Question on Noah's Ark

[TagliatelliMonster]

With God in control of all DNA, past and future, there need be no bottleneck effect to find.
And we ARE assuming that this was God doing, so lets assume He did it well.

Yep, once again....

Indeed, if you assume that an all-powerfull entity that can do anything exists, then anything is possible, sure.

Nothing is impossible if you get to invoke that...nothing is impossible.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

On the contrary. The region is relatively flat with easy run-off to the sea, making a local flood of that magnitude impossible.

All it takes is a geological event big enough to get a tsunami started.

Erase the idea of a local flood from your mind. Maybe look at a topographical map. It didn't and couldn't happen.

Local floods happen all the time, dude.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The Middle East. Specifically, life is thought to have begun in Iraq. You can't get water above the mountain peeks in a land where the average elevation is 200-500 meters above sea level. Once water reaches the sea, it will not rise further until the seal level raises 500 meters. It's simply not possible to flood a region without some kind of containment. Even a tidal wave begins to abate as soon as the energy surge abates and gravity drains the waters to the lowest available level. For it to last a year, it would have to be global or they would have to be lost at sea and just THINK it was a global flood. That's not what is written.

For the record, I agree that the bible clearly speaks about a global flood.

And all the evidence demonstrates that such a thing never happened.

 

[miknik5]

Yep, once again...Indeed, if you assume that an all-powerfull entity that can do anything exists, then anything is possible, sure.

Nothing is impossible if you get to invoke that...nothing is impossible.

You agree then!

If you include the TRUTH of GOD in all these....arguments

Then nothing is impossible

That's good!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You agree then!
If you include the TRUTH of GOD in all these....arguments
Then nothing is impossible
That's good!

Off course I agree.

You can make a bazillion statements like that.
For example: if we assume that I can fit the Empire state building in my pocket, then we can say that empire state building fits in my pocket!

To bad you're not getting how absurd such statements are.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yep, once again....

Indeed, if you assume that an all-powerfull entity that can do anything exists, then anything is possible, sure.

Nothing is impossible if you get to invoke that...nothing is impossible.

We ARE talking about a story in the Holy Scriptures.
If you were thinking the Bible was like National Geographic
then your not considering the source of what you are considering.

 

[SkyWriting]

Off course I agree.
You can make a bazillion statements like that.
For example: if we assume that I can fit the Empire state building in my pocket, then we can say that empire state building fits in my pocket!To bad you're not getting how absurd such statements are.

Noahs' flood is a story in the Bible.
The Bible includes God in many of the stories.
So don't be surprised when attributes of God are considered.
That method of analysis is scientific.

 

[SkyWriting]

Call it an assumption if you wish. I'll call it a conclusion based on data.
It seems a pretty reasonable assumption, either way.



But I am perfectly capable of recreating the track.
I can test my model. I can take any random human who still has both legs and feet, remove his shoes and have him walk on a beach and compare the tracks.

Hunters use these techniques all the time to track certain animals. And they are very succesfull at it. Reading your hilarious objections to concluding past events from evidence/data in the present, hunters shouldn't be able to do this so succesfully.



That would not leave the same tracks. The tracks on the beach, first of all, are naked feet, not shoe prints. Secondly, this hilarious bike wouldn't leave tracks that are consistant with standard bipedal walking. It would be a straight line of footprints instead.



The dog would also leave other tracks.



Let's try something else then.
Which of these would you consider the most reasonable "assumption":
- a human walked there
- a bipedal dog with shoes in the shape of human feet walked there
- a supernatural ethereal demon put the tracks there to mislead us

All analysis of past events are a matter of Faith.
The scientific method does not work for past events.

 

[miknik5]

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Off course I agree.

You can make a bazillion statements like that.
For example: if we assume that I can fit the Empire state building in my pocket, then we can say that empire state building fits in my pocket!

To bad you're not getting how absurd such statements are.

You're being silly

What you just used as an example is an absurd statement with or without including GOD

 

[JD16]

That method of analysis is scientific.

How is it scientific in anyway when science does not deal with the supernatural? When it comes to religion and God specifically, whatever proposition has to be accept based on faith, and there is nothing scientific when it comes to faith...

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm sorry you're offended by me. The LORD will judge between the filled and fattened sheep who have eaten and drunk what is good but have not looked after the lean and hungry sheep that don't know the difference between pure food that feeds and polluted diluted food that doesn't

I have no idea what you are referring to. I think you are swell.

 

[SkyWriting]

How is it scientific in anyway when science does not deal with the supernatural? When it comes to religion and God specifically, whatever proposition has to be accept based on faith, and there is nothing scientific when it comes to faith...

There is scientific methodology which can be used for examining anything.
The results may might not be reproducible by a "hostile" investigator
but scientific methodology covers up all kinds of sloppy science.

 

[SkyWriting]

Then again... if we assume that Lord Xenu banished us all to these physical bodies after the thermo-nuclear war on Mars, then we better dig deep in our wallets so that Tom Cruise can train us until we reach the stage of Operating Thetan.

But I am referring to the book you are imagining that you have read in the scriptures.
If this story was on Tom's bookshelf, Lord Xenu may be used as a witness.

 

[miknik5]

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I have no idea what you are referring to. I think you are swell.

I misunderstood then

Sorry

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We ARE talking about a story in the Holy Scriptures.
If you were thinking the Bible was like National Geographic
then your not considering the source of what you are considering.

hey man, I'm not the one who's claiming that this story reads like a historical documentary.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Noahs' flood is a story in the Bible.
The Bible includes God in many of the stories.
So don't be surprised when attributes of God are considered.
That method of analysis is scientific.

LOL!!

May the force be with you!
(I just saw Star Wars, so that's a scientific statement)

 

[KWCrazy]

All it takes is a geological event big enough to get a tsunami started.

Not to last for a year and require the evacuation of every kind of animal in the region.
It took years to build the ark. Why not just move?
It wasn't just a flood, it was a flood that covered the mountains; not possible with easy run-off to the sea. You would have to stack water on itself.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

All analysis of past events are a matter of Faith. The scientific method does not work for past events

You forgot to answer my question. Here it is again:

Which of these would you consider the most reasonable "assumption":
- a human walked there
- a bipedal dog with shoes in the shape of human feet walked there
- a supernatural ethereal demon put the tracks there to mislead us

 

[AV1611VET]

It wasn't just a flood, it was a flood that covered the mountains; not possible with easy run-off to the sea. You would have to stack water on itself.

 

[SkyWriting]

... and there is nothing scientific when it comes to faith...

Science is nothing but faith.