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Question about Genesis, Adam and Eve.

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Lapinot, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. Doug Melven

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    Gen 2:17 This is what God said. You will not find the word "touch" here.
    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Gen 3:3 What Eve told the serpent, notice what she added.
    But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT, lest ye die.
    Whether she added it on her own, or Adam told it to her this way, one of them added to God's Word.
     
  2. Edison Trent

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    I can kind of see your point, but is that really adding to God's words, if God said thou shalt not eat from it, how does a person eat from it unless they touch it with either a hand or ones mouth, to eat is to bring the friut to the lips then teeth chew on it then swallow the friut thus eat it.
     
  3. Edison Trent

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    Thinking about that, I can surely see your view on it, yes they could have been able to touch the friut and not eat it, now to who wrote the book I don't think Eve did, so either God inspired the writer to add that or man did that on his own.
     
  4. Doug Melven

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    Neither Adam or Eve wrote the book, but God inspired the writer to accurately record what happened and what was said.
     
  5. Edison Trent

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    then you are correct, God said they could touch it but don't eat it, and eve said don't touch it nor eat it.

    Kind of makes sense be wise as serpents but don't be as serpents. We can learn about evil but don't practice evil.
     
  6. Ron Gurley

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    A&E were given the spiritual gift of "free will", a "sin nature" to choose to obey or disobey the will of God. They walked and talked with God in Eden. They knew right from wrong BEFORE they disobeyed and ate. God disciplined His children by casting them from the Garden and denying them the Tree of Eternal Life of their Body / Souls.
     
  7. MyGivenNameIsKeith

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    I believe the intent here was to show that the tree was the dividing factor according to the language. Sort of like the expression, "a fork in the road". They were presented with a choice, physically represented by a tree in the middle of the road. Notably when man was cast out of the garden he is shown to go east. The flaming sword as placed at the east of Eden to guard the way of life. By default saying if you turned back west, there is the way of life. When Cain is separated from his parents, he goes to Nod which is east of Eden. More importantly though, is the fact that this is the center of all choices, actions, and everything. That is, To follow God and obey him, or not.
     
  8. omega2xx

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    They did not have to know what was good and what was evil. They only needed to know what God said---don't eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
     
  9. omega2xx

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    Adam and Eve were not given a sin nature. Otherwise the creation would have been declared "very good,"

    The did not know good or evil. God would teach them that later if they needed to know it.

    They received eternal lie when they confessed their sins and God clothed them completely with garments of a blood sacrifice.
     
  10. omega2xx

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    Disobedience to God is a sin.
     
  11. omega2xx

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    When God says "do" or "don't do" there is law.

    There were 2 laws at that time: Be fruitful and multiply and do not eat from the tree of the knowlege of good and evil.
     
  12. JackRT

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    But only if you know what sin/evil is.
     
  13. omega2xx

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    Pride is as sin whether I know it or not.
     
  14. JackRT

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    In Christian theology sin has three requirements:
    1. it must be an evil --- I think we can agree that disobeying God is an evil
    2. it must be known to be an evil --- without having eaten of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam and Eve were incapable of sin --- of making a mistake? certainly!
    3. it is done anyhow in the full knowledge that it is an evil

    If there was an original sin it must have been something after this event. I regard this story as a "coming of age story" in which humanity graduates from a totally naïve and childish status into mature self reflective adulthood able to make free moral and ethical decisions.
     
  15. yeshuaslavejeff

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    No.
    Unlike people today, most who are taught and encouraged to sin every day and do,
    Adam and Havah (Eve) were perfect, without sin, as created,
    until they fell.
     
  16. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    And quite a fall it is! See how far man has fallen, that on a Christian forum and in Christian churches and schools and countries , people can be taught to sin and to rebel against the Most High Sovereign Creator, and even to slaughter innocents and innocence !
     
  17. mmksparbud

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    They did not have to know sin or evil---to sin is to go against God. He said do not eat---they did. They knew the consequences, He said they would die. A baby need not know why they should not play with matches---they just need to know what the word "NO!" means---and they did. It was pretty simple---do not eat of it. God did not even have to tell them what would happen if they did it, a simple do not eat of it would have sufficed. It is obvious Eve knew exactly what was meant by it for she repeated it to the snake.
    A judge will tell you that ignorance is no excuse. Ignorance of the law will still get you in trouble. The penalty may not be as harsh--but they were not ignorant--they were told not to. Ignorance would have been if God had not told them not to eat of it.
    And God made provision for sins from ignorance with the blood sacrifice.

    Lev 4:27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;
    Lev 4:28 Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.
    Lev 5:15 If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the LORD; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the LORD a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering:
     
  18. JackRT

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    So you keep a loaded gun next to the door and you tell four year old Joey not to touch it. So you look away and Joey disobeys and accidentally kills his mother. Are you going to try him as an adult and have him executed or imprisoned for life? His mistake, although innocent, has already punished him for life.
     
  19. JackRT

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    Not only did they not know what evil or sin was, they also didn't know what death was.
     
  20. mmksparbud

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    So?? They may never had experienced it---but they knew that it meant to cease to exist. And, as has been pointed, they did not have to know any of that to obey. They knew what no meant. Unless, if course, you are of the opinion that God punished them unfairly and He is not a just God.
     
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