Questions about Cain...

[LewisWildermuth]

Want to find an upchuck aid? Try someplace like San Fran, or Vancouver.

What does this mean?????

 

[dad]

What does this mean?????

Some modern lifestyles are found by some to be more offensive than normal sex in an age when restrictions were less than the present.

 

[Split Rock]

Claiming men came from Granny is truly vile, and is a beastly philosophy that has resulted in hell on earth, and untold millions dead. (Example, communists, Stalin, etc). It has men related to insects!

This comment points to the very core of your argument with Evolution. You find it repulsive both because of your religious belief and because you don't like being related to insects. What does any of that have to do with whether evolution is correct? It doesn't. This is not about what we would want to be true, but what is true.

Let's look at WW II as an example. Using your logic (if we don't like something, it is incorrect) we could conclude that the various atrocities commited during the war did not happen, because we don't like what they say about our species. Therefore:
1. The rape of Nanking did not happen. Instead, the Japanese army gave flowers to the civilians and made reparations for any damage they did to the city.
2. The Holocaust did not happen. Instead, Hitler ordered that jews, gypsies, homosexuals and communists were to be treated equal to "Aryans."
3. The fire-bombing of Dresden did not happen. Instead, the Royal Airforce dropped confetti on the people of the city and bought some theatre tickets.
Let's rewrite the history books now, Dad.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Some modern lifestyles are found by some to be more offensive than normal sex in an age when restrictions were less than the present.

And this comment had what to do with me finding incest disgusting?

 

[dad]

And this comment had what to do with me finding incest disgusting?

Incest is disgusting. It wasn't then, it was normal, even commanded, because man needed to multiply. God din't find it disgusting then. Some things sexual He did find disgusting, as we all know, however.

 

[dad]

This comment points to the very core of your argument with Evolution. You find it repulsive both because of your religious belief and because you don't like being related to insects. What does any of that have to do with whether evolution is correct? It doesn't. This is not about what we would want to be true, but what is true.

Well, we already know that there is no evidence possible for evolution, but just interpretaion and belief, and no one can challenge that. That is no longer an issue! Noting some vile characteristics of the old age belief as a sidenote, is fair game!

Let's look at WW II as an example. Using your logic (if we don't like something, it is incorrect) we could conclude that the various atrocities commited during the war did not happen, because we don't like what they say about our species.

No, that is silly, because being related to animals and insects (in the evo mind) is simply the way it is for them! Me not liking it, or them loving it is not meant to be proof one way or the other.

Therefore:..

..Your point is moot!

Let's rewrite the history books now, Dad.

We will, I assure you.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Incest is disgusting. It wasn't then, it was normal, even commanded, because man needed to multiply. God din't find it disgusting then. Some things sexual He did find disgusting, as we all know, however.

Where exactly did God command that someone should boink relatives? Is there a verse or did you just make that up?



So your god chose to have brothers boinking sisters, which would lead to a rapid degradation of the "perfect" genetic code they once had because he could not think of any better way to do things? Why should I worship such a dumb god?



Also, since your god does not think boinking relatives is bad except for the genetic problems it may cause, is it okay to boink relatives if you cannot have children? Why or why not?

 

[Opethian]

Well, we already know that there is no evidence possible for evolution, but just interpretaion and belief, and no one can challenge that. That is no longer an issue! Noting some vile characteristics of the old age belief as a sidenote, is fair game!

Please stop making moronic claims like that. There is plenty of evidence for evolution, there are numerous threads in this part of the forum about that evidence, yet almost no creationists have come to try and present a rebuttal to them, and those that tried, made fools out of themselves showing their incredibly limited scientific knowledge, and got their arguments shattered immediately.
I'm guessing you do not have the knowledge and maybe not even the brain to try and to disprove this evidence, which we have plenty of. All you can do is make repeated statements like "There is no evidence!" that make no sense, and just ignore everything that doesn't fit with your (narrow) view on the world.

So either come prove us wrong in the evolution threads, or shut up and never write stupid things like that again...

 

[Dannager]

Calm down on the insults, O little man.

It wasn't an insult. You claimed you understand science. You don't. It was a statement of truth and is not up for debate, I'm afraid. The verdict has already been passed.

How do you know? Some books they don't really know who wrote. Solomon was thought to write some, he witnessed plenty. You are just evo hypothesizing baselessly here. Get a grip. God does count, like it or lump it.

Wait, you're saying someone may have actually witnessed the first few days of creation, before God created man? Because if not, who wrote the beginning of Genesis? It would have to be second-hand knowledge at best.

You know nothing about it, why even talk?

Didn't you just get finished criticizing me about saying you don't know anything about science? And now you're telling me I don't know anything about my own faith? What a hypocrite you are.

Espescially by evo atheists, when the testimony talks of evidences galore.

I'm not an atheist, dad.

Old age has no evidence at all in any way and is belief based! It is an alternative to sound doctrine, not sound itself in any way, except for making noise.

You know, if you keep saying it, it just might come true. Oh, wait, no it won't.

 

[Dannager]

Well, we already know that there is no evidence possible for evolution, but just interpretaion and belief, and no one can challenge that. That is no longer an issue! Noting some vile characteristics of the old age belief as a sidenote, is fair game!

Er...the only one claiming any of this is you, dad. Maybe in dad-world evolution has been disproven, but here in reality it's supported.

 

[Split Rock]

Well, we already know that there is no evidence possible for evolution, but just interpretaion and belief, and no one can challenge that. That is no longer an issue! Noting some vile characteristics of the old age belief as a sidenote, is fair game!

LOL! I love your sense of humor, Dad!

You mean to say that there is no possible evidence that will change your mind on evolution, because it is a closed mind. This is entirely my point.

No, that is silly, because being related to animals and insects (in the evo mind) is simply the way it is for them! Me not liking it, or them loving it is not meant to be proof one way or the other.

It is what the evidence points to, not what we want. You cannot understand this, because such thinking is beyond your comprehension. You filter everything through your YEC-rose colored glasses. Some of us try to understand the real world around us, instead of the world we want to believe in. The only reason I accept evolutionary theory, is because it explains the world of biology better than anything else does. Period. There is nothing appealing to me about being related to fruit flies, or to bunny rabbits. The only appealing thing is that is all fits in place so well.

..Your point is moot!

My point seems to be beyond you, Dad.

We will, I assure you.

And I can assure you that "we" will not let you.

 

[Phred]

Well, we already know that there is no evidence possible for evolution,

On one had you believe in a deity because nobody can prove it doesn't exist. Then you suggest that we can't prove evolution exists and now that's a negative connotation. Which is it going to be dad? Either no proof equals proof or no proof equals nonexistence.

 

[dad]

Where exactly did God command that someone should boink relatives? Is there a verse or did you just make that up?

Be fruitful and multiply, the first orders from the Boss! Without some relative boinking, Eve could not be the mother of all living!

So your god chose to have brothers boinking sisters, which would lead to a rapid degradation of the "perfect" genetic code they once had because he could not think of any better way to do things? Why should I worship such a dumb god?

How do you know it led to that? It was not the present then, thats why we call it the past. In the pre split different world of the time, relative boinking was not degrading as it now is. You guys really need to get over this hang up about trying to shove the present into the past!

Also, since your god does not think boinking relatives is bad except for the genetic problems it may cause, is it okay to boink relatives if you cannot have children? Why or why not?

No, it was and is, of course forbidden, absolutely. As to why not, I never really thought about it, I guess just because He, and man says so.

 

[Opethian]

No, it was and is, of course forbidden, absolutely. As to why not, I never really thought about it, I guess just because He, and man says so.

Just the type of answer I'd expect

 

[dad]

Please stop making moronic claims like that. There is plenty of evidence for evolution, there are numerous threads in this part of the forum about that evidence,

No, it's a fact, evolution is the moronic claim. There was no PO past upon which all is based that can be evidenced, case closed.

yet almost no creationists have come to try and present a rebuttal to them, and those that tried, made fools out of themselves showing their incredibly limited scientific knowledge, and got their arguments shattered immediately.

I just did, and have in many threads as well, it is certain, you have lost.

I'm guessing you do not have the knowledge and maybe not even the brain to try and to disprove this evidence, which we have plenty of.

Zero, only belief and assumption in a phantom physical only past they can't prove, or support.

All you can do is make repeated statements like "There is no evidence!" that make no sense, and just ignore everything that doesn't fit with your (narrow) view on the world.

Take an example then. Fossil record. It speaks of a migration from Eden. No evolution, except in your mind, and interpretation of the same evidence. No evidence, just the same evidence I have interpreted as you please with your PO past beliefs.

So either come prove us wrong in the evolution threads, or shut up and never write stupid things like that again...

Get used to it, you are kaputzi

 

[dad]

It wasn't an insult. You claimed you understand science. You don't. It was a statement of truth and is not up for debate, I'm afraid. The verdict has already been passed.

I said I understand enough to know it is limited. It is, I do.

Wait, you're saying someone may have actually witnessed the first few days of creation, before God created man?

Yes. Of course, haven't you heard?

Because if not, who wrote the beginning of Genesis? It would have to be second-hand knowledge at best.

No, the piping in of existing records through a human tool, who had his own mind temporarily over ruled, and used to get the message through.

Didn't you just get finished criticizing me about saying you don't know anything about science? And now you're telling me I don't know anything about my own faith? What a hypocrite you are.

If you mean your faith is the bible, then you might know something about it. If you refer to your old age PO past faith, you know nothing. Be clear, not insulting.

I'm not an atheist, dad.

Good for you.

You know, if you keep saying it, it just might come true. Oh, wait, no it won't.

Repetition does not make things true. If something is false, make a clear point, don't be childish, and insulting, and empty of ideas.

 

[dad]

Er...the only one claiming any of this is you, dad. Maybe in dad-world evolution has been disproven, but here in reality it's supported.

No, not any further than a little present evolution, not at all!

 

[dad]

LOL! I love your sense of humor, Dad!

You mean to say that there is no possible evidence that will change your mind on evolution, because it is a closed mind. This is entirely my point.

No, that is not what I mean at all. I mean no evidence, even a speck can be put on the table, it is ALL just belief, and interpretation of evidence. Not your evidence, my evidence as well, the evidence.

It is what the evidence points to, not what we want.

Only by a belief colored veiwing of it do you think it points anywhere. It points somewhere else. With no supportable physical only past, you have no case.

You cannot understand this, because such thinking is beyond your comprehension. You filter everything through your YEC-rose colored glasses.

I look at evidence as you do, trying to interpret it.

Some of us try to understand the real world around us, instead of the world we want to believe in.

Me.

The only reason I accept evolutionary theory, is because it explains the world of biology better than anything else does. Period.

Present world, maybe somewhat, but so what?

There is nothing appealing to me about being related to fruit flies, or to bunny rabbits. The only appealing thing is that is all fits in place so well.

No, no relation at all fits in place save in your head. A little adapting or evolution says nothing about original creation.

My point seems to be beyond you, Dad.

No, you just haven't realized it yet, it's beyond you.

And I can assure you that "we" will not let you.

If you are alive at the time, you will have no choice. It is written in the stars.

 

[dad]

On one had you believe in a deity because nobody can prove it doesn't exist.

No, I don't believe in God because of your weak science, don't flatter yourself.

Then you suggest that we can't prove evolution exists and now that's a negative connotation.

Yes, people who steal children's faith opportunities and replace it with bogus claims that can't be proved of some Granny they claim really did it do a negative thing.

Which is it going to be dad? Either no proof equals proof or no proof equals nonexistence.

Your beliefs have no proof, and must be treated as such quickly, instead of the science they were trying to hide under.

 

[Dannager]

No, the piping in of existing records through a human tool, who had his own mind temporarily over ruled, and used to get the message through.

Do you have any evidence (beyond the Bible, which is, of course, not acceptable in this instance since it was written by the subject) that the subject's mind was overruled?