Questions about origins of life timeline

[Kylie]

Around then?

When exactly are you talking about?

Around at the time of the most recent common ancestor between humans and flatworms.

Seriously, why comment if you aren't following the conversation. Geez...

 

[dad]

Right. So in your head, a worm gave birth to a human?

No. In the belief system of those who worship the lie of evolution without God humans exist because of repreoduction of ancestors. Now when they say a flatworm is man's oldest living ancestor, that does not mean they think a flatworm had a little human baby. Need we really explain your own religion to you here??

How many times do I have to say this before you actually start paying attention? The creatures we have today called flatworms were not around back then! Every species that was around then is now extinct! How are you not getting this?

There are still flatworms today actually, and are pretty much the same as then based on evidence of fossils.

Do you intentionally ignore me? The flatworms we see today had not evolved yet! No modern species at all existed back then! How can you not understand this?

Evolved? If the fossils are the same whats to evolve so much? Go ahead and compare the two--fossils and living flatworms and tell us this difference you speak of?

What, do you want the genetic code? Do you really think that a species that lived half a billion years ago is going to be exactly the same as the species we have now?

Why think, unless you have facts? Either you know the genetics of the creatures were different, or you don't. You claimed they were. Pony up.

So you admit you came from dust. Indirectly, yes, but you came from dust.

God created the dust, formed it and made it have life. That is coming from God. Just as science claims we came from stardust! Both beliefs involve dust! Satan is a little copy cat.

You know nothing about evolution,.

From your posts so far, there could be a dose of embarrassment coming your way soon. grow from it. We all have been there. (maybe not to that degree)

 

[PsychoSarah]

Those of us who have faith in Jesus would suggest that one should not make assumptions about the nature of His incarnate physiology without evidence. It is only highly probable, not certain, that He had normal male genitalia.

Why? What need would such a deity have for having definitive gender characteristics? And I mean god in general, seeing as Jesus was supposedly god in human form, it stands to reason that the physical Jesus would have gender, but that doesn't mean god itself has gender.

 

[Kylie]

No. In the belief system of those who worship the lie of evolution without God humans exist because of repreoduction of ancestors. Now when they say a flatworm is man's oldest living ancestor, that does not mean they think a flatworm had a little human baby. Need we really explain your own religion to you here??

No. We need you to demonstrate thatr actually have an understanding of it. We're sick of your strawmen.

But the claim is still wrong. No living creature today is humanity's ancestor. The ancestor lived half a billion years ago and is long since extinct. We have species that are similar, not identical. Also, Even if you claim "Species X is the oldest ancestor of humanity," what about the ancestor's of Species X? Are they not also even older ancestors of Humanity?

There are still flatworms today actually, and are pretty much the same as then based on evidence of fossils.

Similar. Not the same. They have to deal with a different environment and different predators. THat is going to cause some change.

Evolved? If the fossils are the same whats to evolve so much? Go ahead and compare the two--fossils and living flatworms and tell us this difference you speak of?

Changes on the genetic level, as I;ve explained.

Why think, unless you have facts? Either you know the genetics of the creatures were different, or you don't. You claimed they were. Pony up.

Yeah, you first. You spout your nonsense all the time and never provide facts to support it.

God created the dust, formed it and made it have life. That is coming from God. Just as science claims we came from stardust! Both beliefs involve dust! Satan is a little copy cat.

I thought you said science claimed we came from "Flatworm sex". Changing your tune here?

From your posts so far, there could be a dose of embarrassment coming your way soon. grow from it. We all have been there. (maybe not to that degree)

Be a small dose compared to what you've given to yourself.

 

[Aman777]

Why? What need would such a deity have for having definitive gender characteristics? And I mean god in general, seeing as Jesus was supposedly god in human form, it stands to reason that the physical Jesus would have gender, but that doesn't mean god itself has gender.

Dear PS, God is a Spirit, an invisible Spirit. Jhn 4:24 I view Him as the Spirit of Love. He exists physically ONLY in Jesus. Jesus was once a man, which means that God was once a man. Jesus said:

Jhn 14:7¶ If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him.

Jesus IS God of the Physical World.

Col 2:9 For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jesus IS LORD. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[TLK Valentine]

Dear PS, God is a Spirit, an invisible Spirit. Jhn 4:24 I view Him as the Spirit of Love. He exists physically ONLY in Jesus. Jesus was once a man, which means that God was once a man. Jesus said:

Jhn 14:7¶ If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him.

Jesus IS God of the Physical World.

Col 2:9 For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jesus IS LORD. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

So there's half the human race who are one step further removed from God's image.

Jesus is limited, therefore God is as well.

 

[dad]

Look, many of the most highly regarded and popular theories in science have been challenged and refuted in peer reviewed and published papers. Evolution isn't immune to this, should people find actual evidence to disprove evolution that would check out as not being a hoax or error, it would probably be the paper of the century.

It is. The thing is that science is a cult that only allows in certain knowledge and insists on working only with certain assumptions and beliefs, so they are unable to know. Evolution as creator of man and animals cannot be disproved by the priests of the religion.

 

[dad]

It wouldn't be to a man,

Nonsense. Men care about the family and God's natural order. Many of us do not like it if many women start acting more like child killing hookers, than faithful wives and mothers.

but how would you like a bad translation leading to society paying you less, viewing your opinions as lesser, etc.

Forget society. What does God want? Society is not following God, in case that is news. If you had a company with four pregnant women, who were going to be off work, say, 3 months each, and that would cost you in paid time off and etc...would you think they deserve the same as someone who stayed for years without that cost? If they did this every 2 or three years, it might mean financial insolvency. Perhaps the lower pay in some cases reflected the lower value of a part time employee? Also, in the past especially many jobs required stamina and strength. Would it have been fair to pay workers who could not do the job, the same wage as hard workers who did it? For example if someone operated a big jackhammer all day, and another job existed where all one had to do was wave a flag, or answer a phone..? Same pay by law? Now we can say a female cop can do as good a job, for example. But..really?

The only way we can have a society full of women working is if they defy nature and God! Some of course cannot have babies, and etc..not the issue here.

You aren't getting the bad end of the deal because the sexism favors your gender at the expense of mine. You benefit from the sexism, of course you wouldn't mind it.

Sin hurts us all. Little boys do not benefit by mom dumping them for career. God knew best.

But of course, it wouldn't matter if the bible was sexist if it didn't encourage people to support sexist views. Thankfully my generation is getting close to removing that.

Ha. In the very end, so many men will have died in wars, seven women will try to be with one man. Women are the weaker vessel. Not all vessels are supposed to be the same!

 

[dad]

Those of us who have faith in Jesus would suggest that one should not make assumptions about the nature of His incarnate physiology without evidence. It is only highly probable, not certain, that He had normal male genitalia.

?? He was tempted in every way we are. How could they be with no equipment?

 

[dad]

But the claim is still wrong. No living creature today is humanity's ancestor.

Flatworms still live today, I think is the point there. You doubt that?

The ancestor lived half a billion years ago and is long since extinct. We have species that are similar, not identical.

Proof?

Also, Even if you claim "Species X is the oldest ancestor of humanity," what about the ancestor's of Species X? Are they not also even older ancestors of Humanity?

Forget plunging into the depths of madness needless here. Keep it simple. Both you and Sarah have openly admitted here that you actually believe humans resulted from flatworms having sex!!! (various species leading up to man)

Similar. Not the same. They have to deal with a different environment and different predators. THat is going to cause some change.

Naturally the former state would have different demands.

Changes on the genetic level, as I;ve explained.

But can't show. How are the fossil flatworms different exactly genetically?

I thought you said science claimed we came from "Flatworm sex". Changing your tune here?

It does as do you! Because of that sex, something was born, that also had sex, and something else was born...on up to you! (you believe)

Disgusting. Gross.

 

[Aman777]

So there's half the human race who are one step further removed from God's image.

Jesus is limited, therefore God is as well.

Dear Valentine, What you say agrees with Scripture. God's Image is an invisible Spirit. This is something which Unbelievers know nothing about since they can never understand that which is Spiritual. 1Co 2:14 I cannot agree with you about Jesus since you mistakenly call Him limited. Repent or be lost. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[TLK Valentine]

Dear Valentine, What you say agrees with Scripture. God's Image is an invisible Spirit. This is something which Unbelievers know nothing about since they can never understand that which is Spiritual.

So how do you reconcile that with passages such as Genesis 32:30 or Exodus 33:11?

I cannot agree with you about Jesus since you mistakenly call Him limited.

Jesus is male, correct? If He's male, he cannot be female. That's a limitation.

Repent or be lost. God Bless you.

Passive-aggressive revenge fantasies =/= answers.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Nonsense. Men care about the family and God's natural order. Many of us do not like it if many women start acting more like child killing hookers, than faithful wives and mothers.



Forget society. What does God want? Society is not following God, in case that is news. If you had a company with four pregnant women, who were going to be off work, say, 3 months each, and that would cost you in paid time off and etc...would you think they deserve the same as someone who stayed for years without that cost? If they did this every 2 or three years, it might mean financial insolvency. Perhaps the lower pay in some cases reflected the lower value of a part time employee? Also, in the past especially many jobs required stamina and strength. Would it have been fair to pay workers who could not do the job, the same wage as hard workers who did it? For example if someone operated a big jackhammer all day, and another job existed where all one had to do was wave a flag, or answer a phone..? Same pay by law? Now we can say a female cop can do as good a job, for example. But..really?

The only way we can have a society full of women working is if they defy nature and God! Some of course cannot have babies, and etc..not the issue here.

Sin hurts us all. Little boys do not benefit by mom dumping them for career. God knew best.



Ha. In the very end, so many men will have died in wars, seven women will try to be with one man. Women are the weaker vessel. Not all vessels are supposed to be the same!

Come on, many jobs in which physical strength is not a factor, such as office jobs, still pay women less than men, sometimes to such an extent that should a women be manager, she might find out she is paid less than the people under her whom she manages. Physical ability matters less and less in jobs as time goes on, and while you might have some validity in women getting paid less if they physically can't do the work men can, in many jobs that doesn't apply. I am not asking for women to get extra pay or paid equally for different jobs or hours worked, that makes no sense, that's dumb.

Again, you assume that somehow women can't raise their kids and work, which is 100% incorrect, and women even worked the fields in biblical times, as well as tending to animals. That is work, god only said women had to care for children, but never said they couldn't do additional things in general.

People don't dump their kids for a career (typically, I am sure there are some awful people who do that but I doubt that the numbers are high). Thanks to the fact that machines help speed up chores, women don't have to dedicate their lives to child care all day every day, because the time it takes to properly care for a child has decreased. The kids don't lose when mommy works, not that you will ever believe that no matter what evidence I present to you.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Dear Valentine, What you say agrees with Scripture. God's Image is an invisible Spirit. This is something which Unbelievers know nothing about since they can never understand that which is Spiritual. 1Co 2:14 I cannot agree with you about Jesus since you mistakenly call Him limited. Repent or be lost. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

I can understand the basic idea that god in non Jesus form isn't physically on earth in any blatantly obvious way (can't see or detect it directly).

 

[Kylie]

Flatworms still live today, I think is the point there. You doubt that?

No, I do not doubt that.

Are they the same species of worms that lived half a billion years ago? No they are not. And that is the point I am making.

Proof?

Of the ancestor living half a billion years ago or that they are similar?

Forget plunging into the depths of madness needless here. Keep it simple. Both you and Sarah have openly admitted here that you actually believe humans resulted from flatworms having sex!!! (various species leading up to man)

I have never denied that Humans evolved from other species, have I? What's your point? That the idea of this is icky to you and therefore wrong?

Do you realise that reality has no obligation to make you happy? Science isn't determined by what you find pleasant or not.

Naturally the former state would have different demands.

Oh, don't derail this thread. You've got other threads to play with that idea, go over there with that toy, will you?

But can't show. How are the fossil flatworms different exactly genetically?

Show me where I can get the genome of a half billion year old worm and I'll show you. But since even you admit that the conditions back then were different, then there MUST have been some evolution!

It does as do you! Because of that sex, something was born, that also had sex, and something else was born...on up to you! (you believe)

lol. I have a daughter. Believe me when I say I am perfectly well aware of the fact that sex leads to birth. I've gone through it.

Disgusting. Gross.

Disgusting does not make something incorrect. If you think that reality has to suit your sensibilities and aesthetics, then I'd suggest you need to look at what arrogance is.

 

[dad]

Come on, many jobs in which physical strength is not a factor, such as office jobs, still pay women less than men, sometimes to such an extent that should a women be manager, she might find out she is paid less than the people under her whom she manages.

Again, in the past many or most women might have babies. That amounts to part time worker.

Physical ability matters less and less in jobs as time goes on, and while you might have some validity in women getting paid less if they physically can't do the work men can, in many jobs that doesn't apply. I am not asking for women to get extra pay or paid equally for different jobs or hours worked, that makes no sense, that's dumb.

Ha. All I am asking is that they stay at home barefoot and in the kitchen Seriously, though, the issue was that careers are not a friend of the family.

Again, you assume that somehow women can't raise their kids and work, which is 100% incorrect, and women even worked the fields in biblical times, as well as tending to animals.

Come on now. Get serious. What career did Moses' mom have? Eve? How about Samuel's mother? The thing is that moms need to put God and kids and man first! If dad and the kids insist you get out, well, fine. Don't dump them though to have a career other than what you are supposed to be doing if you were a mom and wife. That is my opinion.

That is work, god only said women had to care for children, but never said they couldn't do additional things in general.

How does one care for a baby and work 20 miles away at the same time? Let's be real.

People don't dump their kids for a career (typically, I am sure there are some awful people who do that but I doubt that the numbers are high).

I disagree.

Thanks to the fact that machines help speed up chores, women don't have to dedicate their lives to child care all day every day, because the time it takes to properly care for a child has decreased.

Kids are more than chores! This is news? Got a machine that takes them to the park, or hugs them to pieces when they get a little cut, or fall?

The kids don't lose when mommy works,

That depends if you think winning means having mom absent six days a week all day.

 

[dad]

No, I do not doubt that.

Are they the same species of worms that lived half a billion years ago? No they are not. And that is the point I am making.

Your point is that worm life span is not billions of years long? I'll have to give you that one!

Of the ancestor living half a billion years ago or that they are similar?

How different can a flatworm be!?

I have never denied that Humans evolved from other species, have I? What's your point? That the idea of this is icky to you and therefore wrong?

The point is that I got you to admit you think you really owe your very life to flatworm sex!

Show me where I can get the genome of a half billion year old worm and I'll show you.

Meanwhile, since you can't do not claim it was any way at all!

But since even you admit that the conditions back then were different, then there MUST have been some evolution!

As needed. What if a lot of evolving was not needed for flatworms? Either you know or not. Which is it?

lol. I have a daughter. Believe me when I say I am perfectly well aware of the fact that sex leads to birth. I've gone through it.

She is human? That would mean one kind gives birth to the same kind I think.

Disgusting does not make something incorrect.

I vote it does. Like Buckminster Fuller used to say..'When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty but when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong.'

 

[Kylie]

Your point is that worm life span is not billions of years long? I'll have to give you that one!

How typical that you don't read what I wrote. I said SPECIES. A SPECIES of worm will not last half a billion year either!

How different can a flatworm be!?

How many different kinds of pigeon are there? How many different kinds of monkey? How many different kinds of grass? So why do you think there's only ever been one kind of worm?

The point is that I got you to admit you think you really owe your very life to flatworm sex!

As I have said, they weren't the same species that we have today (a concept which appear to be beyond your comprehension). But do you have a point to make other than, "It's icky and therefore incorrect?" Or do you think reality has some obligation to make you happy?

Meanwhile, since you can't do not claim it was any way at all!

Oh, put a sock in it. You can't claim they were the same species, but that doesn't shut you up about it, does it?

As needed. What if a lot of evolving was not needed for flatworms? Either you know or not. Which is it?

evolution occurs without fail. Any change in the environment will produce some pressure which evolution will respond to. Unless you are saying that their environment is ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL to what there was half a billion years ago, your point fails. And the environment today is most certainly different.

She is human? That would mean one kind gives birth to the same kind I think.

Until you can actually define "kind", don't use it, because your claim is meaningless until you do.

Oh, and since my daughter is different to me, then she's not the same as me, is she? The differences between her and me may be tiny, but it's these tiny changes that add together over many generations to cause evolution.

Learn what you're talking about.

I vote it does. Like Buckminster Fuller used to say..'When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty but when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong.'

That is the stupidests argument I've ever heard. If you think it is icky, it must be wrong? Please. By that logic, people aren't murdered. Unless, of course, you think that murder is beautiful.

 

[dad]

How typical that you don't read what I wrote. I said SPECIES. A SPECIES of worm will not last half a billion year either!

How would we know all the sorts of flatworms that lived?

How many different kinds of pigeon are there? How many different kinds of monkey? How many different kinds of grass? So why do you think there's only ever been one kind of worm?

?? Crazy talk. Just because only so many types may be found in the fossil record does not mean that is all there were. Perhaps worms are not the best thing to expect to find fossilized?

As I have said, they weren't the same species that we have today (a concept which appear to be beyond your comprehension). But do you have a point to make other than, "It's icky and therefore incorrect?" Or do you think reality has some obligation to make you happy?

You confirmed that evolution believers really think they owe their lives to flatworm sex! What more could I ask for?

Chilling.

Oh, put a sock in it. You can't claim they were the same species, but that doesn't shut you up about it, does it?

One article I read mentioned they were the same basically. But if you have some evidence that whatever fossils we have are all very different than any flatworm alive today, do present it. Funny that flatworms still exist...those 'ancestors' that you think you came from!

evolution occurs without fail.

Creation was made like that. Doesn't help your belief system at all.

Any change in the environment will produce some pressure which evolution will respond to. Unless you are saying that their environment is ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL to what there was half a billion years ago, your point fails. And the environment today is most certainly different.

You forget your belief system uses purely imaginary time. Basically the flatworm fossils do not show some great difference now do they? Flatworms existed, and they still exist. You just believe real hard that some of the earlier ones that has sex resulted in you! Snap out of it woman.

Until you can actually define "kind", don't use it, because your claim is meaningless until you do.

Man is a kind. Not flatworms or apes, or eels. Not even bananas!

Oh, and since my daughter is different to me, then she's not the same as me, is she? The differences between her and me may be tiny, but it's these tiny changes that add together over many generations to cause evolution.

There have always been differences when a woman reproduced! You thought we were clones??

That is the stupidests argument I've ever heard. If you think it is icky, it must be wrong? Please.

If water smells bad, and there are dead things around it, it is a warning. God's creation is generally beautiful..stars, plants, ocean, animals, birds, mountains, etc.

Godless evolution is gross and ugly.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

You confirmed that evolution believers really think they owe their lives to flatworm sex! What more could I ask for?

What's wrong with flatworm sex?

Funny that flatworms still exist...those 'ancestors' that you think you came from!

Yes, and Europeans still exist, even though I'm now in America instead of Europe. Just as "funny".

Godless evolution is gross and ugly.

There is no Godless evolution. God USED evolution.