Race is Not Important... Character Is

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Ethiopian is not a race, your quote has nothing to do with race.

Gotcha Jeremiah just spoke about the Ethipians skin color for no reason.

 

[SummerMadness]

Gotcha Jeremiah just spoke about the Ethipians skin color for no reason.

You are attempting to apply the modern concept of race to the Bible, something that never existed at that time period. Even if they described someone's skin color, that does not denote the concept of race. Saying that someone skin is dark or light has absolutely nothing to do with race. You are simply imprinting your own social ideology to an era when such ideologies never existed.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

You are attempting to apply the modern concept of race to the Bible, something that never existed at that time period. Even if they described someone's skin color, that does not denote the concept of race. Saying that someone skin is dark or light has absolutely nothing to do with race. You are simply imprinting your own social ideology to an era when such ideologies never existed.

What if they had 6 fingers and 6 toes?

 

[coffee4u]

Race is Not Important... Character Is

True or false ??

True.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

Unfortunately people make race important when it isn't at all. But then people will divide others over all kinds of things, could be based on wealth or intelligence or any other perceived difference. I believe for two main reasons, one is fear and the other is power.

 

[timothyu]

What if they had 6 fingers and 6 toes?

There are villages of just that but they are still of the human race.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Kuwshiy

Here

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Says,

Cushi or Ethiopian = see Cushan "their blackness"

1. one of the descendants of Cush the grandson of Noah through Ham and a member of that nation or people
   

Like there is a genetic marker in that sense

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

There are villages of just that but they are still of the human race.

Which ones back then? Wasnt that a genetic marker back then after the flesh with the Giants or of them which come of them (like the Anakims) Like Goliath huge, 6 fingers and 6 toes all of which began in one place and were driven out but remained in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod as Josh 11:22 points out?

 

[timothyu]

A lot of famous people let alone families that will be saddened to know they are not human. Were there giants on the ark?

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

A lot of famous people let alone families that will be saddened to know they are not human. Were there giants on the ark?

No, but maybe they were able to hold their heads above the water being so tall and all

 

[disciple Clint]

You are attempting to apply the modern concept of race to the Bible, something that never existed at that time period. Even if they described someone's skin color, that does not denote the concept of race. Saying that someone skin is dark or light has absolutely nothing to do with race. You are simply imprinting your own social ideology to an era when such ideologies never existed.

How would you explain Jews not associating socially with Gentiles

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Even today if you duckduckgo "Ethiopian people" they are as the scripture describes

ethiopian people at DuckDuckGo

And there is not one white skinned person in those pictures

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

They say that this Ethiopian who Philip preached Jesus to returned home taking christianity back home to Ethiopia

Acts 8:26-28 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

He was returning home and even today when you see the Ethiopian christians its the same thing

ethiopian christians at DuckDuckGo

Just as when you search Candace queen of the Ethiopians she is a black woman

So it is true here

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Cush = "black"

proper masculine noun

1. a Benjamite mentioned only in the title of Ps 7
   
   
2. the son of Ham and grandson of Noah and the progenitor of the southernmost peoples located in Africa ...
3. south african people at DuckDuckGo
4. the peoples descended from Cush
5. the land occupied by the descendants of Cush located around the southern parts of the Nile (Ethiopia)

Ethiopia 19, Cush 8, Ethiopians 3

South of the Nile people today, the same

people south of the nile at DuckDuckGo

Kuwshiyth (feminine adjective)

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

a Cushite woman, Moses' wife so-called by Miriam and Aaron (Numbers 12:1)

Kuwshiy (adjective)

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Cushi or Ethiopian = see Cushan "their blackness"

And again,

Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

The reason seems clear

 

[disciple Clint]

They say that this Ethiopian who Philip preached Jesus to returned home taking christianity back home to Ethiopia

Acts 8:26-28 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

He was returning home and even today when you see the Ethiopian christians its the same thing

ethiopian christians at DuckDuckGo

Just as when you search Candace queen of the Ethiopians she is a black woman

So it is true here

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Cush = "black"

proper masculine noun

1. a Benjamite mentioned only in the title of Ps 7
   
   
2. the son of Ham and grandson of Noah and the progenitor of the southernmost peoples located in Africa ...
3. south african people at DuckDuckGo
4. the peoples descended from Cush
5. the land occupied by the descendants of Cush located around the southern parts of the Nile (Ethiopia)

Ethiopia 19, Cush 8, Ethiopians 3

South of the Nile people today, the same

people south of the nile at DuckDuckGo

Kuwshiyth (feminine adjective)

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

a Cushite woman, Moses' wife so-called by Miriam and Aaron (Numbers 12:1)

Kuwshiy (adjective)

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Cushi or Ethiopian = see Cushan "their blackness"

And again,

Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

The reason seems clear

The clear reason was that he married outside the community of the Jews. He married a Gentile.

 

[Robban]

They say that this Ethiopian who Philip preached Jesus to returned home taking christianity back home to Ethiopia

Acts 8:26-28 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

He was returning home and even today when you see the Ethiopian christians its the same thing

ethiopian christians at DuckDuckGo

Just as when you search Candace queen of the Ethiopians she is a black woman

So it is true here

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Cush = "black"

proper masculine noun

1. a Benjamite mentioned only in the title of Ps 7
   
   
2. the son of Ham and grandson of Noah and the progenitor of the southernmost peoples located in Africa ...
3. south african people at DuckDuckGo
4. the peoples descended from Cush
5. the land occupied by the descendants of Cush located around the southern parts of the Nile (Ethiopia)

Ethiopia 19, Cush 8, Ethiopians 3

South of the Nile people today, the same

people south of the nile at DuckDuckGo

Kuwshiyth (feminine adjective)

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

a Cushite woman, Moses' wife so-called by Miriam and Aaron (Numbers 12:1)

Kuwshiy (adjective)

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Cushi or Ethiopian = see Cushan "their blackness"

And again,

Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

The reason seems clear

Tzipporah the daughter of Jethro a Midianite,

Because of Moses kindness toward Jethro's daughter at the well
he was taken in and he married Tzipporah.

With that and that he was on the run why should he suddenly
discard her.

Well, you know, whatever would the neighours say?

Torah does not say so much about skin color other than
all dark skinned people were referred to as Cush.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

The clear reason was that he married outside the community of the Jews. He married a Gentile.

I dont see where this applies with the exception of Cananites, as Abraham even sought a wife outside of them for Isaac

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Tzipporah the daughter of Jethro a Midianite,

Because of Moses kindness toward Jethro's daughter at the well
he was taken in and he married Tzipporah.

With that and that he was on the run why should he suddenly
discard her.

Well, you know, whatever would the neighours say?

Torah does not say so much about skin color other than
all dark skinned people were referred to as Cush.

I don't see them as being the same wife as some others do not either.

I was looking for something to sum up the same thing I was seeing and I think the closet I can link to without going there myself would be found here

Numbers 12:1 Then Miriam and Aaron criticized Moses because of the Cushite woman he had married, for he had taken a Cushite wife.

One clip

Because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married.--Some suppose that the reference is to Zipporah, who may have been included amongst the Asiatic division of the Ethiopians, or Cushites (comp. Habakkuk 3:7, where the tents of Cushan, or Cush, are coupled with the curtains of Midian), and that the occasion of the opposition to Moses was the undue influence which he is supposed to have allowed Hobab and other members of Zipporah's family to exercise over him. This supposition, however, seems improbable on many accounts. The words, "for he had married an Ethiopian (or Cushite) woman," naturally point to some recent occurrence, not to one which had taken place more than forty years previously, and which is, therefore, very unlikely to have given occasion to the murmuring of Miriam and Aaron at this time. Moreover, the murmuring is expressly connected with the Cushite herself, not with any of the subsequent or incidental results of the marriage. It seems, therefore, much more probable that Zipporah was dead, and that Moses had married one of the African Cushites who had accompanied the Israelites in their march out of Egypt, or one of the Cushites who dwelt in Arabia, and who were found at this time in the neighbourhood of Sinai. A similar marriage had been contracted by Joseph, and such marriages were not forbidden by the Law, which prohibited marriage with the Canaanites (Exodus 34:16).

Same

Numbers 12:1 Then Miriam and Aaron criticized Moses because of the Cushite woman he had married, for he had taken a Cushite wife.


Because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. Hebrew, a Cushite woman. The descendants of Cush were distributed both in Africa (the Ethiopians proper) and in Asia (the southern Arabians, Babylonians, Ninevites, etc.). See Genesis 10. Some have thought that this Ethiopian woman was none other than the Midianite Zipporah, who might have been called a Cushite in some loose sense by Miriam. The historian, however, would not have repeated in his own name a statement so inaccurate; nor is it at all likely that that marriage would have become a matter of contention after so many years. The natural supposition undoubtedly is that Moses (whether after the death of Zipporah, or during her lifetime, we cannot tell) had taken to himself a second wife of Hamite origin. Where he found her it is useless to conjecture; she may possibly have been one of the "mixed multitude" that went up out of Egypt. It is equally useless to attribute any moral or religious character to this marriage, of which Holy Scripture takes no direct notice, and which was evidently regarded by Moses as a matter of purely private concern to himself. In general we may say that the rulers of Israel attached neither political, social, nor religious significance to their marriages; and that neither law nor custom imposed any restraint upon their choice, so long as they did not ally themselves with the daughters of Canaan (see Exodus 34:16). It would be altogether beside the mark to suppose that Moses deliberately married a Cushite woman in order to set forth the essential fellowship between Jew and Gentile. It is true that such marriages as those of Joseph, of Salmon, of Solomon, and others undeniably became invested with spiritual importance and evangelical significance, in view of the growing narrowness of Jewish feeling, and of the coming in of a wider dispensation; but such significance was wholly latent at the time. If, however, the choice of Moses is inexplicable, the opposition of Miriam is intelligible enough. She was a prophetess (Exodus 15:20), and strongly imbued with those national and patriotic feelings which are never far removed from exclusiveness and pride of race. She had - to use modern words - led the Te Deum of the nation after the stupendous overthrow of the Egyptians. And now her brother, who stood at the head of the nation, had brought into his tent a Cushite woman, one of the dark-skinned race which seemed oven lower in the religious scale than the Egyptians themselves. Such an alliance might easily seem to Miriam nothing better than an act of apostasy which would justify any possible opposition.

There are other parallel pieces, and I often dont like referring to anyone else work in any matter but this one just seems plain to me. However, outside of proving racism was not born out of the U.S (as it is accused of) and proving otherwise I have no further interest in this conversation.

So for me, regardless of what others might say, I believe racism existed long before the birth of the United States and thats good enough for me. So it crushes that false accusation.

 

[Robban]

I don't see them as being the same wife as some others do not either.

I was looking for something to sum up the same thing I was seeing and I think the closet I can link to without going there myself would be found here

Numbers 12:1 Then Miriam and Aaron criticized Moses because of the Cushite woman he had married, for he had taken a Cushite wife.

One clip

Because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married.--Some suppose that the reference is to Zipporah, who may have been included amongst the Asiatic division of the Ethiopians, or Cushites (comp. Habakkuk 3:7, where the tents of Cushan, or Cush, are coupled with the curtains of Midian), and that the occasion of the opposition to Moses was the undue influence which he is supposed to have allowed Hobab and other members of Zipporah's family to exercise over him. This supposition, however, seems improbable on many accounts. The words, "for he had married an Ethiopian (or Cushite) woman," naturally point to some recent occurrence, not to one which had taken place more than forty years previously, and which is, therefore, very unlikely to have given occasion to the murmuring of Miriam and Aaron at this time. Moreover, the murmuring is expressly connected with the Cushite herself, not with any of the subsequent or incidental results of the marriage. It seems, therefore, much more probable that Zipporah was dead, and that Moses had married one of the African Cushites who had accompanied the Israelites in their march out of Egypt, or one of the Cushites who dwelt in Arabia, and who were found at this time in the neighbourhood of Sinai. A similar marriage had been contracted by Joseph, and such marriages were not forbidden by the Law, which prohibited marriage with the Canaanites (Exodus 34:16).

Same

Numbers 12:1 Then Miriam and Aaron criticized Moses because of the Cushite woman he had married, for he had taken a Cushite wife.


Because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. Hebrew, a Cushite woman. The descendants of Cush were distributed both in Africa (the Ethiopians proper) and in Asia (the southern Arabians, Babylonians, Ninevites, etc.). See Genesis 10. Some have thought that this Ethiopian woman was none other than the Midianite Zipporah, who might have been called a Cushite in some loose sense by Miriam. The historian, however, would not have repeated in his own name a statement so inaccurate; nor is it at all likely that that marriage would have become a matter of contention after so many years. The natural supposition undoubtedly is that Moses (whether after the death of Zipporah, or during her lifetime, we cannot tell) had taken to himself a second wife of Hamite origin. Where he found her it is useless to conjecture; she may possibly have been one of the "mixed multitude" that went up out of Egypt. It is equally useless to attribute any moral or religious character to this marriage, of which Holy Scripture takes no direct notice, and which was evidently regarded by Moses as a matter of purely private concern to himself. In general we may say that the rulers of Israel attached neither political, social, nor religious significance to their marriages; and that neither law nor custom imposed any restraint upon their choice, so long as they did not ally themselves with the daughters of Canaan (see Exodus 34:16). It would be altogether beside the mark to suppose that Moses deliberately married a Cushite woman in order to set forth the essential fellowship between Jew and Gentile. It is true that such marriages as those of Joseph, of Salmon, of Solomon, and others undeniably became invested with spiritual importance and evangelical significance, in view of the growing narrowness of Jewish feeling, and of the coming in of a wider dispensation; but such significance was wholly latent at the time. If, however, the choice of Moses is inexplicable, the opposition of Miriam is intelligible enough. She was a prophetess (Exodus 15:20), and strongly imbued with those national and patriotic feelings which are never far removed from exclusiveness and pride of race. She had - to use modern words - led the Te Deum of the nation after the stupendous overthrow of the Egyptians. And now her brother, who stood at the head of the nation, had brought into his tent a Cushite woman, one of the dark-skinned race which seemed oven lower in the religious scale than the Egyptians themselves. Such an alliance might easily seem to Miriam nothing better than an act of apostasy which would justify any possible opposition.

There are other parallel pieces, and I often dont like referring to anyone else work in any matter but this one just seems plain to me. However, outside of proving racism was not born out of the U.S (as it is accused of) and proving otherwise I have no further interest in this conversation.

So for me, regardless of what others might say, I believe racism existed long before the birth of the United States and thats good enough for me. So it crushes that false accusation.

Moses married Tzipporah one of Jethro's daughters, he had seven.

Moses who was referred to as the kind stranger by them, had two sons with Tzipporah.
Moses was fleeing Egypt, he was on the run, he was unknown by most, he tended his father in laws sheep for years, until he took his wife Tzipporah and his two sons back to Egypt.

The Midianites were enemies of Israel, attacking, looting and terrorizing them at every turn, Aaron and Miriam's critic was not aimed at Tzipporah but at Moses.

After coming back to Egypt he sent his two sons home,

In and with his calling to be leader of Israel he seperated from Tzippah for a year or so, he had to be on the alert with communication with God, he simply did not have time with marriage.

Whereby Miriam and Aaron said,
"Who do you think you are, has not God spoken to us too?"

There they crossed the line and were punished.

As for Tzipporah she convinced her father to get rid of the idols.
he was a priest, also he sided with Balaam and Pharaoh in wanting to get rid of Israel.

He changed sides however and became supportive of Israel.
Though for while he was not sure which path he should take,
but Moses pleaded with him.

That is the short story.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

It seems obvious they were racist to me

 

[Strathos]

Depends if you mean "important" as in 'should ideally be a major consideration' or 'has a significant impact on things in the context of modern society'.

 

[Robban]

Depends if you mean "important" as in 'should ideally be a major consideration' or 'has a significant impact on things in the context of modern society'.

Just using "race" in regards to describing humans is,

I think asking for trouble.
Inferior, superior.

When the whole time it is about nations.

Growing up I never heard of different races,

it was nations and a nation.

In the Christian world could well be,
Kingdoms and a Kingdom.

Not superior, just set apart.