the racism in the US evangelical community. Missionaries have been doing such great work precisely in the countries Trump denigrated, and his comments as a so-called Christian are going to be undoing a lot of this good work.
...so the people who are already pretty much 86% Democrats are racist because they voted for the Democrat candidate? Does that mean any white Republican (sorry for being redundant there) who vote Republican are racist also? Or does that only apply to black Democrats?What was truly racist is that 95% of black voters automatically voted for Obama and only 4% for McCain.
Link? (and I might add adorable that anyone would believe this)In complete contrast to blacks, most white voters didn't notice skin colour.
What's stunning about the better candidate getting more votes? It happened in 2016 as well.ie. 55% of white votes went to McCain including the notoriously hard-to-win white working class vote, but Obama stunned many by taking an impressive 43% of total white votes.
No, that's not what the "results" show, that's simply the conclusion you're drawing from the numbers. See the difference?The result indicates that blacks are far more racist than whites,
OR: that's simply your way of looking at the world?but of course this fact goes completely against the politically correct narrative that racism is a white man's evil.
So? That' would be your opinion, and opinions are like noses: everyone has one and everyone can pick their own, that doesn't necessarily mean your neighbors are interested/bound to pay attention to whatever you pick out.In my perception, BLM, Black Lives Matter is no better than the KKK.
Lol You're silly!"Yes I am black" So if someone painted a wall black and you walked in front of it, you would completely disappear?
wouldn't it depend on which side of the wall you were on? I mean if you're behind the wall and I'm on the other side I would "disappear" when I walked in front of it, right?"Yes I am black" So if someone painted a wall black and you walked in front of it, you would completely disappear?
Are you alluding to Bill Clinton?@expos4ever
How so?
If evangelicals have a racist problem over something Trump said then why don't other voters have a problem when their elected president sexually abuses others?
The answer is we no matter who we vote for are not accountable for someone else's behavior.
Haiti was actually the first country founded by a slave rebellion. They succeeded where every other slave rebellion had failed. Considering they came from nothing, not even legal personhood, that's impressive. But I don't think that factors into the average chauvenists estimation of the world, they just look around and judge countries by outward appearances.
...and still the spin goes on...he wasn't talking about how bad the countries were, he was complaining about "these people". coming here. But it's always interesting to watch the attempts to spin it to be about something else.Haiti cannot be proud of itself as a country when its government remains high on the list of the world's most corrupt governments and so many of its people live in such abject poverty.
Those countries in which the government recognizes and respects human rights, cares about the welfare of the people, and that promote prosperity all prosper. Such countries manage to recover more rapidly in the face of natural disaster, recession, etc. Even the poor among them are made more comfortable in their poverty.
Those countries in which the government is corrupt and tolerate corruption, that exist primarily to enrich those in government and those who keep them in power are invariably the most miserable of nations. The President may have used a rather strong expletive or two to describe that, but he was in no way wrong in his observations about those countries with corrupt self-serving governments and that observation had absolutely nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or anything else no matter how much the race baiters and Trump haters want to make his comments about race.
Except that whites reasonably balance there votes between Democrat and Republican!...so the people who are already pretty much 86% Democrats are racist because they voted for the Democrat candidate? Does that mean any white Republican (sorry for being redundant there) who vote Republican are racist also? Or does that only apply to black Democrats?
The results are vividly clear. Your blindness is sad.No, that's not what the "results" show, that's simply the conclusion you're drawing from the numbers. See the difference?
nice dodge there.Except that whites reasonably balance there votes between Democrat and Republican!
No, again, the results aren't clear, but your interpretation of the numbers are.The results are vividly clear.
ohhh...don't be sad! Hey! Here's something that always cheers me up when I read it:Your blindness is sad.
whenever I read the bolded portion in the above it always puts a smile on my face, I hope it does the same for you!According to President Donald Trump, his administration has been one of the most successful in American history. But the public strongly disagrees.
The Republican Trump is now the least popular first-year president in the country’s history and a vast majority believes he has failed to keep the promises that won him the White House, according to two new Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research polls.
The results showed a poor approval rating for Trump. The president received a 32 percent rating, marking Trump as the least-popular commander-in-chief since approval ratings were recorded. Conversely, Trump received a 67 percent disapproval rating.
Haiti cannot be proud of itself as a country when its government remains high on the list of the world's most corrupt governments and so many of its people live in such abject poverty.
Those countries in which the government recognizes and respects human rights, cares about the welfare of the people, and that promote prosperity all prosper. Such countries manage to recover more rapidly in the face of natural disaster, recession, etc. Even the poor among them are made more comfortable in their poverty.
Those countries in which the government is corrupt and tolerate corruption, that exist primarily to enrich those in government and those who keep them in power are invariably the most miserable of nations. The President may have used a rather strong expletive or two to describe that, but he was in no way wrong in his observations about those countries with corrupt self-serving governments and that observation had absolutely nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or anything else no matter how much the race baiters and Trump haters want to make his comments about race.
To be fair, he didn't say that he grabbed them by that part. He said you could get away with doing that if you have money. What he did say that he did - kissing without consent, and more seriously, pursuing at least one woman that he knew to be married at the time, and walking through women's dressing rooms while they were in a state of undress - is bad enough.Because if we are going to start talking about sexual misconduct, you are on dangerous ground with Trump who has claimed to grab them by the p...
I don't know that the issue is color. The issue to me seems to be the lack of education and perceived lack of talent and ambition in people who are coming from poor countries. This better matches what conservative pundits have actually said over the years on the immigration issue.I agree with you that corruption is a blight on the political system of these countries. But are you saying that a country like Norway that has legalized same sex marriage, abortion, and has free health care, all things Trumps and his supporters despise and rail against in the good ole US of A is a good example of a country worthy of being lifted up by the same Trump and his supporters? The Christians for whom those issues are political deal breakers (Gay marriage, abortion) in the US are now giving Norway a pass?
Do you not see the lack of consistency here? Do you understand why some of us are skeptical?
It is just plain obvious the political systems of the countries is not the real issue, It is the color of the citizens that is an issue.
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