Oh, good, because the Bible is clear that there is a hell of punishment.
Well first off, I'm a man. Second off, I was responding to your 1 Peter 3:18-20 quote. Now regarding your butchering of 1 Peter 4:4-6; "They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit". When looked at as a whole it is obvious that 1 Peter 4:4-5 is telling his listeners to have hope because even those that are persecuting them will face judgement one day. 1 Peter 4:6 is referring to the followers who are now dead in the flesh. By your logic 4:6 would essentially be invalidating 4:4-4:5. Eisegesis allows for many interpretations.Dear Faith: My dear girl you must get your order in for new reading glasses! What part of dead is evading you?
"Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit." -Rotherham Emphasized-
Well first off, I'm a man. Second off, I was responding to your 1 Peter 3:18-20 quote. Now regarding your butchering of 1 Peter 4:4-6; .
The risen Christ preaches to the dead
"Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water..... for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."
Bible Verses by Comparison, Read Verses Using All Translations Side by Side
"Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit." -Rotherham Emphasized-
Questions=
1. What does "disobedient" mean?
2. To whom was Jesus Christ preaching?
3. Who are the "dead" to whom Jesus was preaching?
4. What is the outcome?
You're just smashing scriptures together in an attempt to connect things that are not connected.
The horse is dead and so is this conversation
A few thoughts on “decisional regeneration” or the notion that John 3:16 is an ultimatum.
- If we are saved, redeemed, justified, etc. by making a decision, that makes our salvation a partnership. Jesus did His part, now I do must do my portion.
Some maintain that we must decide to accept Christ. His mercy and grace is a gift and it is essential that it be “accepted.” If this is true, then does that mean that the gift you left on the table at the last wedding you attended, was not the bride and grooms gift until they acknowledged or "accepted" it?
If I were mayor of a city, proclaiming that every citizen of that city would receive a tax reduction. Would it be appropriate to apply the reduced tax only to those who "asked" for the reduction?
If a large coast guard rescue boat came back from the site of a sinking ship with twenty three people while their were still seventy five people still in the freezing ocean - would that be considered a successful rescue mission? After all, the seventy five did not ask to be rescued?
Psalm chapter 49 is interesting. I'd like to prove that it shows the wicked go to hell, then outer darkness.
Verse 19
"He shall go to the generation of his fathers;..."
That part I'd say is the first death time, and the destination is where
his wicked dead relatives already are.
Jacob was gathered to his fathers while he was still in bed.
I see this as when the angels carried Lazarus to Abraham type of
a scene.
That verse in Psalm 49 continues...
"....generation of his fathers; they shall never see light."
It went from singular to plural, as if everybody moves to a new
location where they will never see light.
as in =the lake of fire /outer darkness?
verse 17
For when he dieth...his glory shall not descend after him."
/so he descended to his fathers -in hell
Psalm chapter 49 is interesting. I'd like to prove that it shows the wicked go to hell, then outer darkness.
Verse 19
"He shall go to the generation of his fathers;..."
That part I'd say is the first death time, and the destination is where
his wicked dead relatives already are.
Jacob was gathered to his fathers while he was still in bed.
I see this as when the angels carried Lazarus to Abraham type of
a scene.
That verse in Psalm 49 continues...
"....generation of his fathers; they shall never see light."
It went from singular to plural, as if everybody moves to a new
location where they will never see light.
as in =the lake of fire /outer darkness?
verse 17
For when he dieth...his glory shall not descend after him."
/so he descended to his fathers -in hell
God's mercy will be only upon those that love Him.
Do you have a verse on mercy enduring forever? Mercy is generally something you give to people when there is a show of repentance. The wrench in this whole thing is that uni assumes there is an ability to repent after death. This topic is insanely debatable, so I take the stance that it is a moral injustice to act as if it repentance post death is a guarantee. It is essentially a licence to do whatever you want whenever you want and it'll all work out. It tosses out the entire need for the process of sanctification and bearing of the cross. Why would Jesus even bother telling the apostles to go and make disciples if this life was virtually pointless? Almost all of his ministry talked about a cleansing of the self. Why bother? Fortunately, this topic is not a pillar of the faith so we can have opposing positions on it, but seriously imo its a dangerous position that uni has taken and only offers a watered down version of Christianity that is most assuredly no true.Then, there is Psalm 136:
Psalm 136
Here I read (26 times!) this: “…his mercy endureth for ever.” Compare this God of mercy to the Hell theory god, who grants us our precious Free Will, and then when we exercise it badly, even in ignorance, He relegates us to Hell with no chance of reprieve. Compare the real Jesus, Who prayed to His Father for the sinners who were killing Him, to the Jesus of Mary K. Baxter who tells the damned in so many words, “Too bad, you screwed up, and here you are.” (Yes, I did read her book.) For that matter, take a look at the behavior of Jesus’ early followers, in the days when universal reconciliation (or whatever term they used at the time) was orthodoxy, versus the violence, torture, and bloodshed which later set in after the Hell theory became dominant. I know that during this period, entire nations disappeared from history, and others nearly did, for what the Church considered heresy.
You see, gentle reader, either the Hell theory is correct, or God’s mercy endures forever – both cannot be true at the same time. If God’s mercy does endure forever, and I believe it does, then people cannot be sent to eternal torture, whatever excuses some may make for it – burning the wicked to ashes is more merciful, but as we shall see, God has more mercy in store for us than that. Let me say it again, for it bears repeating: universal reconciliation is mercy, annihilation is mercy (sort of), but eternal torture cannot be mercy. Psalm 136 and the Hell theory cannot both be true, and Psalm 136 is true.
That verse in Psalm 49 continues...
"....generation of his fathers; they shall never see light."
It went from singular to plural, as if everybody moves to a new
location where they will never see light.
as in =the lake of fire /outer darkness?
Do you have a verse on mercy enduring forever?
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