Quick question

[Soul Searcher]

How many dinosaurs did moses take on the ark?

 

[KnowBeDo]

Wasn't Noah the one who built the ark?

 

[Soul Searcher]

 

[Soul Searcher]

Wasn't Noah the one who built the ark?

So how many dinosaurs did Noah take on the ark?

Related question.

Is a dinosaur clean or unclean?

Of course for those who believe dinosaurs were extinct millions of years before man can ingore the questions

 

[Mallon]

I guess that would depend on whether "dinosaur" was a "kind", or whether there were several "kinds" of dinosaurs.
Either way, you'll never get an answer from a Creationist.

 

[Becky153]

I'm a Creationist. Yes, I think Noah did take dinosaurs. He was told to take two of every creature. The extinction came, I think, when the flood was over and the world had different climates instead of just the one perfect climate.

 

[Mallon]

(You didn't answer his question.)

 

[Lignoba]

I'm a Creationist. Yes, I think Noah did take dinosaurs. He was told to take two of every creature. The extinction came, I think, when the flood was over and the world had different climates instead of just the one perfect climate.

How does one fit 2 of every sauropod, 2 of every large tyranical meateater (tyranosaurus, allosaurus, etc... ) and 2 of every venemous small raptor-like herd animal on? How about those creatures that dont have a determined sex until it is time for procreation? Did he grab them while they were doing the do and hope that they decided to change to that sex once the need for procreation was again needed? (I believe it only occurs in one or two types of lizards).

What about freshwater fish? If the entire world was flooded, the salinity of the water would be too high for freshwater fish, and would be too low for most saltwater fish.

 

[Grengor]

Noah had wooden aquariums, of course.

 

[Lignoba]

Noah had water-proof wooden aquariums, of course.

What about those creatures that have yet to be discovered, or that require extremely high pressure to survive? Some deep sea fish cannot survive in low pressure water, but the salinity would kill them.

 

[Grengor]

What about those creatures that have yet to be discovered, or that require extremely high pressure to survive? Some deep sea fish cannot survive in low pressure water, but the salinity would kill them.

Easily solved with a big rock. How's that for pressure?

 

[JohnR7]

So how many dinosaurs did Noah take on the ark?

The same as the number of kangaroos on the ark. The only way the Bible story makes any sense in light of what we now know from science is that Noahs flood was what we would consider a local flood and the animal species on the ark were from one biodiverse ecology system there in the Armenia area.

Science confirms today that the things we read about in the Bible, goats, sheep, bread, wheat and so forth, all had their beginning in this part of the world.

 

[Lignoba]

The same as the number of kangaroos on the ark. The only way the Bible story makes any sense in light of what we now know from science is that Noahs flood was what we would consider a local flood and the animal species on the ark were from one biodiverse ecology system there in the Armenia area.

Science confirms today that the things we read about in the Bible, goats, sheep, bread, wheat and so forth, all had their beginning in this part of the world.

I wont deny that there could have been a local flood, yet when I tell Christians this argument they almost all seem to throw it out the window and say "no the whole world was flooded!"

 

[gluadys]

I'm a Creationist. Yes, I think Noah did take dinosaurs. He was told to take two of every creature. The extinction came, I think, when the flood was over and the world had different climates instead of just the one perfect climate.

One perfect climate for who? or what?

How can there possibly be only one perfect climate?

There would have to be dozens of different climates to make a perfect climate for every creature, not to mention humans with different climate preferences.

 

[Soul Searcher]

I'm a Creationist. Yes, I think Noah did take dinosaurs. He was told to take two of every creature. The extinction came, I think, when the flood was over and the world had different climates instead of just the one perfect climate.

Actually he was told to take the clean creatures by sevens and the unclean by twos.

Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Gen 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Hence the question about if dinosaurs would be clean or unclean. Perhaps some would be clean and some unclean, could you imagion 14 brontos on the boat?

 

[DJ_Ghost]

I wont deny that there could have been a local flood, yet when I tell Christians this argument they almost all seem to throw it out the window and say "no the whole world was flooded!"

That's odd since the biblical flood has been accepted as either entirely allegorical or a local event by most Christian denominations for a long time. I can only presume you are speaking to fundamentalists.

 

[JohnR7]

That's odd since the biblical flood has been accepted as either entirely allegorical or a local event by most Christian denominations for a long time. I can only presume you are speaking to fundamentalists.

I guess you could say my views are not the "traditional" views. But I think we need to overlook some of the tranlsation problems to see what the Bible is really saying in light of what we now know from Science.

Genesis 6:17
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

The key here is the Breath of Life. What made Adam and Eve different from any other man upon the earth was they had the breath of life in them. So really, what the Bible is saying here is that everything on the earth that has the breath of life will be desroyed, except for Noah and his family of course.

Genesis 7:4
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth(adamah).

I hope I do not confuse anyone here, but when God says He will destroy every living substance off the face of the "earth", the Hebrew word used for "earth" is "adamah". This is a referance to the land of Eden. Other than what was preserved on the ark, God was going to destory one biodiverse ecology.

This story is important to us today, because God destoryed in Noah's day with water. The time is soon going to be here when God will destory the earth with fire. It could be in your generation. So, today Jesus is our Ark. Just like Noah found refuge from the storm, so we can also find refuge and protection in Jesus. God has provided a way for us to be saved and redeemed.

Many Christian today fail to do what God has called us to do. We are to make this story real in the lives of people today and show them what the message is for them today. The sunday school story of Noah is fine for the children. But it is our job to make the story real, and explain it to the adults. Everything in the Bible has a lesson in it for us today. It is up to us to show people what the lessen is for them. Each generation has the job of making the Bible real for their generation. We can not rely on what past generations have done. We must make the Bible new and fresh for our generation.

With the computer we have tools to study our Bible that no one has had in the past. Tools that save us a lot of time in our study of the Bible. So the Bible is more open to more people today than ever before.

If as some people claim, that science gave us these tools, then science should be using the very tools they gave us, to better understand the written word of God.

 

[JohnR7]

could you imagion 14 brontos on the boat?

If there were 14 brontos on the ark, then they would still be here today. Perhaps the brontos were destroyed in the flood.

 

[JohnR7]

How can there possibly be only one perfect climate?.

The perfect climate was for all in that biodiverse system. The Garden of Eden was to expand and fill the whole earth. God's plan was for all of the earth to be a paradise. Adam and Eve caused a little bit of a delay in the plan, but God will still restore this earth back to His origional plan and purpose.

It is up to each individual to decide if they want to be a part of God's plan or not.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

Many Christian today fail to do what God has called us to do. We are to make this story real in the lives of people today and show them what the message is for them today. The sunday school story of Noah is fine for the children. But it is our job to make the story real, and explain it to the adults. Everything in the Bible has a lesson in it for us today. It is up to us to show people what the lessen is for them.

Yes the problem is many creationists have chosen instead to drive people away from Christianity by insisting that these stories be taken as a literal fact exactly as laid down in the bible, they distract from the message in the stories by demanding we accept the story as utterly, historically and literally true. Since we know some of them are not (like the notion of a global flood, as you point out) there insistence that they are make Christianity look like a foolish and disproved notion and they drive people away from it. Thus they obfuscate the messages within the story, in trying to do gods work (bringing people to Christianity) they instead inadvertently do Lucifer's (Drive people away from Christianity). I am glad to see you recognise that it is not the literal nature of the bible we should examine but its deeper meaning.

Ghost