Questions about origins of life timeline

[PsychoSarah]

Ah, but they're not -- Man was made in the image of God, woman was made from man; Genesis 2:21-24

Nothing like a little Bible-based misogyny, is there?

Man is often used to refer to all people collectively. Such as in mankind, women are included.

 

[justlookinla]

Doesn't matter. Evolution from a common ancestor means that any such ancestors are in the line that produced whatever is common! That means those who believe in godless evolution accept that flatworms having sex (whether they were the oldest living common ancestor or not doesn't matter) is responsible for your existence!

Right, it doesn't matter. The peer review thingie usually comes up though when something is posted contrary to a Darwinist view. Thing is, that is an atheistic Darwinist view.

 

[TLK Valentine]

"Father" and "Son" aren't pronouns.

And Jesus taught us to pray, "Our Father, Who art in Heaven..."

I'm not going to call Him "Father" in my prayers, and an "It" in public.

Bottom line:

Jesus refereed to Him as "He." Is it therefore okay with you if we do the same?

If you need our approval that badly, go for it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Right, it doesn't matter. The peer review thingie usually comes up though when something is posted contrary to a Darwinist view. Thing is, that is an atheistic Darwinist view.

Not the fault of scientists that observed nature doesn't match up with your scripture, so when people test and fact check creationist papers they find critical flaws and won't publish them.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Man is often used to refer to all people collectively. Such as in mankind, women are included.

True, but I have heard that particular argument used in religious circles to justify their treatment of women.

 

[PsychoSarah]

True, but I have heard that particular argument used in religious circles to justify their treatment of women.

People misuse the bible all the time, I even wrote a paper about the many poor translations and interpretations which make out the bible to be more sexist than it actually is. Not that it isn't, it is, just not as much as most people end up thinking.

 

[dad]

Right, it doesn't matter. The peer review thingie usually comes up though when something is posted contrary to a Darwinist view. Thing is, that is an atheistic Darwinist view.

OK. I think you are saying that they are busted also.

 

[dad]

People misuse the bible all the time, I even wrote a paper about the many poor translations and interpretations which make out the bible to be more sexist than it actually is. Not that it isn't, it is, just not as much as most people end up thinking.

I have to ask the question, that if the bible is 'sexist' is that a bad thing? Of course not.

 

[PsychoSarah]

OK. I think you are saying that they are busted also.

Look, many of the most highly regarded and popular theories in science have been challenged and refuted in peer reviewed and published papers. Evolution isn't immune to this, should people find actual evidence to disprove evolution that would check out as not being a hoax or error, it would probably be the paper of the century.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I have to ask the question, that if the bible is 'sexist' is that a bad thing? Of course not.

It wouldn't be to a man, but how would you like a bad translation leading to society paying you less, viewing your opinions as lesser, etc. You aren't getting the bad end of the deal because the sexism favors your gender at the expense of mine. You benefit from the sexism, of course you wouldn't mind it.

But of course, it wouldn't matter if the bible was sexist if it didn't encourage people to support sexist views. Thankfully my generation is getting close to removing that.

 

[dad]

Which would be sensible, seeing as the sexist society of the time would have treated a "female Jesus" as a witch.

God made man the head of the home. Woman was made for man, not man for the woman. God has rules and guidelines for sexes, and we could think of a word to describe an anti God attitude toward sexes, such as the modern attitudes! Maybe a word or words that would illustrate how woman has been duped into thinking freedom was the absolute bondage of forsaking her real place in the world! A word that pointed out the error and hypocrisy of a woman thinking freedom was to be like a hooker, and kill her kids. Etc. People who toss around words like homophobia or sexist just tell us their position on God.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I have to ask the question, that if the bible is 'sexist' is that a bad thing? Of course not.

A new footnote for your paper, PsychoSarah.

 

[PsychoSarah]

God made man the head of the home. Woman was made for man, not man for the woman. God has rules and guidelines for sexes, and we could think of a word to describe an anti God attitude toward sexes, such as the modern attitudes! Maybe a word or words that would illustrate how woman has been duped into thinking freedom was the absolute bondage of forsaking her real place in the world! A word that pointed out the error and hypocrisy of a woman thinking freedom was to be like a hooker, and kill her kids. Etc. People who toss around words like homophobia or sexist just tell us their position on God.

you do realize that the countries which behave as you would like are mostly war torn and against democracy right? Seriously, if women having equal rights has the result of a growing middle class, less poverty, better schools and healthcare (women tend to invest in them more than men), and generally less conflict, I am going to go with the system which actually works to our benefit as a whole rather than the one which on the surface benefits one gender at the expense of the other but which overall just makes life worse for everyone.

 

[PsychoSarah]

A new footnote for your paper, PsychoSarah.

I already finished the paper.

 

[dad]

Look, many of the most highly regarded and popular theories in science have been challenged and refuted in peer reviewed and published papers.

The issue was with the science daily article. It claimed flatworms were the oldest living relative. You have a problem with that, or with accepting that you came about as a result of flatworm sex? You have to stand by your religion.

Evolution isn't immune to this, should people find actual evidence to disprove evolution that would check out as not being a hoax or error, it would probably be the paper of the century.

You can't even define evolution,, and want to pretend it can be refuted by evos!?


ALL evolving was from created creatures, so what's to disprove? You HAVE NO first lifeform to disprove! No Pond! No nothing at all anywhere!

 

[PsychoSarah]

The issue was with the science daily article. It claimed flatworms were the oldest living relative. You have a problem with that, or with accepting that you came about as a result of flatworm sex? You have to stand by your religion.


You can't even define evolution,, and want to pretend it can be refuted by evos!?


ALL evolving was from created creatures, so what's to disprove? You HAVE NO first lifeform to disprove! No Pond! No nothing at all anywhere!

Abiogenesis and evolution are two separate theories. You want your god eliminated from life theory, it would be abiogenesis, not evolution. I personally came about because of a birth control not working properly, but if I want to go back hundreds of millions of years, I guess very much removed we all are the result of flatworm sex. Obviously my mother isn't a flatworm, but grandma to the many millionth power great would be I suppose. Of course, you have to remember all the other ancestors in between too.

Also, I don't really have to stick to it because evolution isn't a religion, if it were disproven I wouldn't stand by it. It just so happens that no one has successfully done that.

Defining evolution is easy, just google it and see how many results you get.

 

[dad]

you do realize that the countries which behave as you would like are mostly war torn and against democracy right?

Meaningless. The US is a terrorist nation, using drones for example and torture. They say they have democracy, yet many claim they send agents to forment unrest and revolutions, that result in hundreds of thousands of deaths. They support radical christian killing muslim groups for example. Some say they often support both sides, to get a result. Democracy in a nation in advanced sin stages amounts literally to demonism. Demonocraty. You think I value that? I respected Putin a lot more than Obama, though he was less than maybe democratic..he supported a more godly outlook on sex, and family, and even peace!!

Seriously, if women having equal rights has the result of a growing middle class, less poverty, better schools and healthcare (women tend to invest in them more than men), and generally less conflict, I am going to go with the system which actually works to our benefit as a whole rather than the one which on the surface benefits one gender at the expense of the other but which overall just makes life worse for everyone.

There are no equal rights, that is a catch phrase that allows women to murder their babies, and forsake their rightful place in the world, and be promiscuous etc. You kidding?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Meaningless. The US is a terrorist nation, using drones for example and torture. They say they have democracy, yet many claim they send agents to forment unrest and revolutions, that result in hundreds of thousands of deaths. They support radical christian killing muslim groups for example. Some say they often support both sides, to get a result. Democracy in a nation in advanced sin stages amounts literally to demonism. Demonocraty. You think I value that? I respected Putin a lot more than Obama, though he was less than maybe democratic..he supported a more godly outlook on sex, and family, and even peace!!

There are no equal rights, that is a catch phrase that allows women to murder their babies, and forsake their rightful place in the world, and be promiscuous etc. You kidding?

You think men being in control prevents abortion? Tell that to the more than one hundred million "missing girls" who have been aborted in the most sexist and often religious countries by order of the husbands who want sons and not daughters. It got so bad that some countries have banned allowing people to learn the sex of their unborn children. Is that what you want, people disregarding the life of women from conception to death?

 

[dad]

Abiogenesis and evolution are two separate theories. You want your god eliminated from life theory, it would be abiogenesis, not evolution.

Yeah yeah yeah, yet I do not see you define it.

I personally came about because of a birth control not working properly, but if I want to go back hundreds of millions of years, I guess very much removed we all are the result of flatworm sex.

Lurkers...run for your lives from the religion of evolution. Look at what they really believe!!!! God help us all.

Obviously my mother isn't a flatworm, but grandma to the many millionth power great would be I suppose. Of course, you have to remember all the other ancestors in between too.

Right, lest we forget the rats and cockroaches and monkeys!

Also, I don't really have to stick to it because evolution isn't a religion, if it were disproven I wouldn't stand by it. It just so happens that no one has successfully done that.

How can one disprove what you can't define? You guys seem to point to some evolving, and want us to swallow that this means we came from flatworms etc!

Defining evolution is easy, just google it and see how many results you get.

In your word...so I can refute it tailored to what you think it is.


You were braver than KTS and others at least. You admitted the horrible gross truth of your belief system.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yeah yeah yeah, yet I do not see you define it.

Lurkers...run for your lives from the religion of evolution. Look at what they really believe!!!! God help us all.

Right, lest we forget the rats and cockroaches and monkeys!
How can one disprove what you can't define? You guys seem to point to some evolving, and want us to swallow that this means we came from flatworms etc!


In your word...so I can refute it tailored to what you think it is.

You were braver than KTS and others at least. You admitted the horrible gross truth of your belief system.

Well, sex in and of itself is kinda gross if you think about it and you know, sometimes the truth isn't pretty.

I did say very much removed, we are the result of flatworm sex. Go back farther though, and you realize every atom in our body was forged in a star, and that is pretty awesome if you ask me .

How I define evolution: evolution is the process by which species change and adapt to their environment across populations and generations, by which mutations introduce new traits and changes in existing traits, and those which serve to improve survival and reproduction (especially reproduction) become more prevalent thanks to improved reproductive success while those which are not become less prevalent. As the environment is always changing, species never become "perfectly suited to it", and evolution never ceases.

Do note that many traits are advantageous across multiple environments, thus are more long lasting and widespread than others. This is also why creatures such as sharks don't seem to have changed much compared to mammals, their environment never changed so drastically that most of the traits they had millions of years ago became obsolete, so the "naturally selected" traits remained essentially the same, although they have decreased in size (the sharks of today are minnows compared to those of the past).