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Hello,

As an outsider, I am unfamiliar with many aspects of general Christianity, so please keep that in mind as you read this post.

In many sects of Christianity, the teaching is that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as the lord and savior, you will go to hell. I have a few questions regarding this concept.

1: Can someone point me to the direct quote(s) from the new testament where this idea is written.

2: What happens to a person who was righteous with their deeds in life, but was unsure about Jesus?

3: What about a righteous person who has no idea who Jesus is, or has no knowledge of the Christian faith?

4: What happens to a very sinful person, whose deeds were very harmful, yet accepts Jesus Christ?

I appreciate your input. Please, if there are any direct quotes from the bible addressing these specific question, I would greatly appreciate the verses. Thank you for your responses.
 

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Hello,
As an outsider, I am unfamiliar with many aspects of general Christianity, so please keep that in mind as you read this post.

In many sects of Christianity, the teaching is that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as the lord and savior, you will go to hell. I have a few questions regarding this concept.

1: Can someone point me to the direct quote(s) from the new testament where this idea is written.
John 14: 1 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions;[a] if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.[b] 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

2: What happens to a person who was righteous with their deeds in life, but was unsure about Jesus?
No such person exists:
Romans 3:
All Have Sinned


9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written:


“ There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”[b]
13 “ Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;[c]

“ The poison of asps is under their lips”;[d]
14 “ Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]
15 “ Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”[f]
18 “ There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[g]

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

3: What about a righteous person who has no idea who Jesus is, or has no knowledge of the Christian faith?
He will be judged as outlined in Hebrews 4:
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
We will all have to give an account as to the amount of exposure of Christ we have been given. After been rightly divided by Christ/The Word as in John 1:1 there will be no excuses.

4: What happens to a very sinful person, whose deeds were very harmful, yet accepts Jesus Christ?
The will be forgiven, so long as they themselves forgive those who sin against them.
Mat 18:
The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant


21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23 Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27 Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
28 “But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ 29 So his fellow servant fell down at his feet[d] and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’[e] 30 And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”[f]

I appreciate your input. Please, if there are any direct quotes from the bible addressing these specific question, I would greatly appreciate the verses. Thank you for your responses.
It is refreshing to see someone ask a biblically based question and in turn expect a biblically based answer.
 
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3: What about a righteous person who has no idea who Jesus is, or has no knowledge of the Christian faith?
In the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats [Matthew 25:31-45], Jesus clearly says that he will judge all the people of all the nations based on what they did for the hungry, the thirsty, the sick, and those otherwise in need.

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
 
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In many sects of Christianity, the teaching is that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as the lord and savior, you will go to hell. I have a few questions regarding this concept.

1: Can someone point me to the direct quote(s) from the new testament where this idea is written.
John 3:35-36
35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."


1 John 5:11-13
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.



Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."



2: What happens to a person who was righteous with their deeds in life, but was unsure about Jesus?
As has already been noted, there is "none righteous, no, not one." Does this mean that no one ever does what is good? Not at all. People do good things all the time. (Ro. 2: 14, 15) However, there is always the taint of Self and sin upon all good that is done apart from a motive of love for God. The best that any human being has ever done in living a good, righteous life is still vastly short of the standard of holy perfection that is God. And it His own perfection that God sets as the standard for our conduct.

God holds each of us accountable for what we do with Jesus. Millions have come to deep faith in Christ over the centuries, so doubts about Jesus really aren't the consequence of a lack of a good reason to believe. The apostle John points right at one of the major root reasons people are, as you put it, "unsure about Jesus":

John 3:18-20
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.


3: What about a righteous person who has no idea who Jesus is, or has no knowledge of the Christian faith?
Every person has an innate awareness of God, which he either suppresses or pursues. The apostle Paul explains,

Romans 1:18-22
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,


When a person sincerely pursues a knowledge of God, when they desire to know the God so evident in Creation, He promises to meet that person and give them the knowledge they desire:

Jeremiah 29:13-14
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you, says the Lord, and I will bring you back from your captivity; I will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you, says the Lord, and I will bring you to the place from which I cause you to be carried away captive.


James 4:8
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Matthew 7:7-8
7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.


No one exists, or has ever existed, who searched for God with all their heart and never found Him.


4: What happens to a very sinful person, whose deeds were very harmful, yet accepts Jesus Christ?
The apostle Paul was going around murdering Christians yet, after God got a hold of him, he ended up being the second greatest contributor to the New Testament!

No one gains acceptance with God on the basis of their own merit. As far as God is concerned, Mother Theresa is in as dire need of His mercy and grace as Hitler. Neither of them on their own measures up. Both need the covering righteousness of Christ and without it both will end up in hell. You see, none of us deserve God's redeeming mercy and grace. He gives us a way of salvation because He loves us, not because some of us are better than others. So, the serial killer on death row is offered the same grace and mercy as the kind old granny who's never harmed a fly.

Titus 3:4-7
4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.


Matthew 20:8-16
8 So when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, 'Call the laborers and give them their wages, beginning with the last to the first.'
9 And when those came who were hired about the eleventh hour, they each received a denarius.
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius.
11 And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner,
12 saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.'
13 But he answered one of them and said, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14 Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?'
16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."


Thank you for your responses.
You're welcome!

Selah.
 
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Dear SammiCurr. May I say this humbly and with love. A Christian, ( follower of Christ) will simply answer: Jesus died a painful death, that I might live without sin for ever. Looking at it from the world`s view, (outsider) Jesus Christ died for what I did, I am in His debt, at the very least, I should follow Him to show my gratitude.
For those who seriously want to give their thanks, Jesus would gladly show them HOW. You talked about a follower who is accepted ,because he wants to follow Jesus, and you overlooked the most important step. Whoever wants to follow Jesus back to where we came from, has to be " Reborn," be another person: Loving God with all our beings, and loving our Christian brothers and sisters AS WE LOVE OURSELVES. God is Love and Love rules in God`s Kingdom. Love freely given and no conditions asked. I say this with love, Sammi. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ. P.S. God can see our hearts, and God will know who is loving enough to enter God`s Kingdom.
 
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Hello,

As an outsider, I am unfamiliar with many aspects of general Christianity, so please keep that in mind as you read this post.

In many sects of Christianity, the teaching is that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as the lord and savior, you will go to hell. I have a few questions regarding this concept.

1: Can someone point me to the direct quote(s) from the new testament where this idea is written.

Agreeing with the teachings of Jesus, is believing.

2: What happens to a person who was righteous with their deeds in life, but was unsure about Jesus?

All of the righteous, before Gods eyes, agree with those that are righteous before Gods eyes. It is understood that God is perfect and the definition of wisdom. Aware of all things and in complete control. God loves us very much and protects and desires a relationship with each. Following Gods ways, resting in His peace is every life that is righteous before Gods eyes.

3: What about a righteous person who has no idea who Jesus is, or has no knowledge of the Christian faith?

God is aware of every situation and is in control. There is no place any can hide, that God is not aware of.

4: What happens to a very sinful person, whose deeds were very harmful, yet accepts Jesus Christ?

That is for God alone to decide. Accepting Jesus Christ will give a heart for God, how that one may please God in all that they do.
 
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Hello,

As an outsider, I am unfamiliar with many aspects of general Christianity, so please keep that in mind as you read this post.

OK

In many sects of Christianity, the teaching is that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as the lord and savior, you will go to hell. I have a few questions regarding this concept.

1: Can someone point me to the direct quote(s) from the new testament where this idea is written.

Joh 15:1-6 NASB"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.(2)"Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.(3)"You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.(4)"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.(5)"I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.(6)"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.


Joh 3:16-21 NASB"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.(17)"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.(18)"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.(19)"This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.(20)"For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.(21)"But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

1Jn 5:11-13 NKJV And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. (12) He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. (13) These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.



2: What happens to a person who was righteous with their deeds in life, but was unsure about Jesus?

see above, particularly 1Jh 5:11-13. Also:

Rom 3:10 NASB as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;

Rom 3:23 NASB for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Heb 10:38-39 NKJV NOW THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH; BUT IF ANYONE DRAWS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM." (39) But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

3: What about a righteous person who has no idea who Jesus is, or has no knowledge of the Christian faith?

Not clearly laid out... some idea is given in this passage:

Rom 2:5-16 NKJV But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, (6) who "WILL RENDER TO EACH ONE ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS": (7) eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; (8) but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, (9) tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; (10) but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. (11) For there is no partiality with God. (12) For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (13) (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; (14) for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, (15) who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) (16) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

4: What happens to a very sinful person, whose deeds were very harmful, yet accepts Jesus Christ?

Rom 5:8-10 NASB But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (9) Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. (10) For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

1Ti 1:12-16 NASB I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service, (13) even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief; (14) and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus. (15) It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.(16) Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.

I appreciate your input. Please, if there are any direct quotes from the bible addressing these specific question, I would greatly appreciate the verses. Thank you for your responses.

No problem. I tried as much as possible to let the Bible speak for itself. I hope this helps;
Mike
 
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Hello,

As an outsider, I am unfamiliar with many aspects of general Christianity, so please keep that in mind as you read this post.

In many sects of Christianity, the teaching is that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as the lord and savior, you will go to hell. I have a few questions regarding this concept.

1: Can someone point me to the direct quote(s) from the new testament where this idea is written.
There is no verse in the bible that says "If you do not accept Jesus Christ as the lord and savior, you will go to hell."
 
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There is no verse in the bible that says "If you do not accept Jesus Christ as the lord and savior, you will go to hell."

Well, this verse get's pretty close...

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)
 
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Well, this verse get's pretty close...

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)
Yes, but the part about "Hell" is missing.
 
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