Questions for Sabbath practitioners

[Saber Truth Tiger]

You say that laws against Sabbath breaking are not applicable outside a "legitimate theocracy". Did you really mean that laws against Sabbath breaking are not subject to punishment for violation outside a "legitimate theocracy"? It seems that this must be what you meant as I am quite sure from other posts of yours that you believe the Sabbath laws do indeed "apply" in the current world.

But, again, I see no specifically scriptural argument here for saying we should not receive the punishment for breaking the laws that you believe still apply. It appears you believe that people should not be punished for breaking that Sabbath and you buttress that claim by saying, although I find your wording a little unclear, that the punishments don't apply since we are not under a "legitimate theocracy". But why, Biblically, should a reader believe we are any less under a theocracy than was the case back in the time of Moses?

I hope to get back to this as a full response will be rather lengthy.
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Lev 18 simply lists certain laws and asserts that punishment will be forthcoming if such laws are not obeyed. But it most certainly does not follow logically that this list is exhaustive - you appear to be arguing thus:

- Lev 18 lists a set of laws (call that set "S") and warns of punishment for not obeying laws in S
- Therefore, laws that are not in S - like the Sabbath Laws - are not to be punished.

If this is your reasoning, it is highly suspect.

Expos4ever, are you now a Washington Nationals fan? What happened to you when the Expos moved to Washington in 2005? I remember very well the 1994 strike season when the Expos finished atop the Division, ahead of the team of the 90s, the Atlanta Braves. I am a big Braves fan and have been for years but I will never forget how the Expos won 20 of their last 23 games that season to surge past the Braves and claim the top spot in their division.

That fall a major university used real life stats from 1994 and ran a computer simulation for the rest of the 1994 season and the playoffs. Not only did the Expos win their division, they won it all.

EDIT: Here is a link I just looked up:

Would The Expos Have Won The 1994 World Series?

The 1994 baseball season ended with a players’ strike on Aug. 12, and with that, countless what-ifs were launched.

fivethirtyeight.com

https://vault.si.com/vault/1994/08/22/too-good-to-be-true-take-heart-baseball-fans-here-in-your-hour-of-need-is-the-thrilling-conclusion-to-the-94-season-you-wont-believe-what-happens

 

[Aaron112]

Why does the god (small 'g') of this world sometimes like to call the usa a theocracy ? (whenever it suits his deceptive purpose to mislead)

 

[Aaron112]

then presumably it will undercut my understanding.

You may have millions, maybe even billions in the world who agree with you.

Why should you change your understanding, even though the world is wrong ?

 

[BobRyan]

Why does the god (small 'g') of this world sometimes like to call the usa a theocracy ? (whenever it suits his deceptive purpose to mislead)

I seem to remember something about that - where do you see the idea that America is a theocracy, who promoted it?

 

[Aaron112]

I seem to remember something about that - where do you see the idea that America is a theocracy, who promoted it?

Before this week , no one I remember specifically, Just some vague memories from years ago of known and exposed already false teachers and false teachings.

 

[expos4ever]

Expos4ever, are you now a Washington Nationals fan? What happened to you when the Expos moved to Washington in 2005? I remember very well the 1994 strike season when the Expos finished atop the Division, ahead of the team of the 90s, the Atlanta Braves. I am a big Braves fan and have been for years but I will never forget how the Expos won 20 of their last 23 games that season to surge past the Braves and claim the top spot in their division.

That fall a major university used real life stats from 1994 and ran a computer simulation for the rest of the 1994 season and the playoffs. Not only did the Expos win their division, they won it all.

EDIT: Here is a link I just looked up:

Would The Expos Have Won The 1994 World Series?

The 1994 baseball season ended with a players’ strike on Aug. 12, and with that, countless what-ifs were launched.

fivethirtyeight.com

https://vault.si.com/vault/1994/08/22/too-good-to-be-true-take-heart-baseball-fans-here-in-your-hour-of-need-is-the-thrilling-conclusion-to-the-94-season-you-wont-believe-what-happens

Fan of the Nationals? Perish the thought! As my name implies, I am indeed a hardcore Expos fan. I spent many hours of my misdirected youth either at Jarry park or at the Olympic Stadium.

To me at least, it was galling in the extreme that the Nationals won the world series exactly 50 years into the franchise's existence.

Thanks for your interest.

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

I seem to remember something about that - where do you see the idea that America is a theocracy, who promoted it?

Here is some on Dominion Theology, which teaches that the USA is meant to be a Christian Theocracy:

https://www.salon.com/2006/05/12/goldberg_14/

The Rise of Dominionism

When Roy Moore, the Chief Justice of the Alabama State Supreme Court, installed a two-and-one-half-ton granite monument to the Ten Commandments in the Alabama state courthouse in Montgomery in June of 2001, he knew it was a deeply symbolic act. He was saying that God’s laws are the foundation of...

politicalresearch.org

 

[BobRyan]

Here is some on Dominion Theology, which teaches that the USA is meant to be a Christian Theocracy:

https://www.salon.com/2006/05/12/goldberg_14/

The Rise of Dominionism

When Roy Moore, the Chief Justice of the Alabama State Supreme Court, installed a two-and-one-half-ton granite monument to the Ten Commandments in the Alabama state courthouse in Montgomery in June of 2001, he knew it was a deeply symbolic act. He was saying that God’s laws are the foundation of...

politicalresearch.org

The idea that America was initially a "Christian nation" is not the problem. The problem is that it was never a theocracy and still is not a theocracy. But that does not mean the Ten Commandments should be banished from all public or government locations.

in fact the US Supreme Court has the TEN on the doors to the courtroom and above the Chief Justice's chair.

The Ten Commandments and the Supreme Court - The American Vision

When Pastor Todd DuBord of Lake Almanor Community Church in Northern California listened to the tour guide at the Supreme Court building describe the friezes, he was in shock. I’ll let him tell it: When she began to speak about the history and architecture of the four marble friezes, which...

americanvision.org

None of that makes the U.S. a Theocracy where God Himself comes down and dictates our laws and none of it gives us the right to put someone in jail for worshipping on Wednesday or Sunday or Saturday. Or for NOT worshipping on those days or for worshipping some god other than the God of the Bible.

 

[expos4ever]

I submit that the scriptures teach that Jesus has already been installed as Lord over all the nations. I am more than happy to present the scriptural evidence to support this position. A number of you obviously have certain ideas about what a "theocracy" is, but that is not, I think, the point. The point is that, scripturally at least, it is clear that Jesus now rules all the nations. They may well not recognize or accept this but if you take the text of the Bible seriously, I see no way to conclude that Jesus is not the legitimate "king" of all nations. Remember, there are some Americans who believe that Joe Biden is not the legitimate president right now but does that change the fact that he is?

I strongly suspect that some of you will argue about the dangers of dominionism and of theocracies. Again that is not the point! For me to assert what I believe to be the clear biblical truth that Jesus is Lord over all nations does not mean that I endorse in any way the particular behaviors of groups who have particular agendas on how to implement that.

But I think the facts are clear, at least biblically - Jesus is a legitimate sovereign over all nations right now.