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Ellen said all scripture must be tested against God’s Word. You really don’t need to attack every SDA on here. I love keeping God’s Sabbath and I get my doctrine from the Word of God, His Holy Bible. I’m not going to debate you because its not fruitful. I wish you well. God bless.
 
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That statement is just simply has no truth in it. I have not read everyone of her books. I spend my time in the bible yet I can prove to you from scripture in both the old and new testament that everything that has been shared with you here is indeed biblical and true. What is it you want to discuss with me from the scriptures?
 
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Please start by doing a study of the history of the SDA church. Why was Mrs. White's books required reading in the Adventist schools?
You say my statement has no truth, then you are misinformed regarding how the SDA church started, it started based on her dreams.
What books of hers have your read?
 
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Sorry we agree to disagree. The SDA Church was never started from her dreams.
 
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Welcome Love others, nice to meet you here and welcome to CF! Happy Sabbath
 
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A problem with your story is mormons aka Latter Day Saints have similar stories to claim Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and that the Book of Mormon is God's Word or inspired.

Have you read the studies on Mrs White copying a lot of her writings from other people?
 
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Welcome Love Others and Happy Sabbath! Thanks for sharing and hope the posters at CF offer you a warm welcome. God bless
 
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Your post is misleading trying to put the writings of EGW on the same level as Joseph Smith and that the Book of Mormon as the word of God. How much is a lot of her writing that were taken from others? You give the impression here that most of her work was taken from others. Is that true? What is it in her writings that you claim are not biblical and why? Let's talk scripture please.
 
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Sorry we agree to disagree. The SDA Church was never started from her dreams.

What was this? What did Ellen say about it?

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When October 23, 1844, dawned and the little group of Millerites huddled in Edson’s farm had managed to check the first outpouring of grief, Edson led the way to his barn. Here they gathered and spent the morning in prayer. After this season of prayer, Edson, accompanied by his friend Owen Crosier, decided to make a trip across his cornfield. They wanted to visit some of their Millerite neighbors and encourage them. As they were making their way across the field Edson stopped short and seemed to stare straight ahead. Puzzled, Crosier pulled to an abrupt stop behind him calling out “Brother Edson, what are you stopping for?”

To which Edson replied, “God is answering our morning prayer, giving light regarding our disappointment”. Edson later explained that as he was walking he felt as if a hand was laid on his shoulder and he seemed to have a vision of the heavenly sanctuary where he saw that Jesus had that very day entered into the Most Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary to begin the work of judgment.

Crosier and Edson along with their friend and neighbor Franklin B. Hahn spent the next several weeks and months poring over their Bibles studying the themes of the sanctuary and judgment. In March of 1845, they published their findings in a small paper called “The Day Dawn”. Coriser, being a school teacher, wrote the article while Edson and his wife sold their best silverware to raise money to fund the publication and Hahn had the material published."
Hiram Edson: The Farmer In The Cornfield | Lineage

"Bates preached about the Sabbath and James White expounded Christ in the sanctuary. Two visions given to Ellen White resolved the differences so that the meeting ended in unity."
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When they came to the point in their study where they said, “We can do nothing more,” the Spirit of
the Lord would come upon me, I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explanation of the passages we had
been studying would be given me; with instruction as to how we were to labor and teach effectively. Thus
light was given that helped us to understand the scriptures in regard to Christ, His mission, and His
priesthood. A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God, was made
plain to me, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given me” (1 Selected Messages, 206-207).
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https://www.andrews.edu/~jmoon/Documents/GSEM_534/Class_outline/07.pdf

"a. Studied the Scriptures until they reached the limits of their ability to understand the available evidence. b. “When they came to the point in their study where they said, ‘We can do nothing more,’ the Spirit of the Lord would come upon [Ellen White, she] would be taken off in vision, and a clear explanation of the passages we had been studying would be given” (1SM, 206-207)."

"Some Maine Sabbathkeepers in 1847-48 cited the KJV of Matt. 28:1 in support of beginning the Sabbath at sunrise, but a vision of Ellen White in 1848 refuted this."

"More comprehensive study disproved the interpretive assumptions. 6. Two persons reasoned that the church’s past practice had been blessed by God, hence must be correct. 7. Graciously, the Holy Spirit sent additional evidence in the form of a vision that confirmed the results of the comprehensive Bible study."

https://www.andrews.edu/~jmoon/Documents/GSEM_534/Class_outline/07.pdf

"3. There was a notable reason why she did not know how to refute his error. a. Later she wrote that “During this whole time I could not understand the reasoning of the brethren. My mind was locked, as it were, and I could not comprehend the meaning of the Scriptures we were studying. This was one of the greatest sorrows of my life. I was in this condition of mind until all the principal points of our faith were made clear to our minds, in harmony with the Word of God. The brethren knew that when not in vision, I could not understand these matters, and they accepted as light direct from heaven the revelations given. “For two or three years my mind continued to be locked to an understanding of the Scriptures. In the course of our labors, my husband and I visited Father Andrews [J. N. Andrews’ father], who was suffering intensely with inflammatory rheumatism. We prayed for him. I laid my hands on his head, and said, ‘Father Andrews, the Lord Jesus maketh thee whole.’ He was healed instantly. He got up, and walked about the room, praising God and saying, ‘I never saw it on this wise before. Angels of God are in this room.’ The glory of the Lord was revealed. Light seemed to shine all through the house, and an angel’s hand was laid upon my head. From that time to this I have been able to understand the Word of God” (1 SM 207, emphasis added). b. The healing of Father Andrews took place in D"

"While those around her were curiously documenting her outward behavior, she herself was “lost to earthly things.” When the vision was over and she again became aware of her surroundings, she told the group that her “accompanying angel” had explained “some of the errors of those present, and also the truth in contrast with their errors.”"
https://www.andrews.edu/~jmoon/Documents/GSEM_534/Class_outline/07.pdf

use find vision
 
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Thank you for sharing your testimony. Welcome to CF and Happy Sabbath!
 
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None of which are saying what your claiming here that the SDA Church was started because of the dreams of EGW right? You do know that the context to those quotes are from 1844 not 1863 when the SDA church was started right? Your spreading misinformation.
 
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The church didn't form until 1863. The church grew out of the Millerite movement, which was world-wide.

"While Ellen White strongly supported the move toward organization, it was James White who, throughout the controversies surrounding the proposed organization in the 1850s and early 1860s, appeared as the more vocal proponent of the need for organization. It appears that at that early date the church understood his wife’s role to be more advisory than definitive."—Encyclopedia of Seventh-Day Adventists
 
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