Questioning of Islam

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Originally Posted by Bushmaster
Text is mentioning obvious educational differences, that is a fact, is that insulting to you that we consider most arabic countries "third world" countries, industrially underdeveloped, human rights questionable at best, no religious tolerance, you take these as insults?
are you contradicts with yourself ?
you said in original thread 'difference between Muslims and non-Muslims. '
and now you claim that you spoke about arabic countries .
you even don't know what you write !!!

No, I’m not contradicting myself. If Arabic countries were largely formed of non-muslims then your deliberate twist to change the topic would be on the ball. The reason Arabic countries are dragging behind standards of the highly developed and civilized West is the minds of muslims stuck at 7th century Islam. I know very well what I write, don’t insult people’s intelligence.

Originally Posted by Bushmaster
I didn't ignore your questions, I ignored you. You have demonstrated to me that you tend to lead the topics to a direction you want by simply ignoring theological responses to you, when answered, you pretend you didn't hear and babble a few words about how you thought you were right anyway, further you do not have any idea how Christians exegete religious texts, and you insist you should apply Quranic understanding to Christian Scriptures. If you ignore responses given to you, with what face do you demand responses from me?
for third time you can't answer very simple question ?
do you know why i asked you this question ?
because i think you are a lair , and trying to fool people around in this forum.

Ok, let us play your game, you and me. Ask questions and I will answer. One question at a time, and NO, I will not hear your take on it. You are not proficient of biblical exegesis, let alone reading Scriptures in their context. I will demonstrate you where Islam’s theology fell short compared to Christ’s atoning work on the Cross. Rules are, you will not ask more than one question at a time, you will not ask a vague question, it will be specific to the point, you will not suppose what Bible may have meant, when I respond you will listen and respond to my answer, not to an irrelevant topic. If you are game, come on, let me teach you a lesson.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Okay, Bushmaster, thank you.

 

[elwill]

Ok, let us play your game, you and me. Ask questions and I will answer. One question at a time, and NO, I will not hear your take on it. You are not proficient of biblical exegesis, let alone reading Scriptures in their context. I will demonstrate you where Islam’s theology fell short compared to Christ’s atoning work on the Cross. Rules are, you will not ask more than one question at a time, you will not ask a vague question, it will be specific to the point, you will not suppose what Bible may have meant, when I respond you will listen and respond to my answer, not to an irrelevant topic. If you are game, come on, let me teach you a lesson.

you was muslim by born , is it right ?
what is the reasons which made you leave your family's relegion and convert to christianity , why christianity ?

 

[LibertyChic]

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[LibertyChic]

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[HumbleSiPilot77]

you was muslim by born , is it right ?

Yes, I was born and raised in a muslim family and community, although my education was secular.

what is the reasons which made you leave your family's relegion and convert to christianity

The answer to this question could be very long, sometimes it could be people's life stories so one question at a time, and be specific.

why christianity ?

I read the Bible first when I was 24, it was similar to Quran in some stories and my girlfriend was a Christian. But she was not the one who asked me to read the Bible.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

one question at a time, and be specific.

When you were a Muslim did you believe the Qur'an was God's Word?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

When you were a Muslim did you believe the Qur'an was God's Word?

Absolutely, and there was no questioning of it. That is probably one of the reasons that I still believe there is a supernatural element (not of directly God's) in Quran's revelation despite the fact that some historians argue it was all Muhammad and Co.

 

[elwill]

Yes, I was born and raised in a muslim family and community, although my education was secular.

so you raise in muslim community then apostated , why you still alive if muslims kills anyone apostate from islam

The answer to this question could be very long, sometimes it could be people's life stories so one question at a time, and be specific.

are you wanna to say that you left the islam because of people's life stories you heared about ?!

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

so you raise in muslim community then apostated , why you still alive if muslims kills anyone apostate from islam

Couple things to debunk that theory. I do not live in my birth country, I didn't convert in my birth country. People still get beaten and alienated in their communities even though it is a country claims to be secular. Lastly, this question has nothing to do with my conversion, stay on topic.

are you wanna to say that you left the islam because of people's life stories you heared about ?!

No, could you read it carefully please? I said, a general question like that has answers that go up pages and pages, people have such stories. Others' stories only inspire me, they didn't play a role in my conversion, I did my research and my reading myself, I converted, noone else converted me.

 

[elwill]

Couple things to debunk that theory. I do not live in my birth country, I didn't convert in my birth country. People still get beaten and alienated in their communities even though it is a country claims to be secular. Lastly, this question has nothing to do with my conversion, stay on topic.

sorry , i just thought for a while that you raised in muslim soceity from these words .

Yes, I was born and raised in a muslim family and community, although my education was secular.

anyway i will trying to stay in the topic

No, could you read it carefully please? I said, a general question like that has answers that go up pages and pages, people have such stories. Others' stories only inspire me, they didn't play a role in my conversion, I did my research and my reading myself, I converted, noone else converted me.

so , you havn't specific or clear reasons for make a big step like converting to another relegion or just for think about it ?

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Absolutely, and there was no questioning of it.

When you first began studying Christianity did you believe that if Christian doctrine disagreed with Muslim doctrine God wanted you to agree with Muslim doctrine? In other words, did you stand firm on (what you believed to be) God's Word, the Holy Qur'an?

 

[xameni]

Is this thread OT or what? What does it matter to you who is Bushmaster in relation to the topic? lol.....

Hey "I am sceptical" if you are speptical what makes you think that people who convert from Islam have to be fervent believers of Islam? They can be both religious and believers and also non-believers... for it says that the spirit blows wherever it wants.... You cannot determine where the seed of Christian faith will land.

 

[Meshavrischika]

Well, I am sure you understand why, though, they paint a peaceful attitude while their fellows over in the east are completely opposite. There is only peace in Islam if you obey it. The attitude America stands with today against Muslims <staff edit> can not be considered "persecution" but criticism, maybe at a harsh level... Persecution would be when we deny them religious freedom, burn their worship places down and start executing them for believing what they believe, that is persecution and it is happening right now, in countries like Indonesia towards Christians.




Hmmm, how is Bahaism involved here?

Persecuted in society in general, not governmentally. How many hate crimes do you think we had before 9/11 against muslims... compared to now? Denial of services... etc. Exclusion is persecution in my book as well.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Hey "I am sceptical" if you are speptical what makes you think that people who convert from Islam have to be fervent believers of Islam? They can be both religious and believers and also non-believers... for it says that the spirit blows wherever it wants.... You cannot determine where the seed of Christian faith will land.

My name means that I am sceptical of Christian claims that the religion I belong to is false.

Yes, people who are not fervent believers can convert. But I'm curious as to why someone who IS a fervent believer would take a step backwards, such as a strongly committed Christian converting to Judaism. That is because Christians seem to think I am eager to abandon my religion when all of the evidence I have found shows that it is God-given truth.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

sorry , i just thought for a while that you raised in muslim soceity from these words .

I was raised in a muslim society, I just didn't leave islam while in a muslim society.

anyway i will trying to stay in the topic

Thanks...

so , you havn't specific or clear reasons for make a big step like converting to another relegion or just for think about it ?

I am not sure what you mean here, but I said already that I have done my readings and praying about it and I was convinced that Christianity stood over against the claims of Islam, this is a specific and clear reason.

When you first began studying Christianity did you believe that if Christian doctrine disagreed with Muslim doctrine God wanted you to agree with Muslim doctrine? In other words, did you stand firm on (what you believed to be) God's Word, the Holy Qur'an?

In a way yes, I tend to revert back, mostly out of morbid fear, fear of Allah's wrath. There was a lot of confusion because most Christians are not out there knowing everything about Islam and answering apologetics type of questions. So reading and using some common sense on top of it helped a lot. I believed it was the word of Allah but more I prayed and read the Bible that belief weakened and vanished. I considered why I was always taught to believe that previous scriptures were corrupted but this was not.

Is this thread OT or what? What does it matter to you who is Bushmaster in relation to the topic? lol.....

Elwill wanted to know how and why I converted to Christianity from Islam...

Persecuted in society in general, not governmentally. How many hate crimes do you think we had before 9/11 against muslims... compared to now? Denial of services... etc. Exclusion is persecution in my book as well.

Do you remember seeing Denzel's "The Siege"? Your comment made me think of that. Where I was born, Christians are being treated the same way, but legal system over there is too weak to protect them. Look, muslims are having it way too easy in the US compared to persecution they commit. It is a sad reality. We are cautious about them in the West because we have historical lessons. In my opinion...

My name means that I am sceptical of Christian claims that the religion I belong to is false.

Don't pay attention to fire and brimstone preachers. Be strong in your faith, as I was and let God handle the rest. Even if there is only one way and that is Christ, that doesn't mean you are left out.

 

[elwill]

Is this thread OT or what? What does it matter to you who is Bushmaster in relation to the topic? lol.....

Hey "I am sceptical" if you are speptical what makes you think that people who convert from Islam have to be fervent believers of Islam? They can be both religious and believers and also non-believers... for it says that the spirit blows wherever it wants.... You cannot determine where the seed of Christian faith will land.

so , what is my fault if this spirit didn't come to me .
what will be my fault for going to eternal hell if i didn't believe in divinty of jesus (pbuh)?

 

[elwill]

I am not sure what you mean here, but I said already that I have done my readings and praying about it and I was convinced that Christianity stood over against the claims of Islam, this is a specific and clear reason.

off course it's very clear reason , how i didn't get it in the first time

so , if anyone asked you why are you converted ? you will tell him , trust me i did my reading and my researchs , oh its a long story i will tell you later!

you disappointed me , Bushmaster
i was hope you can guide me to the facts i don't know about islam , i search about the truth as you.

whatever , if you remembered any reasons , be my guest , i will listenning carefully with open mind , take my promise

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

what will be my fault for going to eternal hell if i didn't believe in divinty of jesus (pbuh)?

Could you show me from the Bible where it says you will go to hell if you didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

off course it's very clear reason , how i didn't get it in the first time

It seems you are not interested anyway.

so , if anyone asked you why are you converted ? you will tell him , trust me i did my reading and my researchs , oh its a long story i will tell you later!

Anyone who can read English can immediately see that this is not what I conveyed, but you choose to give it a different twist and blame me for something I didn't even entertain, it is quite dishonest. I asked you that I would be answering specific questions but you don't seem to understand. Do you see me telling I_are_sceptical that it is a long story? No he asks proper questions where I answer. You don't and then demand answers in a context of your wish anyway, when I strictly mentioned that I will only answer questions in a specific way.

you disappointed me , Bushmaster
i was hope you can guide me to the facts i don't know about islam , i search about the truth as you.

whatever , if you remembered any reasons , be my guest , i will listenning carefully with open mind , take my promise

Don't you patronize me, your sympathy is not needed, just follow the rules of discussions that are set before you. If I am not leading you to certain outcome you wish in your questioning this is not my fault....