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Featured Question about eternal damnation

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by YahEli, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. Der Alter

    Der Alter This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    <CL>The punishment of the Father of all fathers is not merely correction: it is correction that improves, changes, transforms for the better.
    Our God punishes with an objective in view, not as an end in itself!
    There are dual aspects to our Father’s Realm as shown in the following…
    *Tamiym/ 'ymt means to be consumed, destroyed, exhausted and spent, but also to be finished and made sound.
    *Kalal has the same meaning, linking destruction, being spent, exhausted, as well as to be finished and made sound.
    *Tamam, the root word of Tamiym means to be finished, complete, summed up, made whole: linked with to be consumed, exhausted, spent and destroyed.
    *Shalam/ ~IX, another expression of destruction, has the scope of being finished and ended, made good or whole, & being made sound, coupled with to be restored.
    *Shebar, rooted in Shabar, means breakout, and being brought to birth; and underlying new birth and breakout? To be crushed and broken. Again there is dual meaning in our Lord’s words of destruction and re-creation.
    *Chalowph
    The destructive Hebrew word Chalowph is rooted in being altered, renewed, changed, and to sprout again. It should also be noted that this is not just change, but change for the better.
    <CL>
    According to BDB one of, if not, the most highly accredited Hebrew lexicons available none of the words means destroy and restore. To assume that because a word is similar in appearance to or is derived from another word is a lexical fallacy that it means the same thing as the other word is a lexical fallacy..
    • Root fallacy: assigning the (supposed) original meaning of a word to its usages throughout history;

    *תָּמִים [tamym] adj. complete, sound; 1. complete, whole, entire,
    2. whole, sound, healthful,
    3. complete, entire, of time: day
    4. sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity:
    *תָּמַם, תַּם [tamam, tam] vb. be complete, finished 1. be finished, completed;. 2. be finished, come to an end, cease: 3. be complete, of number,. 4. be consumed, exhausted, spent: 5. be finished, consumed, destroyed: people 6. be complete, sound, unimpaired, ethically, 7. twice, very strangely, we have completed 1. finish, complete, perfect,. 2. finish, cease doing. 3. complete, sum up, 4. destroy uncleanness

    *כָּלַל vb. [kalal] complete, perfect complete, finish; 2. complete; is be wearied, fatigued; is a crown, to crown;) to crown, a crown, crowning (of bride), nuptials;
    *שָׁלֵם [shalam] vb. be complete, sound. complete, requite, be safe, secure, free from fault, ii. make over, resign to, iv. resign or submit oneself, be complete, unharmed, be paid; be complete, safe, peaceful; security, welfare, submission, greet, do homage, as loan-word in Egyptian 1. be complete, finished, ended: 2. be sound, uninjured 1. complete, finish, temple 2. make safe, 3. make whole or good, restore thing 4. make good, reward according to one’s works 1. be performed, 2. be repaid, requited,. Hiph. 1. complete, perform:. 2. make an end.
    *שָבַר [shabar] vb. break, break in pieces break, destroy) restrain, destroy;, break, break in pieces
    *חֲלוֹף [chalowph] n.m. a passing away, vanishing
    [1] Brown, F., Driver, S. R., & Briggs, C. A. (1977). Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon (p. 322). Oxford: Clarendon Press.
     
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  2. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

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    And now a word from Jesus Christ>>>>>

    How horrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You lock people out of the kingdom of heaven. You don't enter it yourselves, and you don't permit others to enter when they try."
     
  3. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Take 21

    You, the proponents of damning our Fathers vast majority to damnation will not fill in the blanks.

    Why??

    There is one (1) passage of Canon for "everlasting punishment" (Matt.25:46).

    This one single verse is the cornerstone for the proponents of unending punishment.

    This should be so easy for you!

    According to the context of St. Matthew 25, and ONLY the context, please fill in the empty lines.

    The foundation for "everlasting punishment" Matt. 25=

    1.______________________________________________?

    2.______________________________________________?

    3.______________________________________________?

    4.______________________________________________?

    ________________________________________________?

    “Love knows no limit to its endurance, no end to its trust, no fading of its hope; it can outlast anything. It is, in fact, the one thing that still stands when all else has fallen.” - J.B. Phillips-
     
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  4. Der Alter

    Der Alter This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    <FL>Take 21
    You, the proponents of damning our Fathers vast majority to damnation will not fill in the blanks.
    Why??
    There is one (1) passage of Canon for "everlasting punishment" (Matt.25:46).
    This one single verse is the cornerstone for the proponents of unending punishment.
    This should be so easy for you!
    According to the context of St. Matthew 25, and ONLY the context, please fill in the empty lines.
    The foundation for "everlasting punishment" Matt. 25=
    1._____________________________________________________________?
    2._____________________________________________________________?
    3._____________________________________________________________?
    4._____________________________________________________________?
    5._____________________________________________________________?<FL>
    Jesus taught about,
    • “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:Matthew 25:41
    • "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
    • "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, Mark 9:43-48"
    • "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
    • “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.Matthew 18:6
    • “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Matthew 7:23
    • “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. Matthew 26:24
    • “But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.” Luke 10:12
    In Matt. 18:6, 26:24 and Luk 10:12, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a punishment worse than death or nonexistence. A punishment worse than death without mercy is also mentioned in Hebrews 10:28-31.
    Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
    31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
    Jesus is quoted as using the word death 17 times in the gospels, if He wanted to say eternal death in Matt 25:46, that is what He would have said but He didn’t, He said “eternal punishment.” The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, they knew that everybody died; rich, poor, young, old, good, bad, men, women, children, infants and knew that it had nothing to do with punishment and was permanent.
    …..Concerning “punishment” one early church father wrote,

    “‘Then these reap no advantage from their punishment, as it seems: moreover, I would say that they are not punished unless they are conscious of the punishment.” Justin Martyr [A.D. 110-165.] Dialogue with Trypho Chapter 4
    …..
     
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  5. FineLinen

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    And now a word from Jesus Christ, the atonement for our sins & the sins of the whole world. He is the hilasmos of the holos! >>>>>

    How horrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You lock people out of the kingdom of heaven. You don't enter it yourselves, and you don't permit others to enter when they try."
     
  6. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Another words, Annihilation?
     
  7. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

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    "Judgment without mercy"=

    "For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment."

    Justice -George MacDonald-

    Unspoken Sermons by George MacDonald: Justice

    "Also unto You, O Lord, belongs mercy; for You render to every man according to his work."

    Some of the translators make it kindness and goodness; but I presume there is no real difference among them as to the character of the word which here, in the English Bible, is translated mercy.

    The religious mind, however, educated upon the theories yet prevailing in the so-called religious world, must here recognize a departure from the presentation to which they have been accustomed: to make the psalm speak according to prevalent theoretic modes, the verse would have to be changed thus:--

    To You, O Lord, belongs justice, for You render to every man according to his work.
     
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  8. lsume

    lsume Our 3 year old grandson who turned 3 today Supporter

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    When I was awakened by Christ, I quickly came to understand that hell is the absence of God The Father. Also, when the definition of sin is doing something that is contrary to the Word of God, striving to be obedient is what Christians want to do. The only hope of being found obedient is having Christ guide you in all of your ways. In John 1:9, everyone who is born knows right from wrong. Do you pray for Christ to bless you and keep you? Or do you not care? I am certainly not the judge thank God, and Christ Himself is as shown in Isaiah 11:3.

    Isa.11
    1. [3] And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
    Unfortunately as I now sense it, The Word of God in John 9:4 describes the current reality. The enemy has done more to infiltrate most all media.

    John.9
    1. [4] I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
    Please pray not to be offended at The Word as it is the only way we can begin our journey to be made like Christ. He is the Firstborn among many.
     
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  9. marineimaging

    marineimaging Texas Baptist with attitude

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    We are either created as slaves or beings of free will and in that sense, in order for free will to exist there must be an opposite. Also, Light > Dark, Hot > Cold, East > West, Good > Evil. There also then is eternal existence with God > eternal existence without God, hence damnation. YOU choose what your existence will be.
     
  10. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

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    NONSENCE!

     
  11. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Every one of us must answer the following questions>>>

    As we are required to love our enemies, may we not safely infer that God loves His enemies? (Matt. 5:44)

    If God loves His enemies, will He punish them more than will be for their good?

    Would endless punishment be for the good of any being?

    As God loves His friends, if He loves His enemies also, are not all mankind the objects of His love?

    If God loves those only who love Him, what better is He than the sinner? (Luke 6:32-33)

    As "love thinks no evil," can God design the ultimate evil of a single soul? (1 Cor. 13:5)

    As "love works no ill," can God inflict, or cause, or allow to be inflicted, an endless ill? (Rom. 13:10)

    As we are forbidden to be overcome by evil, can we safely suppose that God will be overcome by evil? (Rom. 12:21)

    Would not the infliction of endless punishment prove that God HAD been overcome by evil?

    If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the same?

    Would not endless punishment be the return of evil for evil?

    As we are commanded "to overcome evil with good," may we not safely infer that God will do the same? (Rom. 12:21)

    Would the infliction of endless punishment be overcoming evil with good?

    If God hates the sinner, does the sinner do wrong in hating Him?

    Is God a changeable being? (James 1:17)

    If God loves His enemies now, will he not always love them?

    Is it just for God to be "kind to the evil and unthankful," in their present life? (Luke 6:35)

    Would it be unjust for God to be kind to all men in a future state?

    -Questions requiring answers by A.C. Thomas-
     
  12. Lazarus Short

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    Best not fall into the trap of dualistic thinking. Light versus Dark? Dark is just an absence of Light. And so on.
     
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