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Yes, this is a very valid question, particularly if you want your tattoo to stand out.

(I guess you want your tattoo to be multicoloured, rather than black, etc.? Some tribal designs actually come across more effectively in just black, although there even black can fade after a few years.)

Actually the coolest tribal tat I ever saw was black outline fading into a kinda cobalt blue colour in the center. really well done & looked absolutely amazing even though im not really partial to tribal tats. & mines not gonna be black :D
 
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PS: Do you happen to know if the fact that you have tattoos has in some way influenced any of your friends to get tattooed as well?

Well, some of them got tattoos before they knew me.
 
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There are New Testament verses against the practice of magic, whereas the Sabbath does not have clear New Testament support.

We are commanded to keep the Sabbath(4th commandment), just like we are also commanded to stay from practicing magic

The "New Testament" supports keeping the Sabbath 100%

the only way you won't find support for keeping the Sabbath in the "New Testament" is if you take Paul's epistles out of context, and distort them to your own destruction. Peter warned that there are people that do this
 
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We are commanded to keep the Sabbath(4th commandment), just like we are also commanded to stay from practicing magic

The "New Testament" supports keeping the Sabbath 100%

the only way you won't find support for keeping the Sabbath in the "New Testament" is if you take Paul's epistles out of context, and distort them to your own destruction. Peter warned that there are people that do this

How are "we" commanded to keep any of the Covenant at Sinai? We're not circumcised Jews or their descendants.

Do you really WANT a farm in Israel?
 
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How are "we" commanded to keep any of the Covenant at Sinai? We're not circumcised Jews or their descendants.

Do you really WANT a farm in Israel?
Keeping the Sabbath is the 4th commandment. If the 4th commandment isn't valid(which it is), then none of the other 9 commandments are valid.

That would mean we don't have to love God, we don't have to honor our parents, we can murder, we can steal, we can lie, we can take God's name in vain, and we can committ all the adultery we want

The 10 Commandments are not multiple choice. What God do you worship if you don't obey the 10 Commandments??

And yes, I do want a farm in Israel
 
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Keeping the Sabbath is the 4th commandment. If the 4th commandment isn't valid(which it is), then none of the other 9 commandments are valid.

That would mean we don't have to love God, we don't have to honor our parents, we can murder, we can steal, we can lie, we can take God's name in vain, and we can committ all the adultery we want

The 10 Commandments are not multiple choice. What God do you worship if you don't obey the 10 Commandments??

And yes, I do want a farm in Israel

The Ten Commandments are part of the Sinai Covenant. They never applied to anybody but the Hebrews.

There are some of those commandments - notably the commandment against killing and against adultery - that were already revealed before Sinai (the first explicitly to Noah). The other 8, about coveting, or worshiping idols, or keeping the Sabbath, were never given to anybody but the Israelites. The reward for obeying those commandments and the other 603 (or so) given to the Hebrews was a farm in Israel in this life. Not a word about any afterlife, heaven, final judgment.

The Law of Moses, including the Ten Commandments, is completely inapplicable since Christ.

The Commandments of Christ are the only law.

Now, his law reprises some of the Law of Moses, but extends those areas greatly. It also includes a great number of things not in the law of Moses - such as the requirement to forgive men their sins against you in order to be forgiven your sins by the Father. The Temple sacrifices satisfied the old covenant, but they don't satisfy the New. Only what Jesus said satisfies that.

And his Covenant promises life with God in the City of God after the resurrection, but no farm in Israel.

A different covenant, a different law.

There was a period when both laws stood. And in theory the Law of Sinai still stands, but it cannot be followed, as there is no Temple.

Forget Paul, I'm referring strictly to what Jesus himself said, in the Gospels, in Acts and in Revelation. THAT is the Law for us, and that's the ENTIRETY of the law.

Follow the Law of Sinai, and you will put yourself at great effort...to NOT get a farm in Israel, because the WHOLE law has to be followed for the Israelites to get Israel, and it isn't being followed...and indeed, with the destruction of Temple and Priesthood, it CAN'T be followed.

The farm in Israel does not include a room in the City of God afterwards anyway, so you'd do a great deal of effort to follow an old law for another people, and get nothing from it.

Far better to follow what Jesus said, and the Ten Commandments are not part of that. Jesus commanded nothing regarding any Sabbath. Sabbath is a great idea, for human rest, but it has nothing to do with passing final judgment.

Killing and sexual immorality will get you damned. So will lying. Coveting by itself won't, and neither will stealing.

And if you don't forgive others their sins against you, you won't be forgiven your sins. It's quite hard to follow the Law of Jesus - harder than following the 613 mitzvot, actually (assuming the sacrifices could be performed). But if you follow all 613 mitzvot, you're still not entering the City of God at judgment unless you followed Jesus' laws. Conversely, if you followed Jesus' laws and ignored the Law of Moses, you'll get into the City, but if you're a Jew you won't get the farm in Israel.

The Old Covenant was for a piece of land on Earth.
The New Covenant is for an apartment in Heaven.

The two must not be confused.
 
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The Ten Commandments are part of the Sinai Covenant. They never applied to anybody but the Hebrews.

There are some of those commandments - notably the commandment against killing and against adultery - that were already revealed before Sinai (the first explicitly to Noah). The other 8, about coveting, or worshiping idols, or keeping the Sabbath, were never given to anybody but the Israelites. The reward for obeying those commandments and the other 603 (or so) given to the Hebrews was a farm in Israel in this life. Not a word about any afterlife, heaven, final judgment.

The Law of Moses, including the Ten Commandments, is completely inapplicable to us, except where replaced by a parallel law from Christ.

The Commandments of Christ are the only law.

Now, his law reprises some of the Law of Moses, but extends those areas greatly. It also includes a great number of things not in the law of Moses - such as the requirement to forgive men their sins against you in order to be forgiven your sins by the Father. The Temple sacrifices satisfied the old covenant, but they don't satisfy the New. Only what Jesus said satisfies that.

And his Covenant promises life with God in the City of God after the resurrection, but no farm in Israel.

A different covenant, a different law.

There was a period when both laws stood. And in theory the Law of Sinai still stands, but it cannot be followed, as there is no Temple.

Forget Paul, I'm referring strictly to what Jesus himself said, in the Gospels, in Acts and in Revelation. THAT is the Law for us, and that's the ENTIRETY of the law.

Follow the Law of Sinai, and you will put yourself at great effort...to NOT get a farm in Israel, because the WHOLE law has to be followed for the Israelites to get Israel, and it isn't being followed...and indeed, with the destruction of Temple and Priesthood, it CAN'T be followed.

The farm in Israel does not include a room in the City of God afterwards anyway, so you'd do a great deal of effort to follow an old law for another people, and get nothing from it.

Far better to follow what Jesus said, and the Ten Commandments are not part of that. Jesus commanded nothing regarding any Sabbath. Sabbath is a great idea, for human rest, but it has nothing to do with passing final judgment.

Killing and sexual immorality will get you damned. So will lying. Coveting by itself won't, and neither will stealing.

And if you don't forgive others their sins against you, you won't be forgiven your sins. It's quite hard to follow the Law of Jesus - harder than following the 613 mitzvot, actually (assuming the sacrifices could be performed). But if you follow all 613 mitzvot, you're still not entering the City of God at judgment unless you followed Jesus' laws. Conversely, if you followed Jesus' laws and ignored the Law of Moses, you'll get into the City, but if you're a Jew you won't get the farm in Israel.

The Old Covenant was for a piece of land on Earth.
The New Covenant is for an apartment in Heaven.

The two must not be confused.
 
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Keeping the Sabbath is the 4th commandment. If the 4th commandment isn't valid(which it is), then none of the other 9 commandments are valid.

That would mean we don't have to love God, we don't have to honor our parents, we can murder, we can steal, we can lie, we can take God's name in vain, and we can committ all the adultery we want.

DKH, I would like to question you on this assertion, if I may.

All of these are, according to Christ, summed up in "Love God with all your heart... And love your neighbor as yourself."

So, my question: Why are these assorted laws necessary?

Genuinely curious about your understanding here.
 
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DKH, I would like to question you on this assertion, if I may.

All of these are, according to Christ, summed up in "Love God with all your heart... And love your neighbor as yourself."

So, my question: Why are these assorted laws necessary?

Genuinely curious about your understanding here.

The commands(laws) are necessary because they are instructions for how to love God and how to love our neighbor. Part of loving God is keeping the Sabbath, not having idols, not taking his name in vain, honoring your father and mother etc.

also, loving God means to love your neighbor, by not killing, stealing, bearing false witness, not committing adultery etc

The entire Torah is summed up in Loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself, but that doesn't mean there aren't instructions for how to love God and love your neighbor

God defines how we love him & our neighbor, not us

We can't say we love God and our neighbor if we don't live our lives according to how He says to love Him & our neighbor
 
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The commands(laws) are necessary because they are instructions for how to love God and how to love our neighbor. Part of loving God is keeping the Sabbath, not having idols, not taking his name in vain, honoring your father and mother etc.

also, loving God means to love your neighbor, by not killing, stealing, bearing false witness, not committing adultery etc

The entire Torah is summed up in Loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself, but that doesn't mean there aren't instructions for how to love God and love your neighbor

God defines how we love him & our neighbor, not us

We can't say we love God and our neighbor if we don't live our lives according to how He says to love Him & our neighbor

Okay. Fair enough.
 
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Hello, folks! It's been awhile since I was last on this forum; that said, I am hopeful that everyone here are still as willing to lend a helpful hand as I recall.

As part of my position with UnCommon Christianity Ministries, I host a weekly podcast. Tomorrow we'll be talking about tattoos, piercings and general body modification with a couple of Christians who own and operate a tattoo shop.

I'd like to get questions from everyone- Is there something you've always wanted answered? An argument that you've never had a good response to? Give me what you got, and I'll be happy to bring them up on air. Let me know if you'd like to remain anon, or have your Screen Name used.

If you'd like to hear the answers for yourselves, let me know and I'll be happy to either PM you or post it.

Here's the promo graphic being used for the sake of reference.


Tattoo's are of the world and Christians are to be separate from the world
2 Cor 6 : 14 Be not unequally yoked with the infidels: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath the believer with the infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the Temple of God with idols? for ye are the Temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell among them, and walk there: and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and separate yourselves, saith the Lord, and touch none unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Funny thing is many churches invited many things of the world and attempt to justify there foolish things through grace.......e.g. rock music, homosexuality, adultery, pedophilia and many other sins the bible speaks against. The majority of laws on the OT are still in effect except dietary and ceremonial laws but many again attempt the justify worldly things through grace and God's word addresses that foolishness.....


Romans 6:1-7 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin.


1 John 1 : 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and truth is not in us.
9 If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say, we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

James 1:13-15 13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
 
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I have 2 questions that you can ask in the event:

1) If a young man or woman decides to get a tattoo and they've done their research etc. What's the best way for him/her to prepare himself/herself for any negativity from other people or handle negativity from other people?

As Taylor Swift says, "shake it off". Because the haters "gonna hate hate hate hate"

2) Which one is better for someone, to have the tattoo done on their own or have someone to come with them?

Whichever you're comfortable with. Nothing wrong with a friend coming along for moral support.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Tattoo's are of the world and Christians are to be separate from the world

Posting on internet forums is of the world.

Funny thing is many churches invited many things of the world and attempt to justify there foolish things through grace.......e.g. rock music, homosexuality, adultery, pedophilia and many other sins the bible speaks against.

I can't seem to remember where the Bible speaks against rock music, perhaps you could help jog my memory.

The majority of laws on the OT are still in effect except dietary and ceremonial laws

Oh? How did you make that determination? And perhaps you could share with us where the Bible distinguishes the dietary and "ceremonial" laws from the rest of the commandments in Torah.

Thanks.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Posting on internet forums is of the world.



I can't seem to remember where the Bible speaks against rock music, perhaps you could help jog my memory.



Oh? How did you make that determination? And perhaps you could share with us where the Bible distinguishes the dietary and "ceremonial" laws from the rest of the commandments in Torah.

Thanks.

-CryptoLutheran
You have a serious problem attempting to discern sin from righteousness.....e.g. being in the world and of the world.

Romans 12 : 2 And fashion not yourselves like unto this world, but be ye changed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what that good, and acceptable and perfect will of God is.
 
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We are commanded to keep the Sabbath(4th commandment), just like we are also commanded to stay from practicing magic

The "New Testament" supports keeping the Sabbath 100%

the only way you won't find support for keeping the Sabbath in the "New Testament" is if you take Paul's epistles out of context, and distort them to your own destruction. Peter warned that there are people that do this
"Christ our passover is sacrificed for us, and is become the firstfruits of them that slept." (1 Cor. 15.20).

"On the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread". (Acts 20.7)
 
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Tattoo's are of the world and Christians are to be separate from the world
2 Cor 6 : 14 Be not unequally yoked with the infidels: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath the believer with the infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the Temple of God with idols? for ye are the Temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell among them, and walk there: and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and separate yourselves, saith the Lord, and touch none unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

[..]


Romans 6:1-7 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin.


1 John 1 : 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and truth is not in us.
9 If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say, we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

James 1:13-15 13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Great verses; important ones. (Tattoos not mentioned, though.)
 
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Oh? How did you make that determination? And perhaps you could share with us where the Bible distinguishes the dietary and "ceremonial" laws from the rest of the commandments in Torah.

Thanks.

-CryptoLutheran

Ceremonial laws expired when Christ was hung on the Cross and dietary laws are cancelled in Acts 10.
 
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Keeping the Sabbath is the 4th commandment. If the 4th commandment isn't valid(which it is), then none of the other 9 commandments are valid.

That would mean we don't have to love God, we don't have to honor our parents, we can murder, we can steal, we can lie, we can take God's name in vain, and we can committ all the adultery we want

The 10 Commandments are not multiple choice. What God do you worship if you don't obey the 10 Commandments??

And yes, I do want a farm in Israel
The Lord Jesus did not repeat the 4th commandment in Matthew 19, Mark 10 and Luke 18, which if it were to be carried over to the church age, one would assume would have been done. He, at the Resurrection, became the firstfruits of them that slept; He is the fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits; and we don't now go back to the shadow.
 
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