Question on Noah's Ark

[miknik5]

Sure. Treat others as you would have them treat you....
means no gender specific rules are allowed.
For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

Paul made a number of blunders in his writing.
Pointing out specific sins to be monitored was another.

I'm sorry you're offended by me

The LORD will judge between the filled and fattened sheep who have eaten and drunk what is good but have not looked after the lean and hungry sheep that don't know the difference between pure food that feeds and polluted diluted food that doesn't

 

[JD16]

Generally true. But if we assume the flood was not a natural flood
and that God picked the animals, then the DNA and all breeding
before and after the flood was planned before time began.

Science is unable to cope with the concept of divine planning and control.
So no DNA needed to be "pure." It only needed to be part of God's plan.

That problem with that is, that's a lot of assumption and no way to verify it, science is not unable to cope but does not deal with the supernatural, therefore what you propose is nothing but speculation, and it can only be accepted on faith. Science has a perfectly natural explanation,...no bottleneck event, therefore no flood,...and that requires no faith, which is the prefered option as opposed to speculation,...well, for me anyways

 

[KWCrazy]

A local flood would also have no need for any supernatural shenannigans. As local floods happen all the time quite naturally.

On the contrary. The region is relatively flat with easy run-off to the sea, making a local flood of that magnitude impossible. There are no barriers to contain the flood waters. You can test this in your bathtub. Try and keep all the water in one end with an unrestricted access to the other end. See what it does. For extra amusement, though one end is deeper than the other, float a level on the water and see what happens.

Erase the idea of a local flood from your mind. Maybe look at a topographical map. It didn't and couldn't happen.

 

[Speedwell]

On the contrary. The region is relatively flat with easy run-off to the sea, making a local flood of that magnitude impossible. There are no barriers to contain the flood waters. You can test this in your bathtub. Try and keep all the water in one end with an unrestricted access to the other end. See what it does. For extra amusement, though one end is deeper than the other, float a level on the water and see what happens.

Erase the idea of a local flood from your mind. Maybe look at a topographical map. It didn't and couldn't happen.

What region is that?

 

[JD16]

What region is that?

According to the gospel of AV New Jersey.

 

[KWCrazy]

What region is that?

The Middle East. Specifically, life is thought to have begun in Iraq. You can't get water above the mountain peeks in a land where the average elevation is 200-500 meters above sea level. Once water reaches the sea, it will not rise further until the seal level raises 500 meters. It's simply not possible to flood a region without some kind of containment. Even a tidal wave begins to abate as soon as the energy surge abates and gravity drains the waters to the lowest available level. For it to last a year, it would have to be global or they would have to be lost at sea and just THINK it was a global flood. That's not what is written.

 

[dad]

God crafted the Reformation so that ordinary folks like me and you can read and interpret the scriptures for ourselves instead of relying on the RCC. A single different word can bring new meaning to a passage. That is why Hebrew words have so many meanings. We get to replace inappropriate words with one that are clearer. We even get to correct chapter breaks that are clearly wrong.

You suggest there is a meaning hidden in the first few verses?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Really?
Do men dictate what genes will or will not be expressed?

Defects may or may not occur regardless of inbreeding or not

Jacob's offspring?

None of them presented any physical defect

Ow dear.... How many times must it be repeated?
It's not about gene expression.
It's not about "gene purity" (whatever that means)

It is about the lack of genetic diversity.
Which is expressed through a lack of individuals in the population.
8 people, means a max of only 8 variations of the DNA.
This causes problems.

It does not matter what else you wish to add to this.
Nothing you say will change the fact that this is a population of only 8 individuals. Which is simply genetically not enough.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I don't appreciate your post spaghetti monster

Please don't insult me by refering to me as spaghetti monster.

I'm not some cheap, common spaghetti!
I'm the delicious, fancy tagliatelli

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Please explain to me what antiDNAse is and why and how it presents itself in physically healthy looking people who do not present any form or symptom of any disease

Thanks

How is this relevant to the problems that arise due to inbreed and lack of genetic variation?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Sorry about that I don't like it much either but when one is pure and in GOD's sovereign purpose, well who can argue with the GOODNESS of GOD?

What the aitch are you talking about?
We are talking about genetic variation and how a lack of it causes problems in off spring due to inbreeding.

What does the "goodness of your god" got to do with it?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

magic?

Yes, magic. As in, disrupting natural physical processes through supernatural means.

I'm not discussing magic nor would I ever discuss or attribute anything to magic

I beg the differ.
You insist on arguing against biological facts and try to explain them away with supernatural intervention. If that ain't magic, then what is magic? To me, it's indistinguishable from magic.

I will attribute it to its source based on knowing the difference between GOOD and evil

Good and evil are value judgements (by humans) of actions or decisions made by humans.

We aren't talking about good and evil. We aren't talking about ethics or morality.

We are talking about the biological fact that a lack of genetic diversity causes problems in off spring and how the more severe the lack of genetic diversity, the more severe the problems are.

As a result, a population of only 8 (4 of which are brothers and their father), are doomed to extinction.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There is such a thing as the purer genes to express themselves

And are we the ones who are able to dictate what genes we want expressed?

It doesn't matter what genes are expressed or not.
What matters is that there are only 8 variations of them.
Which is not enough.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes? I realize that could be
Again all of us have the ability to present for issues but for the GRACE of GOD not all will

It completely refutes your nonsense about people at the time of noah having "pure genes" (whatever that means) without "desease" etc.

A 1.7 million year old bone with marks of cancer, which ties into 'malfunctioning' genetics, completely refutes your claim.

Unless, off course, you are going to invoke magic again.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The males are even all a father with his sons?

What?

Did you read your book?

There are 4 males. Noah and his 3 sons.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There will be those who will come to their senses and acknowledge the SOVEREIGNTY of GOD in all things and that it was by HIS everyday GRACE upon all that HE held back all the things whixh would have completely destroyed us

And then there are those who will in error, curse/blame/attribute to GOD all these things which will come upon The earth in the last days, not realizing it was HIS GRACE which held these things back

I notice that you seem to have dropped your "sciency-sounding" arguments and are now seeking refuge in good ol' preaching.

Very telling.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I think you might want to review Nebuchadnezzer's dream

I like my own dreams better.
It has unicorns and rivers of beer.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Generally true. But if we assume the flood was not a natural flood and that God picked the animals, then the DNA and all breeding before and after the flood was planned before time began.

Then again... if we assume that Lord Xenu banished us all to these physical bodies after the thermo-nuclear war on Mars, then we better dig deep in our wallets so that Tom Cruise can train us until we reach the stage of Operating Thetan.

Science is unable to cope with the concept of divine planning and control.

It's also unable to cope with the concept of an immortal Thetan.

So no DNA needed to be "pure." It only needed to be part of God's plan.

DNA is actually just the prison of our true Thetanian selves.
Start auditing today, so that you may shed yourselves from that prison before it kills you!!!

 

[JD16]

I notice that you seem to have dropped your "sciency-sounding" arguments and are now seeking refuge in good ol' preaching.

Very telling.

sciency-sounding?!?!?!?! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You can assume that happened.

Call it an assumption if you wish. I'll call it a conclusion based on data.
It seems a pretty reasonable assumption, either way.

But you are unable to recreate the exact event.

But I am perfectly capable of recreating the track.
I can test my model. I can take any random human who still has both legs and feet, remove his shoes and have him walk on a beach and compare the tracks.

Hunters use these techniques all the time to track certain animals. And they are very succesfull at it. Reading your hilarious objections to concluding past events from evidence/data in the present, hunters shouldn't be able to do this so succesfully.

That would not leave the same tracks. The tracks on the beach, first of all, are naked feet, not shoe prints. Secondly, this hilarious bike wouldn't leave tracks that are consistant with standard bipedal walking. It would be a straight line of footprints instead.

The dog would also leave other tracks.

Let's try something else then.
Which of these would you consider the most reasonable "assumption":
- a human walked there
- a bipedal dog with shoes in the shape of human feet walked there
- a supernatural ethereal demon put the tracks there to mislead us