Question

[zaksmummy]

What is the difference between "original sin" and the "evil inclination".

I asked Steven, he said that original sin is a catholic doctrine, and little else, he never gives me much information on such questions

 

[Heber]

Read his book! lol!

 

[aniello]

What is the difference between "original sin" and the "evil inclination".

Ah, good question!

Am interested in what our pastor friends here and what our traditionally educated Jewish friends will say.

Myself, I'm inclined to go with the "evil inclination" view.

aniello

 

[cyberlizard]

Read his book! lol!

quality response - still not decided what to do with publishing it.

catrin needs to read more widely into church history me thinks!


Steve

 

[aniello]

CyberLizard,

In my opinion you owe your wife an apology, for what comes across as a put down on her in public , in my opinion.

Frankly, I've handled 'marital cases' for less.

lo statti,

a.

 

[ContraMundum]

What is the difference between "original sin" and the "evil inclination".

Not much really, when it all boils down. The only difference is that the "evil inclination" (yetzer hara) is a bit cloudy as a doctrine in Judaism, and getting muddier with the rise of kabbalah and Tanya studies etc, while Original Sin is a little easier to grasp.

Original sin is merely the Church's term for the doctrine found in the Tanach. The extent and effect of such sin has been debated over the centuries but the bottom line is that Orginal Sin comes from the fall of Adam, and is manifested in man's propensity to do evil (hence, it is virtually the same in the end as the base form of the Jewish doctrine of yetzer hara)

However, the doctrine of the evil inclination has changed a lot since the Middle Ages, and now it looks more like Eastern religion than the Bible, IMHO.

I asked Steven, he said that original sin is a catholic doctrine, and little else, he never gives me much information on such questions

Tell Steve-o from me that I think that is not the best answer, strictly speaking, but I know how one could say it too, so he's not wrong either. The Torah mentions yetzer hara (Gen 6 & 8) and the rest of the Tanakh describes it as well (Psalms 51 & 53, Job chapters 15 & 25) The orthodox Christian Church takes those verses far more seriously than any other interpreter of the text. However, to say that the Church's doctrine has existed without development would be a mistake too. The Church also takes Paul's serious handling of that revelation as inspired.

The issues that spring up out of the doctrine is whether or not a child is born in such a state of evil or depravity that they are instantly outside of God's grace and if they died they will go to Hell. This has changed over the centuries and there are really only a few views on this left standing. Almost everybody accepts that no one will be condemned to Hell for the sin of Adam, as the scriptures teach. However, orthodox Christianity teaches us that the fall of Adam means we have inherited a spiritual inclination to do evil, and the sins we knowingly commit will send us to Hell. Christian theology basically says that only a transformation of the heart can change one's evil inclination, an inclination which originated at the Fall and is the origin of our sinful hearts and deeds (hence, "original" sin)

This is why people often misunderstand Christianity and treat it as a kind of set of dogmas, neglecting to see salvation in Christianity as salvation from sin. While it is true that the doctrine of original sin as a dogma is a great self-evident proof for Christianity, the dogmas are not what make Christianity real. The reality is that Christianity is about being forgiven of one's sins through the Cross, and transformed from within to holiness of heart by the indwelling Holy Spirit- all made possible by the life, ministry, sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

[cyberlizard]

superb answer!


Steve

 

[Lulav]

Plain and simple,


Original sin is a doctrine, used by the church to control the people. This is to give them control over not just your life but your money too.

Funny how they developed this original sin doctrine and then it created problems with the virgins virgin birth doctrine so Mary's mother had to immaculately conceive her as well.

 

[xDenax]

Plain and simple,

Original sin is a doctrine, used by the church to control the people. This is to give them control over not just your life but your money too.

I'm confused. Isn't original sin the reason people need Jesus in the first place?

 

[ChavaK]

I'm confused. Isn't original sin the reason people need Jesus in the first place?

That's what I thought too, that there was no other way to be redeemed from the sin that Adam brought into the world.

 

[visionary]

I'm confused. Isn't original sin the reason people need Jesus in the first place?

When Yeshua died for your sins, did He die for the original sin in you? No ..every sin that He died for is individual as the person who committed the sin. If original sin existed, then Yeshua got it from his mother's family tree all the way back to Adam and therefore would not be eligible as sinless.

 

[xDenax]

When Yeshua died for your sins, did He die for the original sin in you? No ..every sin that He died for is individual as the person who committed the sin. If original sin existed, then Yeshua got it from his mother's family tree all the way back to Adam and therefore would not be eligible as sinless.

I was under the impression Jesus didn't carry it because you believe he is actually divine and god would be without sin.

 

[visionary]

I was under the impression Jesus didn't carry it because you believe he is actually divine and god would be without sin.

Yep.. and that is why "original sin" concept just doesn't make it into my books of viable ideology.

 

[xDenax]

Yep.. and that is why "original sin" concept just doesn't make it into my books of viable ideology.

Huh? The rest of us aren't divine. Well, whatever. It really makes no difference to me.

 

[ContraMundum]

Well I like being silly, but really what did I post that is not true? I didnt' say anything about 'evil' or make an attack, I just stated facts.

You didn't didn't state any facts that educated and unbiased people would accept as such. What you stated was pure and utter opinion. If you cannot recognize the difference between stated opinions from so-called academics and sourced and recognizable facts then I can easily understand the recent spate of absurd claims you have made- and which Heber and others have called you on. If you stop with the harsh, bitter and severe opinions guised as facts we will all get along a lot better. Not every "fact" one chooses to believe should be splatted on the forum, out of respect for others.

 

[ContraMundum]

I was under the impression Jesus didn't carry it because you believe he is actually divine and god would be without sin.

Vis does not represent Christian or Messianic theology on this point. Please understand that. Vis represents Vis on this point.

Orthodox, NT response (accepted by all Christians, Messianic or not): There isn't a sin or aspect of sin in the world that Jesus didn't die for. All the animal blood spilled commanded in the Torah to be spilled out for human beings was merely an icon of the blood of Jesus, which would be shed for all humanity's sins, known and unknown, committed or omitted. Original sin is merely the term we use to describe the effect of the fall of Adam in the Garden which gives us the propensity to sin and the inclination to go against God. Yes, Jesus did not inherit the sin of Adam, and thus did not have the evil inclination.

 

[visionary]

Vis does not represent Christian or Messianic theology on this point. Please understand that. Vis represents Vis on this point.

Orthodox, NT response (accepted by all Christians, Messianic or not): There isn't a sin or aspect of sin in the world that Jesus didn't die for. All the animal blood spilled commanded in the Torah to be spilled out for human beings was merely an icon of the blood of Jesus, which would be shed for all humanity's sins, known and unknown, committed or omitted. Original sin is merely the term we use to describe the effect of the fall of Adam in the Garden which gives us the propensity to sin and the inclination to go against God. Yes, Jesus did not inherit the sin of Adam, and thus did not have the evil inclination.

Don't misrepresent me. ...

Original sin is not "merely" a term to describe the effect of the fall of Adam in the Garden... There are two ways we can look at original sin. Original sin may be taken to mean:

(1) the sin that Adam committed and/or

(2) a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.

I can go for Yeshua dying on the cross for the first sin. But for him to die for the consequence... it would be like saying he died for cancer, yellow fever, the flu, and bad eye sight. Nahhh.... the thoughts, words, and deeds of the repentant sinner, He died for.

The propensity to sin has always been there.. it is called free will.

The inclination to go against God first came about by deception, deceit,and delusion. Yeshua did inherit the weakened flesh of man through Mary or He couldn't have been tempted like us. Sweating blood to resist the temptation to pack the bags and not go through with His ordained destination is toooooo incredible to contemplate.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I can go for Yeshua dying on the cross for the first sin. But for him to die for the consequence... it would be like saying he died for cancer, yellow fever, the flu, and bad eye sight. Nahhh.... the thoughts, words, and deeds of the repentant sinner, He died for.
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Personally, I don't see anything wrong with saying that Christ died for things such as yellow fever, the flu, bad eye sight and many other things---all of which are within the realm of HEALING, if believing that healing is within the atonement and that Jesus still heals people today as He did in HIS day when it came to those afflicted with diseases due to things such as sin or bad circumstances...and as the church of Acts shows ( Luke 13:31-33 , Luke 9:5-7 , Matthew 4:22-24 , Isaiah 53:4-6 , Luke 13:15-17 /Luke 13 Acts 10:37-39, etc). Sin causes suffering on ALL levels and the Lord is concerned for its consequences on all levels as well, as opposed to just being concerned for what occurred with original sin.

When Jesus walked on the earth He told us what benefits there were to His coming. Luke 4:18, 19 The Spirit of the Lord is upon ME, because He has anointed Me [the Anointed One, the Messiah] to preach the good news (the Gospel) to the poor; He has sent Me to announce release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to send forth as delivered those who are oppressed [who are downtrodden, bruised, crushed, and broken down by calamity], to proclaim the accepted and acceptable year of the Lord [the day when salvation and the free favors of God profusely abound.]

After His death Jesus told the disciples that they (and we) would receive power from the Holy Spirit and we would have authority in His Name to lay hands on the sick and cast out demon...as seen in Mark 16:17 and other places. .

God's spiritual healing power extends to ALL our diseases and infirmities.

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[SIZE=-1]And again, Jesus died for both our sins and our sicknesses.

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[SIZE=-1]1 Peter 2:24[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]Matthew 8:16-17[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] (King James Version) [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]It was Jesus’ willing offering of Himself on the Cross that bore our sins. But the very same tormented body of Jesus, in His scourging and crucifixion, purchased for us the blessing of [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]divine healing[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] — [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]“[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]by His wounds[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] you have [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]been healed[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].”[/SIZE]
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Others may disagree...but I'd think that much of the diseases we see in the world are the result of living in a fallen world----something that did not occur BEFORE the Fall of Man...and seeing the many times others noted where some diseases they were afflicted with Jesus Healed them from (as they were spiritual bondages) or others He freed them from. Healing is within the Atonement

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As it concerns Jewish belief about healing regarding Isaiah 53, here's something from Rashi’s commentary on Isaiah 53:4, 5 and 12:

Indeed, he bore our illnesses Heb. an expression of ‘but’ in all places. But now we see that this came to him not because of his low state, but that he was chastised with pains so that all the nations be atoned for with Israel’s suffering. The illness that should rightfully have come upon us, he bore.



The Zohar:

As long as Israel dwelt in the Holy Land, the rituals and the sacrifices they performed [in the Temple] removed all those diseases from the world; now the Messiah removes them from the children of the world (2:212a)


Also from Zohar...

The souls which are in the Garden of Eden below go to and from every new moon and Sabbath, in order to ascend to the place that is called the Walls of Jerusalem. . . After that they journey on and contemplate all those that are possessed of pains and sicknesses and those that are martyrs for the unity of their Lord, and then return and announce it to the Messiah.

And as they tell him of the misery of Israel in their captivity, and of those wicked ones among them who are not attentive to know their Lord, he lifts up his voice and weeps for their wickedness, as it is written, “He was wounded for our transgressions”, etc.

There is in the Garden of Eden a palace called the Palace of the sons of sickness. This palace the Messiah enters ,and summons every sickness, every pain, and every chastisement of Israel; they all come and rest upon him. And were it not that he had thus lightened them off Israel and taken them upon himself, there had been no man able to bear Israel’s chastisements for transgression of the Law; and this is that which is written, “Surely our sicknesses he has carried.”

The children of the world are members of one another. When the Holy One desires to give healing to the world ,he smites one just man among them, and for his sake heals all the rest. From were do we learn this? From the saying, “He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities”, i. e. , by the letting of his blood–as when a man bleeds his arm–there was healing for us–for all the members of the body. In general a just person is only smitten in order to procure healing and atonement for a whole generation.

At the time when the Holy One desires to atone for the sins of the world, like a physician who to save the other limbs, bleeds the arm, he smites their arm and heals their whole person, as it is written, “He was wounded for our iniquities”, etc

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Our God is YHWH Rapha and He has not changed. But here is another thought: Does Jesus deliver people from demons today? Answer: YES. Why would Jesus deliver people from demons but would not heal?

 

[Gxg (G²)]

The issues that spring up out of the doctrine is whether or not a child is born in such a state of evil or depravity that they are instantly outside of God's grace and if they died they will go to Hell. This has changed over the centuries and there are really only a few views on this left standing. Almost everybody accepts that no one will be condemned to Hell for the sin of Adam, as the scriptures teach. However, orthodox Christianity teaches us that the fall of Adam means we have inherited a spiritual inclination to do evil, and the sins we knowingly commit will send us to Hell. Christian theology basically says that only a transformation of the heart can change one's evil inclination, an inclination which originated at the Fall and is the origin of our sinful hearts and deeds (hence, "original" sin)
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The issue of Original Sin, as I learned it, was always viewed by some to mean that all who are born/don't know of Christ will perish in Hell (including children)--whereas others say, as you noted, that all are born into a world where they have the propensity to sin and are "infected" due to not having access to the Spirit of God (like Adam/Eve did) to live righteouslyy....even though there's a certain level of righteousness man can achieve (like Noah) despite the circumstances he lives in and having to try to do what God asks by his own power. From the latter view, it is because of this that Yeshua came since His death allows for all sins to be permanately dealt with and all who trust in Him can recieve the power of the Holy Spirit to live as He desired---transformed.

Scholar Michael Heisner actually have an excellent review on the subject of original sin when it came to understanding the traditional views of Romans 5 ( as seen here ). And on the issue of Original Sin, here is one of the articles he made...entitled Adam's Sin and Old Testament Theology - Michael S. Heiser. In his view:

Other than Genesis 3 and then Genesis 4-5, where Adam is mentioned with respect to having children with Eve, the person Adam is mentioned only two times in the entire Old Testament. One reference is a genealogy (1 Chron 1:1).

The other is Hosea 6:7 which reads: “But like Adam they transgressed the covenant; there they dealt faithlessly with me.” Not surprisingly (to me anyway), there is no mention here of Adam’s original sin being transmitted to the rest of humanity. Instead, Adam’s transgression of his relationship to God is used as an analogy to covenant violation of Israel. Eve is never mentioned in the OT after Genesis 4:1.


What this means is transparent: There isn’t a single verse in the entire Hebrew Bible that produces the theology put forth by the traditional interpretation of Romans 5:12. The idea that Adam’s guilt was transmitted to all humanity is completely absent from OT theology. One would think that, given its central importance to the whole idea of salvation, if this view were accurate, at least one writer in the OT during the 2000 year history of Israel from Abraham to Jesus would have put the idea out there. But none did (under inspiration to boot).




What we do have is the simple story of the garden: Adam sins, humanity is removed from the tree of life and the direct presence of God which (apparently – in all views of this) was essential to Adam remaining without sin up to the Fall, and so humanity will thereafter die and sin. One is now his biological nature and destiny; the other is his spirtual nature–that all humans WILL sin, without exception.


Do you know what else we have in OT theology? The idea that humans are guilty before God because of THEIR OWN sins and transgressions. My detractors seem to have missed the fact that Paul’s statements in Romans 3, for example, either come irectly from the OT or are allusions to OT verses. Think about that. The verses that are supposed to convince me (and us) that humanity inherited guilt (as opposed to becoming sinners and producing their own guilt) comes from that document (the Hebrew Bible) that doesn’t have a single verse in it about humans inheriting Adam’s guilt. For sure we inherit the conditions and nature that will PRODUCE sin and guilt BY OUR OWN HAND, but that is different than the traditional view. How ironic. Using OT citations (through the mouth of a NT writer quoting them) to prove an idea that isn’t in the OT.



So why is it that Paul breaks the silence about Adam and the human race in Romans 5:12? Why did we have to wait until Paul for someone to say something? The answer is simple. It wasn’t until Paul — living as he was in “post Jesus” Judaism (and the birth of Christianity) that Adam became a useful ANALOGY for something. Paul brought up Adam and humanity for the specific purpose of comparing and contrasting Adam with Jesus, who in Paul’s thought became the “second Adam.”


I came across an article last week about Paul’s view of Romans 5:12. I now have two of them that discuss his theology in light of earlier Judaism (not the OT per se, due to the above difficulty). Both of them spend a lot of time talking about the Jewish sense of corporate identity. The idea that when one person does X the extended family and even a tribe might be cursed for it (or blessed). For sure this idea is part of Israelite culture (and the wider ANE). But neither article asks the question that logically extends from this observation: In view of how corporate responsibility is ingrained in Israelite thinking, why is it that not a single verse in the Hebrew Bible makes this point about Adam? The silence there is telling. Yes, I agree that what Adam did extended to the entire human race (there’s your corporate identity idea). But, as I noted several posts ago, I’m just asking HOW that is true.



And of course, how that questioned is answered must deal with the Jesus problem.


I recently had a good exchange with a Naked Bible reader via email and wanted to share my thoughts on the notion of how “corporate solidarity” (CS) fails to answer my objections to the traditional view of Romans 5:12.
The idea of CS is that the semitic culture included the idea of a group being identified with one person. Hence Adam’s guilt is “absorbed” or transferred to the corproate whole of humanity — the point being that Semtiic culture would have seen Romans 5:12 that way. Jesus is exempt from this since his relationship is to the Father, as God.



This is really the basis for the federal headship view, which I commented on very early in this topic. It sounds like it can work, until you get to Jesus and the incarnation.

The reason this doesn’t work is that there needs to be an ontological relationship between Jesus and humanity, not ONLY the father, or the incarnation is damaged. The point of Romans 5 (in either view) is that what Adam did affects all humans, since all humans extend from Adam biologically. Every “Adam species” being is affected by what Adam did since they are “Adam species” beings as well. No other species inherits moral guilt (but is affected other ways). So, if Adam passed on moral guilt, to whom did he pass it? Humans, of course. There is thus “corporate solidarity” between Adam and all humans. But why remove Jesus from this solidarity, arguing only solidarity with the Father? On what biblical basis can this be done? The incarnation forbids this, because there must be true humanity with respect to Jesus.

Put another way, this view establishes “corporate solidarity” with only ONE side of the incarnation. My view establishes it with BOTH. We cannot divorce Jesus from solidarity with humanity. That invites the question, how can he then redeem humanity if his solidarity relationship is ONLY with the Father? Well, you could just say he can do it because he’s God. Yep, you can. But then what was the point of the incarnation?

All of this bypasses the issue (again). Jesus was 100% human, but somehow people feel they are allowed to remove him from solidarity with the first man, from whom extends solidarity with all other humans. What I’d need to be at all moved by this argument is some place in Scripture that creates a divide between the incarnate deity-human and other humans. I say Jesus was MORE than human, but that doesn’t exempt him from being truly human and sharing human solidarity with Adam. It is another thing altogether to have Jesus be human in every way but then exempt from solidarity with Adam. It makes no sense.

My view establishes solidarity with BOTH sides of the incarnation; the traditional view does not. I think that is a terrible deficiency (but I wouldn’t call it heresy).

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[visionary]

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with saying that Christ died for things such as yellow fever, the flu, bad eye sight and many other things---all of which are within the realm of HEALING, if believing that healing is within the atonement and that Jesus still heals people today as He did in HIS day when it came to those afflicted with diseases due to things such as sin or bad circumstances...and as the church of Acts shows ( Luke 13:31-33 , Luke 9:5-7 , Matthew 4:22-24 , Isaiah 53:4-6 , Luke 13:15-17 /Luke 13 Acts 10:37-39, etc). Sin causes suffering on ALL levels and the Lord is concerned for its consequences on all levels as well, as opposed to just being concerned for what occurred with original sin.

When Jesus walked on the earth He told us what benefits there were to His coming. Luke 4:18, 19 The Spirit of the Lord is upon ME, because He has anointed Me [the Anointed One, the Messiah] to preach the good news (the Gospel) to the poor; He has sent Me to announce release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to send forth as delivered those who are oppressed [who are downtrodden, bruised, crushed, and broken down by calamity], to proclaim the accepted and acceptable year of the Lord [the day when salvation and the free favors of God profusely abound.]

After His death Jesus told the disciples that they (and we) would receive power from the Holy Spirit and we would have authority in His Name to lay hands on the sick and cast out demon...as seen in Mark 16:17 and other places. .

God's spiritual healing power extends to ALL our diseases and infirmities.

[SIZE=-1]Psalms 103:2-3[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] Praise the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]his benefits[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] — who forgives all your sins and [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]heals all[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] your diseases.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]And again, Jesus died for both our sins and our sicknesses.

[SIZE=-1]Isaiah 53:5[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]by his wounds we are healed[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]1 Peter 2:24[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]It was Jesus’ willing offering of Himself on the Cross that bore our sins. But the very same tormented body of Jesus, in His scourging and crucifixion, purchased for us the blessing of [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]divine healing[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] — [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]“[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]by His wounds[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] you have [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]been healed[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].”[/SIZE]
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Others may disagree...but I'd think that much of the diseases we see in the world are the result of living in a fallen world----something that did not occur BEFORE the Fall of Man...and seeing the many times others noted where some diseases they were afflicted with Jesus Healed them from (as they were spiritual bondages) or others He freed them from. Healing is within the Atonement

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As it concerns Jewish belief about healing regarding Isaiah 53, here's something from Rashi’s commentary on Isaiah 53:4, 5 and 12:

Indeed, he bore our illnesses Heb. an expression of ‘but’ in all places. But now we see that this came to him not because of his low state, but that he was chastised with pains so that all the nations be atoned for with Israel’s suffering. The illness that should rightfully have come upon us, he bore.



The Zohar:

As long as Israel dwelt in the Holy Land, the rituals and the sacrifices they performed [in the Temple] removed all those diseases from the world; now the Messiah removes them from the children of the world (2:212a)


Also from Zohar...

The souls which are in the Garden of Eden below go to and from every new moon and Sabbath, in order to ascend to the place that is called the Walls of Jerusalem. . . After that they journey on and contemplate all those that are possessed of pains and sicknesses and those that are martyrs for the unity of their Lord, and then return and announce it to the Messiah.

And as they tell him of the misery of Israel in their captivity, and of those wicked ones among them who are not attentive to know their Lord, he lifts up his voice and weeps for their wickedness, as it is written, “He was wounded for our transgressions”, etc.

There is in the Garden of Eden a palace called the Palace of the sons of sickness. This palace the Messiah enters ,and summons every sickness, every pain, and every chastisement of Israel; they all come and rest upon him. And were it not that he had thus lightened them off Israel and taken them upon himself, there had been no man able to bear Israel’s chastisements for transgression of the Law; and this is that which is written, “Surely our sicknesses he has carried.”

The children of the world are members of one another. When the Holy One desires to give healing to the world ,he smites one just man among them, and for his sake heals all the rest. From were do we learn this? From the saying, “He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities”, i. e. , by the letting of his blood–as when a man bleeds his arm–there was healing for us–for all the members of the body. In general a just person is only smitten in order to procure healing and atonement for a whole generation.

At the time when the Holy One desires to atone for the sins of the world, like a physician who to save the other limbs, bleeds the arm, he smites their arm and heals their whole person, as it is written, “He was wounded for our iniquities”, etc

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Our God is YHWH Rapha and He has not changed. But here is another thought: Does Jesus deliver people from demons today? Answer: YES. Why would Jesus deliver people from demons but would not heal?

He didn't have to die to offer the healing.