Jesus is absolutely the savior of all men, but that doesnt mean all men will be saved.
that does not make any sense.
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Jesus is absolutely the savior of all men, but that doesnt mean all men will be saved.
Ok, well im done conversating about universalism. Its not biblical and its quite dangerous to spread. Keep the focus on Christ and let him be the judge. Who cares about the rest
this statement has already been dealt with. was not referring to peopleMe and Jesus care about the rest. Jesus died for them, he loves them and cares for them so we should also.
makes perfect sense. there is one way to salvation, but not all will be saved. salvation is a choice
that does not make any sense.
Do you have a verse on mercy enduring forever? Mercy is generally something you give to people when there is a show of repentance. The wrench in this whole thing is that uni assumes there is an ability to repent after death. This topic is insanely debatable, so I take the stance that it is a moral injustice to act as if it repentance post death is a guarantee. It is essentially a licence to do whatever you want whenever you want and it'll all work out. It tosses out the entire need for the process of sanctification and bearing of the cross. Why would Jesus even bother telling the apostles to go and make disciples if this life was virtually pointless? Almost all of his ministry talked about a cleansing of the self. Why bother? Fortunately, this topic is not a pillar of the faith so we can have opposing positions on it, but seriously imo its a dangerous position that uni has taken and only offers a watered down version of Christianity that is most assuredly no true.
makes perfect sense. there is one way to salvation, but not all will be saved. salvation is a choice
It does not drive multitudes away. Regardless, the universalist theology does not benefit a single soul. It simply advocates a life of selfishness where God is not needed one iota.Whereas...the Hell doctrine drives multitudes away from Jesus the Christ, from His Father and from the Church. Do you care to tell me it does not?
We love because he first loved us. We still have to love back. Salvation is a gift that we must open our hands to accept. Relationships are 2 way streets.Salvation is a choice? Our choice...or God's???
It does not drive multitudes away. Regardless, the universalist theology does not benefit a single soul. It simply advocates a life of selfishness where God is not needed one iota.
Im not saying any of the UUA followers are selfish. Im saying that it completely opens the door for it being acceptable. Why would anyone need God in their life if they can just wait for death? God requires many sacrifices from us and most of which, if not all, are very difficult. The flesh is very burdensome fellow and does not go down easy. Why bother with the struggle of sanctification at all if I can get it all after death at no cost? So I can have a bigger house than my neighbor in heaven?In my experience, it does. Anyway, this Universalist (NOT UUA) needs God very much, and if you think I lead a life of selfishness, you are wrong.
Well this is a Psalm and it is also translated as love or loving kindness. I wasn't being a smart aleck. Was just curious for examples either via a Christ or the apostles. An example where they talk about an everlasting mercy. I have no doubts that God has mercy built into his character, that much is obvious, but I do have doubts as this relates to individuals after the judgement.
We are in 100% agreement here. It appears the disagreement comes with the time line. Understand also that I am not advocating for or against an eternal hell. I am simply saying we cant know for sure, so its better to simply play it safe. A pascals wager of sorts. I am also saying its better push doctrines aside and focus on Christ and spread his message of loving one another while letting our self (sin nature) die. It is better to leave the unknown simply as the unknown than to try and figure out what God has planned. Matthew 6:34 comes to mind.Dear Mr. Faith: My friend mercy is indeed built into His character, or His essence, LOVE/FIRE/SPIRIT/LIGHT & PROPITIATION.
The God-as-Judge viewpoint does not present a biblical picture of what divine justice is about at all, but is a legalistic perspective that comes from human culture.
Biblically, to “bring justice” does not mean to bring punishment, but to bring healing and reconciliation. Justice means to make things right. Throughout the Prophets justice is associated with caring for others, assomthing that is not in conflict with mercy, but rather an expression of it. Divine justice is God’s saving action at work for all that are oppressed, as the following verses demonstrate:
Learn to do right! Seek justice, encourage the oppressed. Defend the cause of the fatherless, plead the case of the widow (Isaiah 1:17).
Note what happens when one does right by seeking justice. The oppressed are encouraged and the helpless are helped.
This is what the LORD says: "`Administer justice every morning; rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed (Jeremiah 21:12). Justice is done when the oppressed is rescued.
This is what the LORD Almighty says: `Administer true justice: show mercy and compassion to one another (Zechariah 7:9). How does one administer true justice? By showing mercy and compassion to everybody involved.
Yet the LORD longs to be gracious to you; he rises to show you compassion. For the LORD is a God of justice (Isaiah 30:18). What is the reason our Lord wants to be gracious to us? Because He is just.
If we want to understand the concept of justice as the writers of the Old Testament did, then we must see it as a “setting things right again.” There is no conflict between God’s justice and His mercy. They both flow from His love…
- Steve McVey.-
We are in 100% agreement here.
God's mercy will be only upon those that love Him.
The wicked are as this - shall not enter into the kingdom of God.
shall not enter into the holy city
the wrath of God abideth on them
their names not found written in the book of life
knock =but can never enter -the door is shut that leads to life
It does not drive multitudes away. Regardless, the universalist theology does not benefit a single soul. It simply advocates a life of selfishness where God is not needed one iota.
<Jas>So I am just going to accept what you say in the Greek? No thanks. I can read my English Bible just fine (that was translated from the Greek). I also made some great points that you are not really addressing, either. You are just posting a bunch of Greek. I don't know Biblical Greek, and I am pretty sure you don't, either. For you did not grow up in Bible times. Moving on from this conversation.anfang
Nice copout! You make a post lecturing me and others what Greek words supposedly mean but when proven wrong you bug out. I didn't ask you to accept what I said. Unlike you I identified my source for Greek, i.e. BDAG, and Hebrew, i.e. BDB and even provided a link and information so those sources could be verified.ende
I don’t see anything different in this translation my friend. These people still do not enter heaven.
“and every one whoever shall say a word to the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven to him, but to him who to the Holy Spirit did speak evil, it shall not be forgiven.”
Luke 12:10 YLT1898
Luke 12:10 and every one whoever shall say a word to the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven to him, but to him who to the Holy Spirit did speak evil, it shall not be forgiven. | Young's Literal Translation 3rd Revision 1898 (YLT1898) | Download The Bible App Now
Why would anyone need God in their life if they can just wait for death?
Why bother with the struggle of sanctification at all if I can get it all after death at no cost?