racism among US evangelicals

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The President is not a politically correct guy. He is an everyday guy and I know a whole bunch of those who are terrific people but who use expletives I would not use personally and they mean nothing malicious by it and think nothing of it. As I am sure the President doesn't either. Norway was just the first country that popped into his head. What makes somebody from Haiti or some really crappy African nation somebody who would be an asset to the USA when somebody from Norway would not? He was pushing for an end to a lottery system that makes no sense if we think those coming to America should be assets to America and be admitted on merit instead of by chance.

And this discussion was in a closed meeting without press so that those attending could speak freely and openly and really work out something plausible on an immigration policy. For somebody in that meeting to then use it as a political weapon, misrepresent what was said and how it was said, and betray the trust given him when he was invited to participate is frankly despicable. And for a single word to become the story of the day instead of all the truly good thngs that are happening is even more despicable.

That is not aimed at you personally and I appreciate your thoughtful comments. But in this case I think the criticism is really seriously misplaced.
 
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Our country has turned to Secularism as their primary religions and that is the problem. All of the concentration on -isms and -phobias are symptoms of a religion that is not about Jesus Christ so, in the vacuum He leaves, they can feel better about themselves.

That is why the Moralizing Puritans demand we take a stand, see. It's not enough to let Trump be Trump--we all must Confess. Where do YOU stand on Trump? Even Christians must Confess. Trumpism has become part of the Secularist religion. You either denounce Trump or you're a Heretic.

I reject it. All of it. I reject Secularist Orthodoxy.
 
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Haiti was actually the first country founded by a slave rebellion. They succeeded where every other slave rebellion had failed. Considering they came from nothing, not even legal personhood, that's impressive. But I don't think that factors into the average chauvenists estimation of the world, they just look around and judge countries by outward appearances.
 
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Racism will always exist on this earth. I don't think there is nearly as much of it as you think, and I don't think it's limited to white people.
If it's always going to exist why is wrong to point out when it comes up? If President Trump plays the race card to attract voters why is it wrong for people to point out when he lays that card down?
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What was truly racist is that 95% of black voters automatically voted for Obama and only 4% for McCain.

In complete contrast to blacks, most white voters didn't notice skin colour.

ie. 55% of white votes went to McCain including the notoriously hard-to-win white working class vote, but Obama stunned many by taking an impressive 43% of total white votes.

The result indicates that blacks are far more racist than whites, but of course this fact goes completely against the politically correct narrative that racism is a white man's evil.

In my perception, BLM, Black Lives Matter is no better than the KKK.
 
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What was truly racist is that 95% of black voters automatically voted for Obama and only 4% for McCain.
...so the people who are already pretty much 86% Democrats are racist because they voted for the Democrat candidate? Does that mean any white Republican (sorry for being redundant there) who vote Republican are racist also? Or does that only apply to black Democrats?

In complete contrast to blacks, most white voters didn't notice skin colour.
Link? (and I might add adorable that anyone would believe this)

ie. 55% of white votes went to McCain including the notoriously hard-to-win white working class vote, but Obama stunned many by taking an impressive 43% of total white votes.
What's stunning about the better candidate getting more votes? It happened in 2016 as well.


The result indicates that blacks are far more racist than whites,
No, that's not what the "results" show, that's simply the conclusion you're drawing from the numbers. See the difference?

but of course this fact goes completely against the politically correct narrative that racism is a white man's evil.
OR: that's simply your way of looking at the world?

In my perception, BLM, Black Lives Matter is no better than the KKK.
So? That' would be your opinion, and opinions are like noses: everyone has one and everyone can pick their own, that doesn't necessarily mean your neighbors are interested/bound to pay attention to whatever you pick out.
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"Yes I am black" So if someone painted a wall black and you walked in front of it, you would completely disappear?
wouldn't it depend on which side of the wall you were on? I mean if you're behind the wall and I'm on the other side I would "disappear" when I walked in front of it, right?
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Are you alluding to Bill Clinton?

Because if we are going to start talking about sexual misconduct, you are on dangerous ground with Trump who has claimed to grab them by the p...
 
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So yesterday, the president has denied ever saying those words he is quoted as saying...

I don't believe him, but since there is no formal record of the closed door conversation, I will have to give him the legal benefit of the doubt.
 
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The one good thing about Trump is that he drawn a clear dividing line between followers of Jesus Christ and....to be honest, there's not a single word that I can think of to describe supporters of Trump that wouldn't get me banned on this forum. He and they have crossed any and all limits of decency that warrant respectful discussion.

It is night and day. Heaven and hell. The most extreme point to the other most extreme point. There is absolutely no connection in any way shape or form between those who follow Christ and those who for whatever reason back Trump. They are about as mutually exclusive is anything I can ever imagine.
 
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Haiti cannot be proud of itself as a country when its government remains high on the list of the world's most corrupt governments and so many of its people live in such abject poverty.

Those countries in which the government recognizes and respects human rights, cares about the welfare of the people, and that promote prosperity all prosper. Such countries manage to recover more rapidly in the face of natural disaster, recession, etc. Even the poor among them are made more comfortable in their poverty.

Those countries in which the government is corrupt and tolerate corruption, that exist primarily to enrich those in government and those who keep them in power are invariably the most miserable of nations. The President may have used a rather strong expletive or two to describe that, but he was in no way wrong in his observations about those countries with corrupt self-serving governments and that observation had absolutely nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or anything else no matter how much the race baiters and Trump haters want to make his comments about race.
 
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...and still the spin goes on...he wasn't talking about how bad the countries were, he was complaining about "these people". coming here. But it's always interesting to watch the attempts to spin it to be about something else.
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Except that whites reasonably balance there votes between Democrat and Republican!
No, that's not what the "results" show, that's simply the conclusion you're drawing from the numbers. See the difference?
The results are vividly clear. Your blindness is sad.
 
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Except that whites reasonably balance there votes between Democrat and Republican!
nice dodge there.

The results are vividly clear.
No, again, the results aren't clear, but your interpretation of the numbers are.

Your blindness is sad.
ohhh...don't be sad! Hey! Here's something that always cheers me up when I read it:
Donald Trump had a terrible 2017
whenever I read the bolded portion in the above it always puts a smile on my face, I hope it does the same for you!
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I agree with you that corruption is a blight on the political system of these countries. But are you saying that a country like Norway that has legalized same sex marriage, abortion, and has free health care, all things Trumps and his supporters despise and rail against in the good ole US of A is a good example of a country worthy of being lifted up by the same Trump and his supporters? The Christians for whom those issues are political deal breakers (Gay marriage, abortion) in the US are now giving Norway a pass?

Do you not see the lack of consistency here? Do you understand why some of us are skeptical?

It is just plain obvious the political systems of the countries is not the real issue, It is the color of the citizens that is an issue.
 
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Because if we are going to start talking about sexual misconduct, you are on dangerous ground with Trump who has claimed to grab them by the p...
To be fair, he didn't say that he grabbed them by that part. He said you could get away with doing that if you have money. What he did say that he did - kissing without consent, and more seriously, pursuing at least one woman that he knew to be married at the time, and walking through women's dressing rooms while they were in a state of undress - is bad enough.

I don't know that the issue is color. The issue to me seems to be the lack of education and perceived lack of talent and ambition in people who are coming from poor countries. This better matches what conservative pundits have actually said over the years on the immigration issue.
 
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