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[juvenissun]

The trinity is not a concept within original christianity (and it doesn't exist in the prior judaism at all).

It is all because of the doctrine: Jesus is a full man, AND is also a full God.
If anyone denied this illogical fact, then he is NOT a Christian.

Humans are reasonable. So, Jews and Muslims fiercely deny the above. And it is a laugh-stock to all other religions and atheists.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Too complicated.
The simple form of Trinity is what we are looking at.

And yes, the thunder god is male and the lightning god(dess) is a female. Too many gods could also be confusing. So, very very logically, there are classifications of them. For example, a grass god are in charge of many different type of grasses. Hey, it is not only logical, but is also very scientific.

You can praise or even worship what energy or force or spirit or natural thing or celestial body you want as long as you understand that all of those lesser things are of the one creative force or creator GOD.

Just words of advice. All are free to do as they will, regardless of where they are with their faith. How else would one learn but through life?

Peace

 

[juvenissun]

Conequal Trinitarianism.

I mentioned Arius;

Even though "Arianism" might suggest that Arius was the originator of the teaching that bears his name, the debate over the Son’s precise relationship to the Father did not begin with him. This subject had been discussed for decades before his advent; Arius merely intensified the controversy and carried it to a Church-wide audience, where other "Arians" such as Eusebius of Nicomedia (not to be confused with his contemporary,Eusebius of Caesarea) proved much more influential in the long run. In fact, some later "Arians" disavowed the name, claiming not to have been familiar with the man or his specific teachings.[4][5] However, because the conflict between Arius and his foes brought the issue to the theological forefront, the doctrine he proclaimed—though not originated—is generally labeled as "his".

Arius is notable primarily because of his role in the Arian controversy, a great fourth-century theological conflict that rocked the Christian world and led to the calling of the first ecumenical council of the Church. This controversy centered upon the nature of the Son of God, and his precise relationship to God the Father. Leading up to the council of Nicaea, the Christian world had many different competing Christological formulae.[12][13] After Nicaea, the dominant orthodox worked to conceal the earlier disagreement, portraying "Arianism" as a radical disagreement to the "norm". The Nicaean formula was a rapidly concluded solution to the general Christological debate that did not have prior agreement.[12]

That's some of what I was talking about. Thanks to Wikipedia.

You lost me. Why do you mention this piece of history (is it?)?

 

[popsthebuilder]

The video did an excellent job of showing an extremely complex system...that when each co-dependent step of the process string...is examined evolution is ruled out. There is currently no model, theory, whatever that can explain the process described in the video using evolutionism as the creation.

Evolution, not evolutionism, but a form of evolution is factual and does not really refute scripture unless you take literal meaning for all scripture as in a day today, would have been the same as a day in the beginning of time.

 

[juvenissun]

You can praise or even worship what energy or force or spirit or natural thing or celestial body you want as long as you understand that all of those lesser things are of the one creative force or creator GOD.

Just words of advice. All are free to do as they will, regardless of where they are with their faith. How else would one learn but through life?

Peace

What is the issue of argument? I think you missed it entirely.

 

[-57]

Evolution, not evolutionism, but a form of evolution is factual and does not really refute scripture unless you take literal meaning for all scripture as in a day today, would have been the same as a day in the beginning of time.

If you want to call the speciation of animals after they left the ark as a form of evolution...so be it.
But, descent with modification (evolutionism) is unbiblical.

 

[-57]

Lets see any other God....any god....give us a book...that contains over 300 predictions concerning future events surrounding one individual...that all have come true.

 

[Freodin]

It is obvious:
Trinity can not be reasoned. Christianity is not likely invented by human.
Polytheism can be reasoned. Polytheistic gods are invented by human.

No. Trinity IS reasoned. Jesus is God... claim one, for reasons. Jesus is human... claim two, for other reasons. Well, he is both... claim three. How is this possible? Well, "it's a mystery!"

Humans are quite good at reasoning themselves into the illogical.

 

[-57]

Humans are quite good at reasoning themselves into the illogical.

...such as their being no God. I agree.

 

[Freodin]

...such as their being no God. I agree.

So, who came up with this illogical idea? Satan?

 

[-57]

So, who came up with this illogcal idea? Satan?

Satan did.

 

[Freodin]

So we now already have two entities that can come up with illogical ideas and present them to humans.

How does Satan come up with these ideas? Which method does he have that is inaccessable to humans?

And what do you think? Is atheism the only idea that Satan gave to humans... or are other religions also the invention of Satan?

 

[popsthebuilder]

If you want to call the speciation of animals after they left the ark as a form of evolution...so be it.
But, descent with modification (evolutionism) is unbiblical.

I don't know what you mean exactly, but did state that I wasn't speaking of evolutionists view.

To me evolution is the process of life adapting to its habitat over time in order to sustain and optimize existence and potential.

 

[juvenissun]

No. Trinity IS reasoned. Jesus is God... claim one, for reasons. Jesus is human... claim two, for other reasons. Well, he is both... claim three. How is this possible? Well, "it's a mystery!"

Humans are quite good at reasoning themselves into the illogical.

If so, why don't you do that?

 

[-57]

So we now already have two entities that can come up with illogical ideas and present them to humans.

How does Satan come up with these ideas? Which method does he have that is inaccessable to humans?

And what do you think? Is atheism the only idea that Satan gave to humans... or are other religions also the invention of Satan?

The one thing Satan does is convince you he doesn't exist. You fell for it.

 

[Freodin]

The one thing Satan does is convince you he doesn't exist. You fell for it.

So, who convinced me that God doesn't exist? That would be already two things, wouldn't it?

 

[Freodin]

If so, why don't you do that?

Oh, I did.

Not what you think now. If you ask nicely, perhaps I will tell you about my pet-philosophy about the ground of existence.

 

[juvenissun]

Oh, I did.

Not what you think now. If you ask nicely, perhaps I will tell you about my pet-philosophy about the ground of existence.

Are you taking some illogical idea seriously?
I don't think so.

 

[-57]

So, who convinced me that God doesn't exist? That would be already two things, wouldn't it?

You do know that which is known about God is evident within you? ... God made it evident to you. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, Gods eternal power and divine nature, have been shown to you, being understood through what has been made, so that YOU are without excuse. For even though YOU knew God, YOU did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but YOU became futile in your speculations, and your foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, YOU became a fool, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man. YOU exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and serve the creature rather than the Creator.

 

[Freodin]

Are you taking some illogical idea seriously?
I don't think so.

Perhaps Satan did it!

Look above: just here a Christian told me that to not believe in God is illogical. What if every other illogical idea, every unreasonable concept is the work of Lucifer himself? Hey, we could agree that polytheism is unreasonable: it is the work of Satan. (Perhaps we could invite AV1611VET into this discussion: he likes to present the concept of 'diabolical mimicry' as explanation for every thing similar in Christian and non-Christians concepts.)

But then you would have to justify the logic and reason behind all the things you consider human ideas... not just claim "it makes sense to me".

Or perhaps you could just admit that people can believe illogical things.