Questions about origins of life timeline

[PsychoSarah]

A being outside of time would not have any time to go back, let alone forth

This. I guess it might be hard to understand, but basically, to be outside of time is to be inert.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Need it in big writing, woman? OK.


The Bible IS Evidence and science has nothing else for what time is and is not!

Thank you for your faith based proclamation which we will ignore, as you have no evidence for it.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

This. I guess it might be hard to understand, but basically, to be outside of time is to be inert.

Logically. But it seems impossible for our finite minds to even figure out what it means to be in time. All our mathematics that describe moving things put time as another dimension, mathematically akin to space . . . sort of . . . and once we describe all things that way, where is the dynamic?

I speculate that the dynamic might be restorable in allowing for infinite numbers of alternate futures. The time dimension then, being expressed as infinite possibilities, regains some of the mystery we have been assigning to time itself.

Something works to give us a dynamic, and that's all my brain ever came up with.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Logically. But it seems impossible for our finite minds to even figure out what it means to be in time. All our mathematics that describe moving things put time as another dimension, mathematically akin to space . . . sort of . . . and once we describe all things that way, where is the dynamic?

I speculate that the dynamic might be restorable in allowing for infinite numbers of alternate futures. The time dimension then, being expressed as infinite possibilities, regains some of the mystery we have been assigning to time itself.

Something works to give us a dynamic, and that's all my brain ever came up with.

In any case, something being outside of such a pertinent property doesn't improve upon it at all.

 

[EternalDragon]

A being outside of time would not have any time to go back, let alone forth

I am not designed nor can breath in water. I am living outside of a water environment. But I can go into and out of that environment as I wish. Being out of it, I am not effected by that environment at all. Nor is the existence of the ocean, while being outside of it, effecting me in the least.

God does not have a body like ours. Perhaps you are assuming human aspects when discussing God being outside or not subject to time as we are? (Of course he can enter and be subject to time if he became one of us, in the form a man called Jesus.)

 

[PsychoSarah]

I am not designed nor can breath in water. I am living outside of a water environment. But I can go into and out of that environment as I wish. Being out of it, I am not effected by that environment at all. Nor is the existence of the ocean, while being outside of it, effecting me in the least.

God does not have a body like ours. Perhaps you are assuming human aspects when discussing God being outside or not subject to time as we are? (Of course he can enter and be subject to time if he became one of us, in the form a man called Jesus.)

Except you are actually affected by the ocean in many important ways. Weather, air currents, etc.

In addition, your ability to manipulate the ocean environment is limited, we can only hold our breath for so long, dive so deep.

 

[Armoured]

I am not designed

Finally![/thread]

 

[EternalDragon]

Finally![/thread]

Pfft.

 

[dad]

Thank you for your faith based proclamation which we will ignore, as you have no evidence for it.

It cannot be ignored. Your only recourse is to prove the state of the past you base all your models on.

 

[dad]

Prior to the splits.

So you admit that you resulted from flatworm sex that occurred prior to some future 'splits' in animals!

Wow!

 

[dad]

If god supposedly has always existed, why not time? Perhaps god's very existence generates time.

Why speak of things beyond our comprehension? Do you know what time IS? Science doesn't. Now how would you reconcile the concept of time with 'always'?? Something that exists requires time, no? That means it must have had a start! God didn't.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Something that exists requires time, no? That means it must have had a start! God didn't.

Ergo, God doesn't exist.

Thanks, dad!

 

[EternalDragon]

Ergo, God doesn't exist.

Thanks, dad!

The universe, you and I don't exist either because before the big bang created time, there was no time, or any other laws. Ergo, the universe doesn't exist!

Thanks, Valentine!

 

[TLK Valentine]

The universe, you and I don't exist either because before the big bang created time, there was no time, or any other laws. Ergo, the universe doesn't exist!

Thanks, Valentine!

Don't thank me; it was dad logic that negated everything.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

It cannot be ignored. Your only recourse is to prove the state of the past you base all your models on.

I have an alternate recourse. It is to estimate probabilities from the evidence and accept higher probability states on faith. This isn't absolute proof but it gives one something to live by, especially if the probabilities seem to be quite high.

 

[dad]

Ergo, God doesn't exist.

Thanks, dad!

False. Good does not need what was created to exist! Top that.

 

[dad]

The universe, you and I don't exist either because before the big bang created time, there was no time, or any other laws. Ergo, the universe doesn't exist!

Thanks, Valentine!

Good one.

 

[dad]

Don't thank me; it was dad logic that negated everything.

Not God. He is not negated by the world or place He created for us to live in.

The big bang cannot say the same. They have no God that created, so when they bust all laws and time, they are on their own!!!

Pathetic little theory.

 

[dad]

I have an alternate recourse. It is to estimate probabilities from the evidence and accept higher probability states on faith.

Impossible and foolish. All your powers of estimatiion are limited by our spacetime and laws! Puny.

 

[AV1611VET]

Impossible and foolish. All your powers of estimatiion are limited by our spacetime and laws! Puny.

Dad,

Just out of curiosity, do you think the sun was a different color before the Split?

It's interesting that the Japanese depict the sun as red; and this kinda goes along with my belief that the garden of Eden was somewhere in [what is now] China.