Race is Not Important... Character Is

[MehGuy]

True or false ??

When it comes to judging the individual I agree that race is not important.

 

[Rescued One]

The LORD said, ..." for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Just as Jesus did say also, "Ye judge after the flesh"

Racism is shown as far back as

Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

2 Cr 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

People who know you after the color of your skin just reveal more about themselves

Did the Ethiopian woman love God?

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Did the Ethiopian woman love God?

You will have to ask her

 

[Rescued One]

You will have to ask her

I don't speak to the dead.

1 Chronicles 10:13-14 - So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;

2 Kings 21:6 - And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

I don't speak to the dead.

1 Chronicles 10:13-14 - So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;

2 Kings 21:6 - And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Then why on earth would you ask me to answer for her love for God?

I don't know her Moses did

 

[timothyu]

You will have to ask her

I don't speak to the dead.

Ok, sun's coming up. On topic resumes

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Race is a social construct, racism is a system borne out of white supremacy in the United States. Who is considered white and black is based on a racist foundation and it was how the country operated since its inception. Much of that structure was dismantled in the 20th century, but there are still vestiges that need ro be excised. Dismantle white supremacy and its tentacles that remain in our society, then we can reach that goal of character mattering most.

What is the basis of white supremacy? Is it the foundations of white society: Education, vision, hard work, sacrifice, deferred gratification, cooperation, etc. Or is it simple racism.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

How is racism born out of the United states when it shows the same in scripture as far back as with Moses

Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

 

[Rescued One]

How is racism born out of the United states when it shows the same in scripture as far back as with Moses

Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

How is prejudice against marrying her related to race? Race can be different, but there are other reasons for opposing marriage.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

How is prejudice against marrying her related to race? Race can be different, but there are other reasons for opposing marriage.

Glad you brought that up, it was because she was ethiopian, if someone today would speak against a man marrying an ethiopian it would automatically mean he was racist.

But whenever the current narrative (such as racism being born out of the U.S) is destroyed somehow by what can be obviously perceived racism, its then it begins to be questioned.

To keep the first thing propped up anything that opposes it (or that which supposedly begins in the U.S) must be taken down.

You couldn't doubt that it was not about racism if that happened today, it HAS TO BE racism. They (today) would be accused of being racist simply because they did not like that Moses wife was Ethiopian.

There is NO OTHER explanation, its obvious.

So when someone questions that it "can be" something other then that (back then) it works for the CURRENT narrative that racism was born out of the U.S. And so what appears as obvious racism (back then) will get pushed aside because that really does not matter because they need it born in the U.S.

It's something else (move on...)

But I personally would regard it a a form of racism because it mentioned her as an Ethiopian and speaking against Moses based upon the fact she was an Ethiopian.

 

[Rescued One]

Glad you brought that up, it was because she was ethiopian, if someone today would speak against a man marrying an ethiopian it would automatically mean he was racist.

But whenever the current narrative (such as racism being born out of the U.S) is destroyed somehow by what can be obviously perceived racism, its then it begins to be questioned.

To keep the first thing propped up anything that opposes it (or that which supposedly begins in the U.S) must be taken down.

You couldn't doubt that it was not about racism if that happened today, it HAS TO BE racism. They (today) would be accused of being racist simply because they did not like that Moses wife was Ethiopian.

There is NO OTHER explanation, its obvious.

So when someone questions that it "can be" something other then that (back then) it works for the CURRENT narrative that racism was born out of the U.S. And so what appears as obvious racism (back then) will get pushed aside because that really does not matter because they need it born in the U.S.

It's something else (move on...)

But I personally would regard it a a form of racism because it mentioned her as an Ethiopian and speaking against Moses based upon the fact she was an Ethiopian.

I've already explained that God did not want His people to marry those who didn't love Him. That is still true and it has NOTHING to do with race! I don't know if that Ethiopian woman became a follower or not. Perhaps you are a racist since you insist on supporting the idea that a non-black couldn't marry a black person.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

I've already explained that God did not want His people to marry those who didn't love Him.

I did not see where you explained anything at all concerning anything in the picture of Moses and the Ethiopian

That is still true and it has NOTHING to do with race!

You seem to be talking about God and not Marian and Aaron who God was angry with, you may need to reread what you are responding to.

I don't know if that Ethiopian woman became a follower or not.

I never said I knew anything about the Ethiopian woman at any point when you asked. I have certainly not asked you whether she became a follower or not, I said nothing about her, there is very little known by the text.

Perhaps you are a racist since you insist on supporting the idea that a non-black couldn't marry a black person.

And where did I insist on non blacks not marrying blacks? Marian and Aaron were the ones speaking against Moses for marrying an Ethiopian not me. And God was angry with them (not Moses) so your post to me makes no sense.

Seems you misunderstand, go back and reread.

 

[Rescued One]

I'm sorry I offended you and perhaps misunderstood; I thought you were saying that Miriam and Aaron objected to the woman's race. I don't know what it precisely was that influenced their objection.
Numbers 12:1-15.

God's anger seems to be that He didn't want them to criticize His prophet.

I ask your forgiveness and God bless you.

 

[Rescued One]

What is the basis of white supremacy? Is it the foundations of white society: Education, vision, hard work, sacrifice, deferred gratification, cooperation, etc. Or is it simple racism.

No, white supremacy originated with Satan. It is racist and anti-biblical!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, white supremacy originated with Satan. It is racist and anti-biblical!

But is it really a thing?

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

I'm sorry I offended you and perhaps misunderstood; I thought you were saying that Miriam and Aaron objected to the woman's race. I don't know what it precisely was that influenced their objection.
Numbers 12:1-15.

God's anger seems to be that He didn't want them to criticize His prophet.

I ask your forgiveness and God bless you.

No problem at all you are certainly forgiven. And I was actually not offended, we ought not be as the Psalm says, "Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

It just tells us that they spake against Moses because she was an Ethiopian, not because of anything else. Now, I do not know how others understand being such except it be by lineage (having to do with blood lines after the flesh). But as is noted in Jeremiah they are used a an example which pertains to the skin as Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Moses has no qualms about taking her as his wife, it was just Marian and Aaron who spake against Moses for doing so. I believe it does show an example of racism there. God certainly had no problem with Moses choice, it came up as an issue with them but since it also says, ..."the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart" that could be what they saw. We are admonished to know no man after the flesh whether it is the color of an Ethiopians skin or any other linenage, God hath made all nations of one blood (it all bleeds the same color/Red) regardless of our exterior skin color.

 

[timothyu]

There are a million and a half Ethiopian Jews living in Israel.

 

[stevil]

True or false ??

"Race is Not Important... Character Is"
It is upto each individual to decide what is important to them.

But from my perspective:
We are all from Africa, all descendants of Africans, that is where the entire human population originated from.
Along the way us humans developed a multitude of languages, cultures and customs.
They are all interesting and all have great value.

With regards to Character.
A person is born with a set of behavioural characteristics, we also learn and develop behavioural characteristics as well. Our character is always changing depending on our situations, our physiology, our experiences and memories.
We are all capable of behaving with poor or good character and we all have times where we exhibit all of these.
People make mistakes, people learn and grow, it is strange that we try to label people's character, that we try to write some people off based on momentary events.

 

[timothyu]

People make mistakes, people learn and grow, it is strange that we try to label people's character, that we try to write some people off based on momentary events.

Do we label the people's character or just the character itself, which some people will portray. For instance we label rudeness. It is rudeness we are not fond of, hence as Christians are fond of saying, we address the sin, not the sinner. All races portray the same characteristics so why label certain races? If someone came in for a job and was rude and obnoxious, would race come into play in determining the position?

 

[SummerMadness]

How is racism born out of the United states when it shows the same in scripture as far back as with Moses

Numbers 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

Ethiopian is not a race, your quote has nothing to do with race.