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Question for Sabbatarians

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by godenver1, Jul 10, 2019.

  1. Shimshon

    Shimshon Well-Known Member

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    In fact the whole reason the Sabbath is holy is because God had stopped creating. Nothing was created on the seventh day. God rested from his creations.

    This is the reason it is holy, God commanded nothing on that day except to be like him and do nothing in and of ourselves. And even this command is given only to Israel as a nation through Moses.

    To focus on the day of observation is to blur the fulness of the Sabbath in us through faith in Yeshua. We are all commanded to lay down our own lives for the sake of Him and others. As priests we don't live this life for ourselves nor are we called to work for our salvation. We rest in faith that the Messiah is working all things on our behalf.
     
  2. BNR32FAN

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    God didn’t say the 7th day of the week. He said 6 days do you have to work and rest on the 7th day.
     
  3. mmksparbud

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    You can play your word games with someone else. God never said A 7thy day. It is called THE 7th day which came after the 6th day if creation and God means that day and it is called a variation of the Sabbath in over 10 languages. He certainly never said any other day.
    The Jews, as God Himself counted the days, keep their days from sundown to sundown. The Sabbath is from sundown Fri. night to sundown Saturday night. You can keep whatever day you want. It is God that decides what day is holy and He said which one at creation.
     
  4. BNR32FAN

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    God didn’t give Moses the commandment to keep the Sabbath until over 2,000 years after creation. The Jews did not count the days since creation.
     
  5. mmksparbud

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    If you do not want to keep it---then don't. God doesn't force anyone to do as He says. He didn't put up fence around the that tree, either. You need not argue with me about it. You will get to explain yourself to God when He asks---"What part of "remember" did you not understand?"

    It was day 1 through day 7--that is how it was counted---that is how God set it up--sundown to sundown.

    Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

    It was made for man--not for the Jews.

    There were no Jews til after Abraham---the sabbath was observed before God gave it at Zion. The manna came before the commandments were given--and there was no manna on the 7th day. The commandment to not murder was not given until Mt. Zion. Are you saying it was OK to murder before that? Is it OK to murder now since the commandment only went to the Jews? None of the commandments were given before Mt. Zion so according to you everything was no sin before that and everything is no sin since the crucifixion.

    1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    Where there is no law there is no sin. So according to you there could not have been any sin before the commandments were given, and there can be no sin now since you say the law has been done away with.
    Yet Cain sinned---

    Gen_4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

    You don't need an excuse to disobey God---just don't do what He says---simple.
     
  6. pasifika

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    Sorry I disagree...if you read John1:1-14 again you will find that the " WORD" has to become flesh, so He was Not A Man during the creation...

    John 1:14..."The Word BECAME FLESH and made His dwelling among us...

    He (The Word) was a Spirit just like the Father But He has to become a man (flesh)
    in form of Jesus of Nazareth for our sake (Redemption ).
     
  7. pasifika

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    Hello, Matthew 22:40 is All about LOVE...love for God First then our neighbors as ourselves..
    I think the main question here for us is " how can we love God?
    We love God by believing in His Son "that is Faith " John 16:27..
    Believing from our heart that He(Christ) comes from God, because through that belief we live our lives according to what God wants of us...

    So the commandments for us is to "Believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and to LOVE one another as He commanded us" 1John 3:23...

    Whoever lives in Love lives in God, and God in them 1John 4:16...

    This Love does NOT come by the law given through Moses but by Faith in Christ Jesus...

    He The law given through Moses requires "WORKS" your own work..Galatians 3:12..the person who DOES these things will live by them

    But the Law of Christ (Spirit )...requires "Faith" Romans 3:27..


    Romans 3:27...Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires Works? NO!!!!
    Because of the law that requires FAITH...
     
  8. mmksparbud

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    I never said He was a man during creation. Jesus was and always will be God. He became human at the incarnation , He kept His divinity and keeps it still and He also keeps His humanity--and all His scars.
     
  9. mmksparbud

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    And who said anything different?
    Rom_5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Rom_6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    Rom_6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
    We keep His commandments because we are saved, not in order to be saved. Thoi9se who love the Lord want to do what He says.
     
  10. pasifika

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    Hello, what commandments? If you say is the 10 commandments then no One will be justify...because the law (Moses) is not Based on FAITH...This is very important thing to remember Galatians 3:12
     
  11. pasifika

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    Hello, Jesus is the incarnation of the Word...that incarnation was not happen at creation...
     
  12. mmksparbud

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    Well, then---don't keep them.

    Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    Is there any unrepentant sinner that will enter into the presence of God?
     
  13. mmksparbud

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    And who said it did???
     
  14. pasifika

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    Hello, living in Faith is not living in sin...as it says Romans 14:23...and everything that does NOT come FAITH is sin...
    All Christians must be under the law of Christ, the law that requires FAITH...

    Remember: The law (given through Moses ) is based on works...
    But,
    The law of Christ requires FAITH...

    As it says in 1Corinthians 9:21..." though I am not free from God's law But am under Christ Law....

    Please don't mixed up by the law (through Moses) and the law of Christ (Spirit )...they both testify of the Righteousness of God, But that Righteousness can Only received into Us by the Law of Christ the law that requires FAITH. ..
     
  15. pasifika

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    Hello, you mentioned in your post#17..."Jesus created the world "...
     
  16. mmksparbud

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    Jesus created everything--

    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Do you disagree with the scriptures?
     
  17. pasifika

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    Hello, The passage said is the "WORD"...Before He was incarnated...
    I agree with the scripture but we have to understand more in order to believe...
    According to John 1:3 you quoted is referring to Christ the "Word"..this is a "Spirit "
    John 9-14...referring to the Word become Flesh (body) that's in the form of Jesus of Nazareth...

    To put this together is the Body(flesh )with the Spirit...
    Jesus Christ... (Jesus the body, Christ the Spirit )
     
  18. mmksparbud

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    Are you under the impression that that Jesus was not the Son of God until He became human? Jesus created everything--before He became human. What is you problem with that?
     
  19. pasifika

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    Hello, what I'm saying is Christ is the Word and He is a Spirit just like God the Father is a Spirit...
    So when Christ (the Spirit ) came into to this world He appeared in the form of Jesus...hence the name JESUS CHRIST...
     
  20. pasifika

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    Put it this way, One being from One form to another (Spirit to Mankind)
     
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