Questions about origins of life timeline

[Armoured]

Dad,

Just out of curiosity, do you think the sun was a different color before the Split?

It's interesting that the Japanese depict the sun as red; and this kinda goes along with my belief that the garden of Eden was somewhere in [what is now] China.

Right. Because the Sun doesn't look different colours at different times of day anywhere else in the world or anything.

 

[dad]

Dad,

Just out of curiosity, do you think the sun was a different color before the Split?

Yes. Maybe. Why not!? I don't really know, of course. But if a different state existed then light well may have been different in many ways too. In the future we see a rainbow around the throne of God...but it has an emerald dominated hue! Not like now.

It's interesting that the Japanese depict the sun as red; and this kinda goes along with my belief that the garden of Eden was somewhere in [what is now] China.

Could be something to that. (red sun in the former state).

Even today, there are records of a star that was red, but it is not red today!



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#Red_controversy

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Impossible and foolish. All your powers of estimatiion are limited by our spacetime and laws! Puny.

You don't know that. You are possibly to limited in your knowledge of the evidence I have and the powers of deduction I have and therefore your opinion on this is possibly worthless. Since you cannot prove the contrary, I will continue to ignore your protests.

 

[dad]

You don't know that.

Science doesn't know any different!

Scripture does teach that this wold is temporary and unlike the world to come in many ways!

You are possibly to limited in your knowledge of the evidence I have and the powers of deduction I have and therefore your opinion on this is possibly worthless.

No, your deduction cannot exceed the facts!

Since you cannot prove the contrary, I will continue to ignore your protests.

Say it like you mean it

 

[Kylie]

Need it in big writing, woman? OK.


The Bible IS Evidence and science has nothing else for what time is and is not!

No it's not. There is no way to verify the claims the Bible makes.

And I've told you, don't refer to me as woman. If you continue to disrespect me, I'll report you, is that clear?

 

[Kylie]

I am not designed nor can breath in water. I am living outside of a water environment. But I can go into and out of that environment as I wish. Being out of it, I am not effected by that environment at all. Nor is the existence of the ocean, while being outside of it, effecting me in the least.

God does not have a body like ours. Perhaps you are assuming human aspects when discussing God being outside or not subject to time as we are? (Of course he can enter and be subject to time if he became one of us, in the form a man called Jesus.)

But you can not interact with the ocean environment without being affected by it. Likewise, if God wants to do anything with our universe, he has to be affected by it. He can't interact with it while being outside of time, just like you can't interact with the ocean if you are outside the ocean.

 

[Kylie]

It cannot be ignored. Your only recourse is to prove the state of the past you base all your models on.

I was about to say the same thing to you...

 

[Kylie]

So you admit that you resulted from flatworm sex that occurred prior to some future 'splits' in animals!

Wow!

Except, since they were PRIOR to the splits, they weren't flatworms yet, were they?

Seriously dad, how many times have I told you this, and you still keep saying it? I can only conclude that you are deliberately ignoring me!

 

[dad]

Except, since they were PRIOR to the splits, they weren't flatworms yet, were they?

We were looking at life afyer flatworm sex! Not before!

Don't pretend we are talking about some proposed fantasy first lifeforms. We are asking if you could have resulted from your claimed ancestor...the flatworm...!!? Cut the cognitive dissonance.

 

[Kylie]

We were looking at life afyer flatworm sex! Not before!

No Humans are the descendants of flatworms. I have never said that, I never will, and you need to learn how to pay attention to my posts and stop putting words in my mouth.

Don't pretend we are talking about some proposed fantasy first lifeforms. We are asking if you could have resulted from your claimed ancestor...the flatworm...!!? Cut the cognitive dissonance.

I NEVER claimed that we are descended from flatworms, and I challenge you to show otherwise.

 

[dad]

No Humans are the descendants of flatworms. I have never said that, I never will, and you need to learn how to pay attention to my posts and stop putting words in my mouth.



I NEVER claimed that we are descended from flatworms, and I challenge you to show otherwise.

Science claims they are ancestors. Correct? Does that mean that you could have resulted from ancestors or not!? Not directly, obviously, but over many (imaginary) steps of different animals evolving...that could have started with the flatworm? (forget the life before that, for now).

Could you have resulted from flatworm sex?

 

[Kylie]

I came from ancestors, yes. But those ancestors were not flatworms.

Seriously, how many times do I have to say this? They. Were. Not. Flatworms.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why speak of things beyond our comprehension? Do you know what time IS? Science doesn't. Now how would you reconcile the concept of time with 'always'?? Something that exists requires time, no? That means it must have had a start! God didn't.

You speak of god, which is often considered beyond comprehension.

 

[bhsmte]

You speak of god, which is often considered beyond comprehension.

Don't sell dad short, he can tell you a whole bunch about God. His favorite color, his favorite football team, etc..

 

[EternalDragon]

In any case, something being outside of such a pertinent property doesn't improve upon it at all.

Before creation there was no time to be outside of. God created time, therefore controls it and was not effected by it before or now. He is eternal. Always existing.

It is a hard concept to wrap your brain around.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Before creation there was no time to be outside of. God created time, therefore controls it and was not effected by it before or now. He is eternal. Always existing.

It is a hard concept to wrap your brain around.

Concepts that could never work can still be comprehensible.

 

[dad]

I came from ancestors, yes. But those ancestors were not flatworms.

Seriously, how many times do I have to say this? They. Were. Not. Flatworms.

Focus. Your supposed oldest living ancestor is a worm! If humans came from that relative, that means you came from flatworm sex. Yes, that ancestor!

 

[dad]

You speak of god, which is often considered beyond comprehension.

If He is beyond comprehension, then why subject Him to time?

 

[PsychoSarah]

If He is beyond comprehension, then why subject Him to time?

Why state it has gender?

 

[EternalDragon]

Why state it has gender?

Well, God did become one of us in the form of a male......