Question on Noah's Ark

[SkyWriting]

I don't have to ask my nephew. I believe it myself; God can do anything. The question at hand is, what did He do?
Did He do it the way some Christians misinterpret an old Hebrew creation story? Or did He do it according to what science has concluded?

Science cannot predict past events.
The scientific method requires predictions
and "hostile" analysis and repeat observations.

 

[JD16]

So why are trials not conducted by scientists then?

Because we have lawyers for that.....

 

[SkyWriting]

Because we have lawyers for that.....

You do realize that for every scientific conclusion on one team, there is a symmetrical
and opposite expert conclusion on the other side?
It's not like everyone kneels before one science expert.

 

[JD16]

You do realize that for every scientific conclusion on one team, there is a symmetrical
and opposite expert conclusion on the other side?

No, that is just baseless speculation, the facts are just that, facts,.....if you follow the evidence and arrive at the opposite conclusion, you're just deluded, or maybe a global flood believer.

 

[SkyWriting]

This question is assuming evolution is true, and that there was not a special creation which would have all the genes or DNA necessary to produce all the types of dogs that exists today.

DNA can be programmed to change and modify itself based on environmental conditions.
One study hand selected wolves based on their disposition or attitude.

This caused such a dramatic physical change that the experiment was halted.

 

[Skreeper]

You do realize that for every scientific conclusion on one team, there is a symmetrical
and opposite expert conclusion on the other side?
It's not like everyone kneels before one science expert.

There is no opposing expert conclusion to evolution. The current available body of facts about reality show that the theory of evolution by natural selection is the best explanation for the diversity of life on this planet.

 

[dad]

I'm on it, bro.

God bless you

 

[dad]

Notice that it says all the angels. Why would the fallen angels rejoice at earth's creation?

Unless we have other verses that support that conclusion I would call it into question. What in your opinion is the corner stone of the universe? (also world)?
What if it is Jesus? If a universe was being wired to respond to Jesus before it was made, maybe that could be called laying the cornerstone? If He knew everyone that was ever to be born, and had books before we were created it seems something was going on before day one of the actual creation week, no? How much 'time' would that involve? I don't know when the rebellion of angels took place. Some seem to want to place that around the time of Eden. I somehow loathe to accept that position. I certainly am very wary of people trying to build a complete understanding of the bible based on such assumptions. Yes there was a garden of God and coals of fire mentioned where Lucifer used to hang out. That does not have to mean the garden of Eden as far as I am aware.

So it is unknown as to the exact timing and sequence of events surrounding the rebellion of angels. My general opinion and feeling is that this earth was brand new. Something not related to the rebellion, but maybe more like a new way of doing things. That might explain why the devil seems to hate man, and free will etc.

 

[dad]

Genesis 1:2 isn't about creation but the condition of the earth at that moment: a chaotic wasteland covered with water and plunged into darkness. In other words a state of ruin.

No. More like the early stages of a pizza in the oven, not yet cooked. Or of a loaf of bread that is not yet risen into form.

 

[pitabread]

You do realize that for every scientific conclusion on one team, there is a symmetrical
and opposite expert conclusion on the other side?

This is not true in the slightest.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Unless we have other verses that support that conclusion I would call it into question. What in your opinion is the corner stone of the universe? (also world)?
What if it is Jesus? If a universe was being wired to respond to Jesus before it was made, maybe that could be called laying the cornerstone? If He knew everyone that was ever to be born, and had books before we were created it seems something was going on before day one of the actual creation week, no? How much 'time' would that involve? I don't know when the rebellion of angels took place. Some seem to want to place that around the time of Eden. I somehow loathe to accept that position. I certainly am very wary of people trying to build a complete understanding of the bible based on such assumptions. Yes there was a garden of God and coals of fire mentioned where Lucifer used to hang out. That does not have to mean the garden of Eden as far as I am aware.

So it is unknown as to the exact timing and sequence of events surrounding the rebellion of angels. My general opinion and feeling is that this earth was brand new. Something not related to the rebellion, but maybe more like a new way of doing things. That might explain why the devil seems to hate man, and free will etc.

Do you believe that the entire geologic record has been laid down since Adam and Eve?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No. More like the early stages of a pizza in the oven, not yet cooked. Or of a loaf of bread that is not yet risen into form.

The ruin, evidenced by catastrophic upheaval, lays just beneath the surface (earthquakes) and also pokes out of it (the mountains). There is no way to reconcile this condition with a young earth.

 

[dad]

Do you believe that the entire geologic record has been laid down since Adam and Eve?

I think the garden was planted on earth, so there was some layer here. If that was what they used to call the Precambrian, well that could make sense. Even if there are little fossils in it, many creatures could burrow, sink, or otherwise get in that I would think.

Of course we would not have fossils for man and most animals and fish and birds and plants on earth yet, since they likely could not leave remains at that time! Later, as a lot of evolving from the created kinds started to happen, I assume many creatures would be able to start leaving remains, though most would not still! Looking at this chart to get some general idea of an actual time timeline, we see it is mere centuries that separate layers in most cases.

Now factor in the fact that the record says man lived about 1000 years at that time. This means Adam probably lived up to the mesozoic or some such layer!!!!! If animals had approx the same proportionate life spans then, we would have a lion then lining centuries rather than say 30 years or whatever! In other words if a lion was say about a third of our current life span, and was a third of 1000 years then...that would mean a lion over three centuries old!

 

[dad]

The ruin, evidenced by catastrophic upheaval, lays just beneath the surface (earthquakes) and also pokes out of it (the mountains). There is no way to reconcile this condition with a young earth.

No. The mountains probably came about the same time as the nature change and continental separation! The original created mountains, I have heard many speculate, were likely more like the Appalachians than the Rockies. So when the waters of the flood covered the highest mountains then, it was not miles high.

 

[SkyWriting]

There is no opposing expert conclusion to evolution. The current available body of facts about reality show that the theory of evolution by natural selection is the best explanation for the diversity of life on this planet.

The head of the Genome project often remarked that what he found was too
complex to not have been designed by God.

 

[pitabread]

The head of the Genome project often remarked that what he found was too
complex to not have been designed by God.

Got an actual quote?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Source?

" I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan." - Francis Collins

From his book "the language of god":

1. “Faith that places God in the gaps of current understanding about the natural world may be headed for crisis if advances in science subsequently fill those gaps” (p. 93). We cannot use causal action by a transcendent intelligence to explain puzzling natural phenomena. In short, no God‐of-the‐ gaps allowed.
2. “Darwin’s framework of variation and natural selection,” but especially Darwin’s picture of a Tree of Life—the common ancestry of all organisms on Earth—“is unquestionably correct” (141). Universal common descent by natural processes is scientifically non‐negotiable. The theory of neo‐Darwinian evolution cannot rationally be doubted by any educated person.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

My error. Scientific expert testimony is presented on both sides.
You persist in the delusion that scientists come to identical conclusions
even though the entire history of science is based on the opposite.

Science advances through scientific consensus.

 

[Skreeper]

As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan.

I can't see where it says that DNA is too complex to have formed without an intelligence.
And Collins accepts the theory of evolution by natural selection.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The same applies to scientists.

No. It's in nobody's best interest for a scientist to scam.
Not for science and not for the scientist himself.

Not so much with lawyers... They'll get a big pay check and a boost in their reputation. "if anyone can keep you out of jail, that lawyer can!!"

In science, it earns you nothing. In fact, deliberate attempts at misguidance will destroy your reputation.

Again...
A scientist is out to get the answers correct / make progress
A lawyer's goal is to win cases - no matter if the outcome is correct.

 

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