Question For The YECers.

[DerelictJunction]

Yes, there were days and years before expulsion. There were days and years before Adam.

Then I would say that from the day Adam was made until the day he died was the number of years that the Bible says (930, I think). So, according to a literal reading of Genesis, the universe was 930 years old when Adam died.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then I would say that from the day Adam was made until the day he died was the number of years that the Bible says (930, I think).

Or 950 or 960, if Adam came on the scene as a 20 or 30-year-old.

Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Notice it does not say how old Adam was when he died.

It says how many years he lived.

The difference is embedded age.

 

[RickG]

Or 950 or 960, if Adam came on the scene as a 20 or 30-year-old.

Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Notice it does not say how old Adam was when he died.

It says how many years he lived.

The difference is embedded age.

What makes him 20 or 30 when he came on the scene?

 

[ChetSinger]

I guess the question is when did the 6000 year clock start.

The 6,000-year figure is calculated by working backward through the genealogies to the year of Adam's creation.

From Genesis 5:

When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.

Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.

When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.

It's difficult to postulate Adam's creation date as any year other than about 6,000 years ago. While it's true that Jews sometimes left names out of their genealogies, the genealogies that are most relevant for this issue (in Gen 5 and Gen 11) have a more precise form. You can see an example of that precision in the quote above.

 

[AV1611VET]

What makes him 20 or 30 when he came on the scene?

You mean Who made him 20 or 30 when he came on the scene?

 

[DerelictJunction]

Or 950 or 960, if Adam came on the scene as a 20 or 30-year-old.

Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Notice it does not say how old Adam was when he died.

It says how many years he lived.

The difference is embedded age.

No. An apple created as fully ripe 5 minutes ago is only 5 minutes old. 5 minutes after he was created, Adam was only 5 minutes old, regardless of how old he looked.

 

[AV1611VET]

5 minutes after he was created, Adam was only 5 minutes old, regardless of how old he looked.

You left out a very important qualifier: existentially.

Remember my formula for determining the amount of embedded age for something created during the creation week?

Physical Age - Existential Age = Embedded Age

 

[DerelictJunction]

You left out a very important qualifier: existentially.

Remember my formula for determining the amount of embedded age for something created during the creation week?

Physical Age - Existential Age = Embedded Age

Nope. That has nothing to do with the amount of time that has passed since Adam was made. Embedded age means absolutely nothing.

 

[RickG]

You mean Who made him 20 or 30 when he came on the scene?

No, that is not what I said. Where do you get his age when he was made? Source?

 

[SkyWriting]

No, that is not what I said. Where do you get his age when he was made? Source?

You just go by the walking, talking, and naming every kind of animal
in existence. Oh, and he gets the girl. Boys don't choose to spend
much time with girls until a certain age.

 

[SkyWriting]

No. An apple created as fully ripe 5 minutes ago is only 5 minutes old. 5 minutes after he was created, Adam was only 5 minutes old, regardless of how old he looked.

That is sort of true. But to be useful (ripe) it needs to have all the
properties of an "aged" apple. So by examination with an MRI or any testing
you choose, it will have all the properties of something "older."

It would have the appearance of embedded age. Or perhaps it very simply
"aged" in God's mind before he created it. Mis-using Occams ideas, that
is the likely answer.

 

[AV1611VET]

Where do you get his age when he was made? Source?

I just made it up.

Every picture of Adam I've seen, shows him coming on the scene as a 20 or 30 year old.

You NEVER see Adam as a baby, except in scientific literature, where he is referred to as y-Adam.

Which, of course, isn't the same Adam we know.

 

[RickG]

You just go by the walking, talking, and naming every kind of animal
in existence.

Then he is still naming them, I take it.

Oh, and he gets the girl.

I don't think there was much competition for her.

Boys don't choose to spend
much time with girls until a certain age.

 

[AV1611VET]

You just go by the walking, talking, and naming every kind of animal
in existence. Oh, and he gets the girl. Boys don't choose to spend
much time with girls until a certain age.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then he is still naming them, I take it.

Linnaeus took the reigns in that department.

That's why we're all considered Homo.

 

[Loudmouth]

That is sort of true. But to be useful (ripe) it needs to have all the
properties of an "aged" apple. So by examination with an MRI or any testing
you choose, it will have all the properties of something "older."

It would have the appearance of embedded age. Or perhaps it very simply
"aged" in God's mind before he created it. Mis-using Occams ideas, that
is the likely answer.

Are there features that an apple with embedded age would not have? Would an apple created 5 seconds ago have scabbed and healed worm holes? Would a newly created Adam have scars from injuries he never had?

 

[SkyWriting]

Then he is still naming them, I take it.

That was a specific historical account of an event.
Just as it reads. You can also note that he died.
That was bound to happen because of the path he chose.

 

[Loudmouth]

Linnaeus took the reigns in that department.

That's why we're all considered Homo.

That's why we are all considered primates, mammals, and vertebrates.

 

[RickG]

Linnaeus took the reigns in that department.

That's why we're all considered Homo.

You still haven't supported your comment that Adam was 20 or 30 when he was created. I'm curious as how you arrive at that. Maybe from pictures depicting them?

 

[justlookinla]

Then I would say that from the day Adam was made until the day he died was the number of years that the Bible says (930, I think). So, according to a literal reading of Genesis, the universe was 930 years old when Adam died.

No, nothing in Genesis says that the universe was 930 years old when Adam died.