Question about SDA

[statrei]

I didn't ask what was right. I asked a very different question that has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Frankly speaking, I think SDA has several incorrect theologies or else I would be SDA. (Christians gravitate to whatever you think is most Scriptural.) I am asking how divergent SDA can get and still be considered under the most liberal terms an SDA.

Now, how do two people completely misinterpret what I said plainly. I said I was waiting for the next shoe to drop. I never said you asked which is right. Whenever more than one entity claims a position the obvious question is Which one is the true one?

Of course, it is obvious that God is not amused and certainly won't spoonfeed us. Not even God can overcome self-deception.

 

[NeverADullMoment]

Well hey, it appears we have someone on the board that knows more than God...so we'll just come to you for answers from now on Statrei.

 

[statrei]

Well hey, it appears we have someone on the board that knows more than God...so we'll just come to you for answers from now on Statrei.

I think you have just deliberately misinterpreted what I posted. This is a violation of the rules. Please correct it.

 

[NeverADullMoment]

I apologize. Sincerely.

It's not necessarily your comments, but the way you present them that puts me on the defensive. I will pray about it.

 

[statrei]

I apologize. Sincerely.

It's not necessarily your comments, but the way you present them that puts me on the defensive. I will pray about it.

Forgiven. Just think. If you can't deal with it when a friend confronts you how will you handle it when your enemies attack?

 

[rnmomof7]

I respectfully disagree that all Davidians are whacked. I'm not Davidian, but they do hold the same fundamental beliefs as we do so even though some of them have gone extreme, we cannot turn our backs on them.



He didn't ask which one was right. I don't think any of our moderators are Adventist, so he's asking what a person can believe in and still be considered Adventist. It's a fair question.

You are correct.

We have all volunteered to be mods here on YOUR forum . I have a basic understanding of much of your doctrine, but not the fine points.

We are basically the law keepers here

But to be fair and to mod correctly we need to have a basic understanding of the normal 'deviations' from SDA doctrine that might be a inside debate or disagreement ( as all churches have) and one that is outside the accepted parameters .

Be patient with us as all of us get more understanding of your doctrinal positions.

 

[TrustAndObey]

rnmomof7, the site PaleHorse posted in his sticky is down at the moment, and it has a very good list of our fundamental beliefs. I know it would take a very long time to look up each individual verse that he listed, so I will post the entire meaning of our beliefs when the site comes back up. I have them here but I can't really take the time to type them all out today.

Until it's back up I will post what is required of all members of the Adventist church to be considered an offical member. Breaking any of these can result in disfellowship from the church and a person can no longer claim the name of Adventist. This is listed under the "My Commitment" section of one's baptismal certificate.

The 28 fundamental beliefs of our church are covered in number 11.

In a nutshell, if a person does not agree to make this commitment (which includes following the 28 fundamental beliefs) they are not Adventist and cannot be baptized into our church. If they choose to be baptized into the church it is required they uphold every single one of these....for this list constitutes the minimum requirement of our members. This is the "bottom line" basically.

I hope this helps!

My Commitment:

1. I believe there is one God; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons.

2. I accept the death of Jesus Christ on Calvary as the atoning sacrifice for my sins and believe that through faith in His shed blood I am saved from sin and its penalty.

3. I renounce the world and its sinful ways, and have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior believing that God, for Christ's sake, has forgiven my sins and given me a new heart.

4. I accept by faith the righteousness of Christ, my Intercessor in the heavenly sanctuary, and accept His promise of transforming grace and power to live a loving, Christ-centered life in my home and before the world.

5. I believe that the Bible is God's inspired Word, the only rule of faith and practice for the Christian. I covenant to spend time regularly in prayer and Bible study.

6. I accept the Ten Commandments as a transcript of the character of God and a revelation of His will. It is my purpose by the power of the indwelling Christ to keep this law, including the fourth commandment, which requires the observance of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord and the memorial of Creation.

7. I look forward to the soon coming of Jesus and the blessed hope when "this mortal shall put on immortality." As I prepare to meet the Lord, I will witness to His loving salvation, and by life and word help others to be ready for His glorious appearing.

8. I accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church.

9. I believe in church organization. It is my purpose to support the church by my tithes and offerings and by my personal effort and influence.

10. I believe that my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit; and will honor God by caring for it, avoiding the use of that which is harmful; abstaining from all unclean foods; from the use, manufacture, or sale of alcoholic beverages; the use, manufacture, or sale of tobacco in any of its forms for human consumption; and from the misuse of or trafficking in narcotics or other drugs.

11. I know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day Adventist church. I propose, by the grace of God, to fulfill His will by ordering my life in harmony with these principles.

12. I accept the New Testament teaching of baptism by immersion and desire to be so baptized as a public expression of faith in Christ and His forgiveness of my sins.

13. I accept and believe that the Seventh-day Adventist church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy and that people of every nation, race, and language are invited and accepted into its fellowship. I desire to be a member of this local congregation of the world church.

 

[SassySDA]

Thanks Lainie, that was great.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Thanks

 

[happywiththelord]

Amen Trust and Obey!! That is what every SDA agrees to!! Thanks for posting that!!! That should clear up things.

 

[StormyOne]

Amen Trust and Obey!! That is what every SDA agrees to!! Thanks for posting that!!! That should clear up things.

Not every..... I believe that the adventist church is PART of the remnant, NOT The remnant church.... To suggest we are THE remnant means everyone must be a part of us to be in heaven which is a bold assumption. Additionally it would suggest that all who belong to the adventist church will be in heaven, which is also a bold assumption....

 

[happywiththelord]

Stormy, are you SDA?

 

[StormyOne]

Stormy, are you SDA?

Ummm yep... born and bred... through and through.....

 

[TrustAndObey]

Not every..... I believe that the adventist church is PART of the remnant, NOT The remnant church.... To suggest we are THE remnant means everyone must be a part of us to be in heaven which is a bold assumption. Additionally it would suggest that all who belong to the adventist church will be in heaven, which is also a bold assumption....

Whoa, whoa, whoa....some of the things you just said are completely untrue.

The statement does not say that we are the only members of the remnant, nor does it say that we are the complete remnant. Adventists believe God's people are in EVERY denomination.

The Bible does a fine job of defining who is a member of the remnant church. Those that keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. If other denominations do this, then they are indeed a remnant, as we are.


I'm confused.....did you not receive a baptismal certificate before joining the Adventist church Stormy? Because if you did, you agreed that YOU would keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. What is the Biblical defintion of the testimony of Jesus Christ?

By the way, I hate to be a stickler for the rules, but we still have an issue with your icon. It's the rules, none of us can break them. Please do not debate with us until this matter is cleared up. I guess in order to change your icon, it has been determined that you have to PM a moderator and explain the situation (I guess that feature is there so that people can't go to different non-debate areas and change their icon for different forums just to debate....I'm not sure).

 

[happywiththelord]

Thanks Stormy! I wasnt sure. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[StormyOne]

Whoa, whoa, whoa....some of the things you just said are completely untrue.

The statement does not say that we are the only members of the remnant, nor does it say that we are the complete remnant. Adventists believe God's people are in EVERY denomination.

The Bible does a fine job of defining who is a member of the remnant church. Those that keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. If other denominations do this, then they are indeed a remnant.


I'm confused.....did you not receive a baptismal certificate before joining the Adventist church Stormy? Because if you did, you agreed that YOU would keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. What is the Biblical defintion of the testimony of Jesus Christ?

By the way, I hate to be a stickler for the rules, but we still have an issue with your icon. It's the rules, none of us can break them. Please do not debate with us until this matter is cleared up. I guess in order to change your icon, it has been determined that you have to PM a moderator and explain the situation (I guess that feature is there so that people can't go to different non-debate areas and change their icon for different forums just to debate....I'm not sure).

That's just it... I am not debating... I am responding to questions and sharing what I believe...In the thread entitled "Who is an Adventist" I covered my pedigree...... I was baptized at 9, and yes I received a baptismal certficate...

As for the icon... I am christian and I am sda, is there some reason you wish for me to conform, wearing the same clothes, talking the same talk that you do? Are we not a group of vibrant, individuals, with different gifts to edify the body of Christ? God does not need robots....

Lastly, even if I had the "correct" icon, if the folks here didn't like what I posted efforts would be made to ban me... so its a no win situation....

Perhaps this forum is not interested in discussion but something else... if that's the case tell me now so I can keep my questions to myself lest I be disfellowshipped....

 

[StormyOne]

Stormy, are you SDA?

yes I am adventist (baptized at 9), as were my parents, and their parents (on my father's side), and their parents (paternal great grandmother), who knew egw and kellogg and other pioneers... My great grandmother was Lottie C. Blake who was a medical missionary doctor, the 1st black adventist woman to be a medical missionary doctor. Kellogg helped finance some of her education so its told... I went through adventist grade school, academy and college. In fact studied religion/theology in college. So yes, I am more adventist than many can "boast." As an adventist I have earned the right to ask any question I want regarding adventism...

 

[TrustAndObey]

That's just it... I am not debating... I am responding to questions and sharing what I believe...In the thread entitled "Who is an Adventist" I covered my pedigree...... I was baptized at 9, and yes I received a baptismal certficate...

As for the icon... I am christian and I am sda, is there some reason you wish for me to conform, wearing the same clothes, talking the same talk that you do? Are we not a group of vibrant, individuals, with different gifts to edify the body of Christ? God does not need robots....

Lastly, even if I had the "correct" icon, if the folks here didn't like what I posted efforts would be made to ban me... so its a no win situation....

Perhaps this forum is not interested in discussion but something else... if that's the case tell me now so I can keep my questions to myself lest I be disfellowshipped....

Stormy, we are not robots and we all bring different gifts to edify the body of Christ, correct.

However, I did not make the rules about the icons. A moderator has already posted to verify that you have to have the icon in order to debate. The rules are posted before our individual threads.

Let me post the one about debating.

Please Read before Posting


Non 7th Day Adventists members (eg. Catholic,Charasmatic, Weselyan, Lutheran, etc... members) can post fellowship posts here or posts to ask a question regarding Adventist doctrine.

Once the question is answered, there shall be no debate over the answer in this forum by the non Adventist members. Any debate posts by Non Adventists members will be deleted or moved to the appropriate forum. In other words, only Adventists members can debate here. There will be NO trolling or arguing with the Forums members. Staff action will be swift in removing those posts and possible warnings issued .

It is next to impossible to verify if anyone claiming to be Adventist, is. About the only way of telling is our fundamental beliefs. You obviously agreed to them at some point to become a member of the Adventist church, am I wrong? You agreed to the baptismal requirements, so if you didn't agree with it then you should've discussed it with your pastor, not with us.

There's a reason I'm asking you about the testimony of Jesus Christ, can you please just answer me?

 

[StormyOne]

Stormy, we are not robots and we all bring different gifts to edify the body of Christ, correct.

However, I did not make the rules about the icons. A moderator has already posted to verify that you have to have the icon in order to debate. The rules are posted before our individual threads.

Let me post the one about debating.

Please Read before Posting


Non 7th Day Adventists members (eg. Catholic,Charasmatic, Weselyan, Lutheran, etc... members) can post fellowship posts here or posts to ask a question regarding Adventist doctrine.

Once the question is answered, there shall be no debate over the answer in this forum by the non Adventist members. Any debate posts by Non Adventists members will be deleted or moved to the appropriate forum. In other words, only Adventists members can debate here. There will be NO trolling or arguing with the Forums members. Staff action will be swift in removing those posts and possible warnings issued .

It is next to impossible to verify if anyone claiming to be Adventist, is. About the only way of telling is our fundamental beliefs. You obviously agreed to them at some point to become a member of the Adventist church, am I wrong? You agreed to the baptismal requirements, so if you didn't agree with it then you should've discussed it with your pastor, not with us.

There's a reason I'm asking you about the testimony of Jesus Christ, can you please just answer me?

I can give you chapter and verse.... Rev 12:17, Rev 19:10... the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy... The spirit of prophecy is the Holy Spirit.... we believe that egw had the gift of prophecy... there is a significant difference between having the gift and the one who gives the gift......

 

[smooze]

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