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Then why are you comparing someone using his vocal chords, to someone not using his vocal chords?
Remember saying this?
If the guy in that statement states there is no God, what's the difference, should he not state it, but doesn't believe it?
In other words, if he doesn't state it, but finds himself in a situation where he wants to, are you saying he will state otherwise?
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You're just being pedantic and playing semantics.
The person also doesn't believe that there is no God. I don't believe in God but I don't claim that there is no God and nor do I believe it. So because this is apparently hard for you in its previous wording, I'll change and update it:
There is a difference between someone who believes that there is no God and someone else who simply does not believe in God but does not go so far to claim there is no God as the former does.
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So the 2nd person in this equation is one step behind the 1st person, right?
If asked: YES or NO, does God exist? will the 1st person answer NO, and the 2nd person answer I DON'T KNOW?
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lol
The distinction between atheism, agnosticism, and theism is not a difficult distinction to make. Surely if you have trouble with this distinction maybe you should go away and have a look at it before debating more difficult concepts...
The distinction between atheism, agnosticism, and theism is not a difficult distinction to make. Surely if you have trouble with this distinction maybe you should go away and have a look at it before debating more difficult concepts...
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And yet they're both atheists?
Would what? answer NO or I DON'T KNOW?
So a person can be both an atheist and an agnostic?
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Just a passing thought: believing in Satan must make films like The Exorcist and The Omen very compelling viewing. I tend to find that genre a bit cartoonish and silly because I don't believe in the basic premise, but if you're truly convinced that Satan is lurking behind every corner waiting to do unspeakable things to you, they must scare your socks off. It explains why so many American horror movies have the devil or demons in them; it's not surreal fantasy to them, it's diabolical reality. Crikey!
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Which one of us are you talking to? I have clear-cut, well-defined distinctions among the three.
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Well, for the record, Satan is neither an atheist, nor an agnostic; so guess which one that leaves?
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Yes they are. One is a strong atheist, the other an agnostic atheist.
I would answer I don't know. I may not believe in God but I do not say or believe that a God does not exist.
Yes. I just explained that and I am sure I've explained that to you before. I am myself both an atheist and an agnostic.
You'll be surprised to learn that you can also be an agnostic theist.
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[none of my business] What do you think of Mr. Pedantic? [/none of my business]
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Nobody in general. It was just a suggestion. But since you asked:
Agnosticism (from Latin "ab" + "gnoscere", 'to know') is a belief that the existence of a deity is unknowable.
Theism (from Greek "theos", "a god or deity") is a belief in god(s).
Atheism (from above) is an absence of belief in god. It is not a belief in the non-existence of god. Yes, there is a difference. Some atheists take their belief further, so they have a negative belief in god, but this is a subset of the broader definition.
Note that agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. If you believe that the presence of a deity is unknowable, and that there is no current evidence to validate the need or presence of a god (as I basically do) then you are both atheist and agnostic.
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Anyway, pertaining to the original post:
I don't consider myself a sinner. Don't believe in the notion of sin as it is a purely religious concept or if true, a taint I have no control over and no recognition or scapegoating of that will relinquish my weakness from it. I wouldn't additionally worship or esteem reverence onto a being that would allow me to come to harm for not. That is fascism and totalitarianism rolled together and your attempt at preaching is poor religious hucksterism.Lillen said:
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As if that ever stopped you before.
As to the OP, no, I do not consider myself a sinner.
As to the rest, would you be worried if I said one day you would be standing before Xylta and have to answer for being a typter? Why not?
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