Quick Question

[Jipsah]

This act will be Satan making ai seemingly come to life.

Been done, for entertainment pusposes.

 

[parousia70]

Been done, for entertainment pusposes.

I've been fighting zombies on my VR headset all day.....

 

[Douggg]

But, you are not even saying he was referring to that temple. You are saying he was referring to a temple that hasn't even been built. Where is your proof that this as yet unbuilt temple is something he would call "the temple of God"?

There will be a temple built for the time of the end prophecy in Daniel 8 of the little horn>Antichrist>beast stopping the daily sacrifice, committing the transgression of desolation act, and the temple cleansed of those things that will have made it desolate.

little horn>Antichrist>beast is a mini timeline

 

[Douggg]

Paul was expecting the "day of the Lord" with the Temple still standing

Paul was preaching for Christians to be ready.

Paul wrote in 1Thessalonians5...

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

 

[parousia70]

You and your sources had zero ! I just started on this and it was obvious you were wrong.

Like I said, the challenge was to find more than one in 1000 years of church history.
You met the challenge and found 2!
Congratulations.

 

[parousia70]

Paul was preaching for Christians to be ready.

Paul wrote in 1Thessalonians5...

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

I wonder why he didn't preach the TRUTH, and say:
"But ye, brethren, are not in the 21st century, so no need for you to watch for the Day of the Lord, for it will not overtake you as a thief in this present generation, regardless of whether you are watching or not, for it is still thousands of years away.."

You would think Paul was the kind of guy who would would have wanted to tell the Thessalonians the truth about these things, but maybe not...

 

[Jipsah]

There will be a temple built for the time of the end prophecy in Daniel 8 of the little horn>Antichrist>beast stopping the daily sacrifice

Looks to me like it's already been stopped.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

There will be a temple built for the time of the end prophecy in Daniel 8 of the little horn>Antichrist>beast stopping the daily sacrifice, committing the transgression of desolation act, and the temple cleansed of those things that will have made it desolate.

little horn>Antichrist>beast is a mini timeline

What would the purpose of the temple be and why would it be something that Paul would have called the temple of God?

 

[jgr]

Israel will build it. It will be called the temple of God because Israel will intend it to be for the worship and praise of the God of Israel, and Israel will intend it for them to observe the ordinances given to them under the Mt. Sinai covenant.

And Jesus will be the foreman in the temple abattoir directing the offering of the animal sacrifices.

The ones that He ended forever. (Hebrews 10:12)

You can't forget that.

 

[Cis.jd]

Out of curiosity, who do y'all think the Antichrist will be? I've been studying the evidence for quite some time, and have come to the conclusion that the Antichrist will be a specific Muslim figure, but I would like to know what y'all think and why.

I think the chances the media, government body, or just something that can influence the generation, it's something we don't expect or imagine from watching movies and tv shows. Which was what your studying is likely done from.

 

[Douggg]

What would the purpose of the temple be and why would it be something that Paul would have called the temple of God?

To the Jews, Israel, who will build the temple, the same purpose of the two previous temples.

 

[BABerean2]

To the Jews, Israel, who will build the temple, the same purpose of the two previous temples.

God commanded that the first temple, and the second temple be built.

Modern Orthodox Judaism is not the same faith as what is found in the Old Testament.
Its source of truth is the Babylonian Talmud, which is the writings of the rabbis who lived after 70 AD.

The third temple is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.


Based on Romans 2:28-29, and Romans 11:1-5, and James 1:1-3, and 1 John 2:22-23, and Revelation 2:9, and Revelation 3:9, you have misidentified the true Israel of God.


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[Douggg]

God commanded that the first temple, and the second temple be built.

Modern Orthodox Judaism is not the same faith as what is found in the Old Testament.
Its source of truth is the Babylonian Talmud, which is the writings of the rabbis who lived after 70 AD.

The third temple is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.


Based on Romans 2:28-29, and Romans 11:1-5, and James 1:1-3, and 1 John 2:22-23, and Revelation 2:9, and Revelation 3:9, you have misidentified the true Israel of God.


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There will be a temple built for the time of the end prophecy in Daniel 8 of the little horn>Antichrist>beast stopping the daily sacrifice, committing the transgression of desolation act, and the temple cleansed of those things that will have made it desolate.

 

[BABerean2]

There will be a temple built for the time of the end prophecy in Daniel 8 of the little horn>Antichrist>beast stopping the daily sacrifice, committing the transgression of desolation act, and the temple cleansed of those things that will have made it desolate.

Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts because of the common word elements in both passages. We also have the same reference to flee in the second verse in each Gospel.


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[Douggg]

Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts because of the common word elements in both passages. We also have the same reference to flee in the second verse in each Gospel.


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Why Antiochus was not the little horn

 

[GraceBro]

Out of curiosity, who do y'all think the Antichrist will be? I've been studying the evidence for quite some time, and have come to the conclusion that the Antichrist will be a specific Muslim figure, but I would like to know what y'all think and why.

I believe the Antichrist will be Jewish because Jews won't listen to anybody else.

 

[BABerean2]

Why Antiochus was not the little horn

Since your answer is based on a future 70th week of Daniel, despite what the Bible says in Matthew 10:5-7, and Acts of the Apostles 10:36-38, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, which reveal a time period of about 7 years when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles, your whole answer must be discarded.


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[Joyous Song]

Out of curiosity, who do y'all think the Antichrist will be? I've been studying the evidence for quite some time, and have come to the conclusion that the Antichrist will be a specific Muslim figure, but I would like to know what y'all think and why.

Rev.17

9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

Those seven "kings": 1) the Pharaoh who enslaved all Israel, killing all males; 2) Assyria king who exiled Ephraim and absorbed them; 3) Nebuchadnezzar who enslaved Judah; 4) Haman who sough to exterminate Judah, 5) Anti-ochus who sought to draw Judah from their faith. This had already fallen by the time John penned these words.

"One is" was number 6) Nero who persecuted Christians who are part of Ephraim/Israel,

"And the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time" is number 7) Hitler, finial solution sought to whip out Judah. and had he succeeded Christian/Israel would have followed.

As for the Anti-Christ: he beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition. He is 8) and was because he will resemble in some part all of those seven named antichrists. Is not because he had not yet come so looking looking at that list:

1) he will enslave G-d people
2) He will exile them
3) plundered and destroyed the Temple of G-d
4) Sought the death of Judah through trickery
5) Seek to draw Christians and Jews from their faith
6) Persecuted and killed any who stood form in faith or stood out,
7) sough death like Haman only he made himself G-d first,

The antichrist will have all these attributes.

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[Douggg]

I believe the Antichrist will be Jewish because Jews won't listen to anybody else.

You might be interested of what I have to say in my just uploaded video about the person and Judaism's beliefs regarding Satan and the angels. The video is only about 9 minutes long.

 

[BABerean2]

You might be interested of what I have to say in my just uploaded video about the person and Judaism's beliefs regarding Satan and the angels. The video is only about 9 minutes long.

It only takes one verse to prove Satan and the wicked angels have already been cast out of the third heaven.

Did Satan sin?


2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


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