Questions about Cain...

[funyun]

The record I read that had Cain in it was the bible. That is the record, the document, the history of the universe we have.

How do you know it is a historical document? By this point, I doubt the idea of a circular argument registers, but I feel an obligation as a human being to again point it out.

 

[funyun]

If what you say is true, that would mean there could be hundreds of thousands of people in the world, maybe a lot more even.

Almost enough that there could have been witnesses. Why didn't they lynch Cain?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Clearly the Bible implies that there are other people. It just kind of neglects to mention where they came from. Which day were these others made on?

I would assume the sixth day.

I interprete the day as being a literal day, but this day is not a day as we have today. I believe that many "ages" are encompassed in a day in Genesis.

 

[Morallyangelic]

Does it say anywhere in the Bible how long A&E were kicked out of the garden before Cain was born? Or how old Cain and Abel were when Cain killed Abel?

Does the Bible even say that Cain and/or Abel ( can't remember who is older ) was the firstborn child of A&E?

Wow, I need to brush up on my Genesis.

 

[dad]

But I thought it was impossible to know what the physical universe was like in the past! Your position dances around more than Greenland.

No, it is impossible for you to know using pitiful science, or me using the same, for that matter. It is easy to know a great deal about it with the documentary evidence He provided!

 

[dad]

How do you know it is a historical document? By this point, I doubt the idea of a circular argument registers, but I feel an obligation as a human being to again point it out.

Because it covers all man's history right from day 1, how much more historical can you get?

 

[HypnoToad]

Almost enough that there could have been witnesses. Why didn't they lynch Cain?

Your question is based on blind guessing (there "could" have been enough people that there "could" have been witnesses). "Could" isn't really evidence of anything.

 

[dad]

Almost enough that there could have been witnesses. Why didn't they lynch Cain?

Ah, sounds like they would have, that is why God had to put a special mark on the man, so men would fear to kill the son of a #@*! The 'mark of cain'. My humble opinion on that is maybe it was making Cain Hyper adapt into a little wee man, like Flores man.

 

[funyun]

No, it is impossible for you to know using pitiful science, or me using the same, for that matter. It is easy to know a great deal about it with the documentary evidence He provided!

Once again, how do you know it's historical?

Because it covers all man's history right from day 1, how much more historical can you get?

It's not the only book that does that. Several mythologies do as well. How do you know which is correct and which isn't?

Your question is based on blind guessing (there "could" have been enough people that there "could" have been witnesses). "Could" isn't really evidence of anything.

I'm pretty sure I was being sarcastic with that post, but since you obviously know better than me, you decide.

 

[dad]

Once again, how do you know it's historical?

It's one of the oldest books in the world, that's pretty historical right there. It talks of our history, thats pretty historical. What more do you want?

It's not the only book that does that. Several mythologies do as well. How do you know which is correct and which isn't?

How many really map it out like the bible? Don't forget your own mythology, it tries to do the same. There are things found that support the bible. They used to say that Daniel must have been written after it was, because it named the next kingdoms coming, even one king by name, and the year of Messiah coming, and all kinds of amazing things. Then they found it compared with some texts found, that dated it as old after all. The city of Ur where Abraham was was said to be a myth, till they found evidence of it. All kinds of things proove it is historical. There are whole sites devoted to that sort of thing.

 

[dad]

Does it say anywhere in the Bible how long A&E were kicked out of the garden before Cain was born?

No.

Or how old Cain and Abel were when Cain killed Abel?

Don't think so. No.

Does the Bible even say that Cain and/or Abel ( can't remember who is older ) was the firstborn child of A&E?

Yes, I think so.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

well, then you lose, because cain and abel weren't born until AFTER the boot

 

[dad]

well, then you lose, because cain and abel weren't born until AFTER the boot

So what? I know that. But think of the gals that may have been born in eden, and in the time from the fall, till the curse of Cain. Plenty of girls to go round. And round.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

So what? I know that. But think of the gals that may have been born in eden, and in the time from the fall, till the curse of Cain. Plenty of girls to go round. And round.

One big orgy of incest in the Garden I guess. Funny that the Bible never mentions that or that Adam and Eve and dozens of kids and grandkids were thrown out of the Garden. Was Adam mating with his daughters as well as with Eve? Was Eve mating with the unmentioned sons? Or was it just brothers and sisters getting it on? What was going on in dad's bizarro fantasy garden? Once again we see additions to Bible as required to attempt to match the myth.

4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.



4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.


Cain doesn't say "My brothers and sisters and their kids will try to kill me." He says everyone. Further it is pretty clear that Cain and Abel are the first male children so who was living in the land of Nod?

This really belongs in appologetics. Now if you want to discuss how all the varied genetics in the human race could have arisen from two individuals with only 4 allels for each gene in 6,000 years that is part of the science that shows the story of Adam and Eve to be a myth.

F.B.

 

[dad]

One big orgy of incest in the Garden I guess.

No, incest wasn't invented yet, that is just something as a result of the split, and further imperfections in man.

Funny that the Bible never mentions that or that Adam and Eve and dozens of kids and grandkids were thrown out of the Garden.

Funny it never mentions the women born, I suppose, but it used the eldest males, generally for such a record for some reason. This leaves infinite room to play with.

Was Adam mating with his daughters as well as with Eve?

How would I know? I don't see why some of that stuff may not havegone on. Why do you think He only made two to start? Thats all He needed.

Was Eve mating with the unmentioned sons? Or was it just brothers and sisters getting it on? What was going on in dad's bizarro fantasy garden?

You make the same mistake you always make in every area of study here! You assume the present as a basis for a different time.

Once again we see additions to Bible as required to attempt to match the myth.

No, He said 'go to it like rabbits, and do it all you can'. There was no limitations as we now have, and need to have then. It was paradise.

4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.


Cain doesn't say "My brothers and sisters and their kids will try to kill me." He says everyone.

Of course, thats understood- cousins, father, nephews, nieces, grandkids, etc.

Further it is pretty clear that Cain and Abel are the first male children so who was living in the land of Nod?

First ones born to Eve maybe. I don't think we really know that?

Now if you want to discuss how all the varied genetics in the human race could have arisen from two individuals with only 4 allels for each gene in 6,000 years that is part of the science that shows the story of Adam and Eve to be a myth.

No that is the PO part that does not apply. Maybe you should find some religious are where they believe as you that is all there ever was or will be. Here we discuss the facts! How many allels did Adam and Eve have? How do you know? Ha.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

No, incest wasn't invented yet, that is just something as a result of the split, and further imperfections in man.

One part of the myth is here used to justify another. Circular reasoning supreme.

Funny it never mentions the women born, I suppose, but it used the eldest males, generally for such a record for some reason. This leaves infinite room to play with.

It doesn't mention women as often as men because it is the origin myth of patriarchical society.

How would I know? I don't see why some of that stuff may not havegone on. Why do you think He only made two to start? Thats all He needed.


You make the same mistake you always make in every area of study here! You assume the present as a basis for a different time.

No, I assume your fantasy world is just that, a fantasy world.

No, He said 'go to it like rabbits, and do it all you can'. There was no limitations as we now have, and need to have then. It was paradise.

That was in the Genesis 1 version of the myth. The Genesis 2 and 3 version with the garden is different.

Of course, thats understood- cousins, father, nephews, nieces, grandkids, etc.

First ones born to Eve maybe. I don't think we really know that?

What we know is that is is an ancient Hebrew myth.

No that is the PO part that does not apply. Maybe you should find some religious are where they believe as you that is all there ever was or will be. Here we discuss the facts!

Another irony meter blown to shreds. Dad the master of ad hoc irrationalizations and making up nonsense as he goes along talking about facts.

How many allels did Adam and Eve have? How do you know? Ha.

So maybe humans had twenty allels per gene before the "split". Right. Once again we see that dad lives in a fantasy world of his own making with only one inhabitant, dad the absurd.

F.B.

 

[dad]

One part of the myth is here used to justify another. Circular reasoning supreme.

The circular reasoning is your myth calling other beliefs myths. Some of us have two legs, so to speak, and not just your PO leg. With the bible, we even have the spiritual and the physical. Stop trying to handicap everyone else.

It doesn't mention women as often as men because it is the origin myth of patriarchical society.

No, it's the bible. When men were men, and not PO wimps.

No, I assume your fantasy world is just that, a fantasy world.

You assume nothing else but your fantasy world, you mean.

That was in the Genesis 1 version of the myth. The Genesis 2 and 3 version with the garden is different.

No, they are not. 1 is the sequence, 2 is a review of a fait complet, fleshing out certain points.

What we know is that is is an ancient Hebrew myth.

What we know is you like to say myth a lot, and are reality challenged, presumpuous, and fact handicapped.

Another irony meter blown to shreds. Dad the master of ad hoc irrationalizations and making up nonsense as he goes along talking about facts.

They are something seldom recognized by you, though you stumble over one. You first have to inspect the fact, and see if it fits your dreamland as to whether or not it exists, and exists as a fact, or is someone else's myth.

So maybe humans had twenty allels per gene before the "split". Right.

Do you have any facts to back up your allel allegations?

Once again we see that dad lives in a fantasy world of his own making with only one inhabitant, dad the absurd.

You're the one who just dreamed up 20 allels, now it's my fault?

 

[HypnoToad]

I'm pretty sure I was being sarcastic with that post, but since you obviously know better than me, you decide.

There is nothing in your post that would indicate to someone else a tone of sarcasm. Your ridicule is quite uncalled for. A simple "I was sarcastic" would have sufficed.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

[Frumious Bandersnatch] One part of the myth is here used to justify another. Circular reasoning supreme.

The circular reasoning is your myth calling other beliefs myths. Some of us have two legs, so to speak, and not just your PO leg. With the bible, we even have the spiritual and the physical. Stop trying to handicap everyone else.

No, it's the bible. When men were men, and not PO wimps.

You assume nothing else but your fantasy world, you mean.

No, they are not. 1 is the sequence, 2 is a review of a fait complet, fleshing out certain points.


What we know is you like to say myth a lot, and are reality challenged, presumpuous, and fact handicapped.



They are something seldom recognized by you, though you stumble over one. You first have to inspect the fact, and see if it fits your dreamland as to whether or not it exists, and exists as a fact, or is someone else's myth.




Do you have any facts to back up your allel allegations?

You're the one who just dreamed up 20 allels, now it's my fault?

Humans have two allels of each gene so Adam and Eve would have had 4 between them unless Eve was a clone of Adam having supposedly been made from his rib in one version of the Genesis myth. I just popped in a number because I knew that you would make up whatever number you thought you need to make your myth work out. I think that everyone can see that you just make up whatever fantasy you need as you go along in order to try to justify your adherence to an ancient Hebrew myth that has long been refuted by modern science. The justifications only exist in your mind and nowhere else. (Unless you really are parodying YEC to make it look as stupid as possible as some suspect, in which case you are doing a great job.)
F.B.

 

[HypnoToad]

Cain doesn't say "My brothers and sisters and their kids will try to kill me." He says everyone.

If everyone WAS his brothers and sisters, why would he have to specify that?

Further it is pretty clear that Cain and Abel are the first male children so who was living in the land of Nod?

Where does it say there was already people there?