Question for Catholics

[Catholic Christian]

Only earth bound living people.

Not dead people... as they can't hear prayer.

People in heaven are not dead, and they can hear us. Read my previous post, number 80

 

[Gary51]

People in heaven are not dead, and they can hear us. Read my previous post, number 80

No need to... What I say is fact.

 

[Technocrat2010]

No need to... What I say is fact.

Demonstrate that those in Heaven are not aware of our actions, especially in light of Luke 15:10, for example.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Dead means in hell.
Life means in Heaven.

Read Revelation backwards from the second coming to the start and you will see those who die and are in Heaven will be interested in what goes on on earth.

Especially in light of the fact saints will judge the nations.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Only earth bound living people.

Not dead people... as they can't hear prayer.

Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. For example, in Revelation 5:8, John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.

Heb 12: 22-24 says that as we approach God, Jesus and the angels, we also approach "the spirits of righteous men made perfect". In other words, THE SAINTS

 

[Catholic Christian]

hey, I think I won one

 

[Gary51]

Demonstrate that those in Heaven are not aware of our actions, especially in light of Luke 15:10, for example.

There is no one in heaven.

Other than Elijah and Enoch, can you name anyone in heaven?

And while you're at it, can you give one name that is burning in hell?

 

[Catholic Christian]

To those of you who believe pray to saints or Mary, can you give me reasons, or Scriptural support of this?

I don't understand this practice. It seems to contradicts Christianity.

Can anyone explain this to me?

To address the OP, I will again illustrate a point:

1. When did Jesus tell the Apostles to write the New Testament? He didn't, according to the Bible.
2. When did Jesus specifically use the word, "Trinity"? He didn't, according to the Bible.

So when people ask "when did Jesus tell us to pray to Mary", and other similar questions, my reply is "He didn't, and it doesn't matter." The point is that there are Biblical "principals" on which Christian teachings are based. Not everything is “specifically” stated in black and white in the Scriptures. As I said, the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible but most Christians believe in the Trinity.

So, what about prayer to Mary and the saints in heaven? Those in heaven pray with us and for us, as in the book of Revelation when John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). A prayer is a request. When we pray to Mary and the saints in heaven, we are asking them to pray for us, the same way non-Catholic Christians ask their friends or family to pray for them.
Question: When you ask your friends or family to pray for you, does that take away from Jesus or his role as mediator? Of course not, and neither does praying to our brother and sisters in heaven. Because he is the only God-man and the Mediator of the New Covenant, Jesus is the only mediator between man and God (1 Tim. 2:5), but this in no way means we cannot or should not ask our fellow Christians to pray with us and for us (1 Tim. 2:1–4). In particular, we should ask the intercession of those Christians in heaven, who have already had their sanctification completed, for "[t]he prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects" (Jas. 5:16). The family of God transcends death: You are still a Christian even when you are in heaven, and you can still pray for your brothers and sisters when you are there. Catholics believe Jesus when he says, "He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive" (Luke 20:38).

Hebrews 12: 22-24 says that as we approach God, Jesus and the angels, we also approach "the spirits of righteous men made perfect". In other words, THE SAINTS. "But they can't hear us" you may say. Wrong. As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. For example, in Revelation 5:8, John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.

I invite you to read this a better explanation:
>http://www.catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp

 

[Gary51]

The thing is Mary is dead, so your wasting your time.

 

[Catholic Christian]

There is no one in heaven.

Nice

Other than Elijah and Enoch, can you name anyone in heaven?

Moses. Remember? That guy who showed up at the transfiguration? And how about the spirits that were in prison that Christ preached to (1 Peter 3:19).

And while you're at it, can you give one name that is burning in hell?

I'll leave that to you, since you seem better suited to judging people than I am.

 

[Gary51]

Nice



Moses. Remember? That guy who showed up at the transfiguration? And how about the spirits that were in prison that Christ preached to (1 Peter 3:19).



I'll leave that to you, since you seem better suited to judging people than I am.

The transfiguration was not a literal event... it was a vision.

Jesus said, "Tell no one of this vision"

 

[Catholic Christian]

There is no one in heaven.

Hebrews 12: 22-24: "But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant..."


So, in heaven, we have angels, Jesus, and the spirits of righteous men made perfect.

TIP: Do try to read your Bible a little more carefully, Gary

 

[Catholic Christian]

The transfiguration was not a literal event... it was a vision.

I see: So we have a "vision" of one person who is in heaven, and one who is not. Ooookay, if you say so.

 

[Gary51]

Hebrews 12: 22-24: "But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant..."


So, in heaven, we have angels, Jesus, and the spirits of righteous men made perfect.

TIP: Do try to read your Bible a little more carefully, Gary

How does that change the fact the tranfiguration was a vision?

And did I not say name anyone other than Elijah and Enoch. Which you can not do.

Just like you can not give one name of anyone burning in hell.

 

[Tdigaetano]

These forms really become hard on Catholics because for what ever reason people won't open their eyes to what we really believe then continue to spread lies and evil to those who are seeking the truth.

A bad person may steal and kill.... however an evil man may do none of these things instead the evil person is one who seeks to destroy good in others, by corrupting the youth and trying to destroy both faith and morals.

 

[LLWHA]

however an evil man may do none of these things instead the evil person is one who seeks to destroy good in others, by corrupting the youth and trying to destroy both faith and morals.

Sounds just like catholic priests to me.

 

[MrPolo]

How does that change the fact the tranfiguration was a vision

Actually, what Jesus said was, "Do not tell the vision to anyone until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead." That means don't tell anyone what you saw until after the Resurrection. Mt. 1:2 says "And he was transfigured before them". There is no indication that this was some sort of hallucination.

 

[Gary51]

Actually, what Jesus said was, "Do not tell the vision to anyone until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead." That means don't tell anyone what you saw until after the Resurrection. Mt. 1:2 says "And he was transfigured before them". There is no indication that this was some sort of hallucination.

My point is because Jesus said, "tell no one of this vision" what happened was a vision not a real literal event.

 

[Athanasias]

The transfiguration was not a literal event... it was a vision.

Jesus said, "Tell no one of this vision"

Who says visions cannot be literal or real. If you have a vision of God or a angel like Mary and Joesph did was that not a real event that literally happened? Your grasping at straws here,

 

[WarriorAngel]

The vision in this case...meant that the APostles 'saw' the men in Heaven speaking to Christ. [The few who were taken up]
Aand if it was just a vision...[as you are trying to suggest] that was an illusion...then why did Peter desire to set up three tents??

Evidently Peter saw them quite clearly and didnt feel they were a viision, hence his idea to provide them shelter.