Question about Easter

[YahwehisHisname]

At some point, you will have to ask yourself " how much of that stuff can I refute or offer intelligent rebuttal to"? That will hopefully lead you to do your own research and find the truth. That journey will not go through me as I just don't have the time currently. I have done it in the past and it is brutal. Only you can decide if you want to seek the truth. It really is out there, Oblio. It isn't too hard to find either. You can believe or not believe what I have posted. It effects me none. We have been down this path, and it does no good at all. I have presented overwhelming proof that we changed His words and you dismissed it, and now claim I haven't proven anything. I don't see it as a wise use of my time. I can do no more. Good night for now.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Lent itself is based upon the Babylonian practice of weeping for Tammuz—the Son of the Sun. Sorry

No, Lent is based upon the fasting of Jesus, Moses, and Elijah. Forty days ring a bell?

 

[prodromos]

I don't see it as a wise use of my time. I can do no more.

We finally agree on something

John

 

[YahwehisHisname]

No, Lent is based upon the fasting of Jesus, Moses, and Elijah. Forty days ring a bell?

Is this all lies?

Believe it or not, Lent was never observed by Christ or His apostles. He commanded them, “Go you therefore, and teach all nations…teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” (Matt. 28:19-20). Jesus never commanded them to observe Lent or Easter. He did, however, command them to keep Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread. In fact, during His last Passover on earth, Christ gave detailed instructions on how to observe the Passover service. He also instituted new Passover symbols (John 13:1-17).
Notice what Alexander Hislop wrote in his book The Two Babylons: “The festival, of which we read in Church history, under the name of Easter, in the third and fourth centuries, was quite a different festival from that now observed in the Romish Church, and at that time was not known by any such name as Easter…That festival [Passover] was not idolatrous, and it was preceded by no Lent. ‘It ought to be known,’ said Cassianus, the monk of Marseilles, writing in the fifth century, and contrasting the primitive [New Testament] Church with the Church of his day, ‘that the observance of the forty days had no existence, so long as the perfection of that primitive Church remained inviolate.’”
Lent was not observed by the first century Church! It was first addressed by the church at Rome during the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325, when Emperor Constantine officially recognized that church as the Roman Empire’s state religion. Any brand of Christianity that held to doctrines contrary to the Roman church was considered an enemy of the state. In A.D. 360, the Council of Laodicea officially commanded Lent to be observed.
Originally, people did not observe Lent for more than a week. Some kept it for one or two days. Others kept it for 40 consecutive hours, falsely believing that only 40 hours had elapsed between Christ’s death and resurrection.
Eventually, it became a 40-day period of fasting or abstaining from certain foods. “The emphasis was not so much on the fasting as on the spiritual renewal that the preparation for Easter demanded. It was simply a period marked by fasting, but not necessarily one in which the faithful fasted every day. However, as time went on, more and more emphasis was laid upon fasting…During the early centuries (from the fifth century on especially) the observance of the fast was very strict. Only one meal a day, toward evening was allowed: flesh meat and fish, and in most places even eggs and dairy products, were absolutely forbidden. Meat was not even allowed on Sundays” (Catholic Encyclopedia).
From the ninth century onward, Lent’s strict rules were relaxed. Greater emphasis was given to performing “penitential works” than to fasting and abstinence. According to the apostolic constitution Poenitemini of Pope Paul IV (Feb. 17, 1966), “abstinence is to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on all Fridays of the year that do not fall on holy days of obligation, and fasting as well as abstinence is to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday” (Catholic Encyclopedia).
Today, Lent is used for “fasting from sin and from vice…forsaking sin and sinful ways.” It is a season “for penance, which means sorrow for sin and conversion to God.” This tradition teaches that fasting and employing self-discipline during Lent will give a worshipper the “control over himself that he needs to purify his heart and renew his life.”
However, the Bible clearly shows that self-control—temperance—comes from having God’s Holy Spirit working in the life of a converted mind (Gal. 5:16, 17, 22). Fasting, of and by itself, cannot produce godly self-control.
Paul warned against using self-denial as a tool to rely on your own will. He called it “will worship.” “Wherefore if you be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are you subject to ordinances, (touch not; taste not; handle not; which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honor to the satisfying of the flesh” (Col. 2:20-23).
God did not design fasting as a tool for penance, “beating yourself up” or developing will power: “Is it such a fast that I have chosen? A day for a man to afflict his soul [fast]? Is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? Will you call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord? Is not this the fast that I have chosen? To loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that you break every yoke? Is it not to deal your bread to the hungry, and that you bring the poor that are cast out to your house? When you see the naked, that you cover him; and that you hide not yourself from your own flesh?” (Isa. 58:5-7).
God’s people humble themselves through fasting in order to draw closer to Him—to learn to think and act like Him—to live His way of life in all things. Notice what the Prophet Jeremiah wrote: “Thus says the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: But let him that glories glory in this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, says the Lord” (Jer. 9:23-24). Fasting—with prayer—draws Christians closer to God.

Lent’s Ancient Roots​

Coming from the Anglo-Saxon Lencten, meaning “spring,” Lent originated in the ancient Babylonian mystery religion. “The forty days’ abstinence of Lent was directly borrowed from the worshippers of the Babylonian goddess…Among the Pagans this Lent seems to have been an indispensable preliminary to the great annual festival in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz” (The Two Babylons).
Tammuz was the false Messiah of the Babylonians—a satanic counterfeit of Jesus Christ!
The Feast of Tammuz was usually celebrated in June (also called the “month of Tammuz&#8221. Lent was held 40 days before the feast, “celebrated by alternate weeping and rejoicing.” This is why Lent means “spring”; it took place from spring to early summer.
The Bible records ancient Judah worshipping this false Messiah: “Then He brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord’s house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz” (Ezek. 8:14-15). This was a great abomination in God’s eyes!
But why did the church at Rome institute such a pagan holiday?
“To conciliate the Pagans to nominal Christianity, Rome, pursuing its usual policy, took measures to get the Christian and Pagan festivals amalgamated, and, by a complicated but skillful adjustment of the calendar, it was found no difficult matter, in general, to get Paganism and Christianity—now far sunk in idolatry—in this as in so many other things, to shake hands” (The Two Babylons).
The Roman church replaced Passover with Easter, moving the pagan Feast of Tammuz to early spring, “Christianizing” it. Lent moved with it.
“This change of the calendar in regard to Easter was attended with momentous consequences. It brought into the Church the grossest corruption and the rankest superstition in connection with the abstinence of Lent” (The Two Babylons).
Before giving up personal sins and vices during Lent, the pagans held a wild, “anything goes” celebration to make sure they got in their share of debaucheries and perversities—what the world celebrates as Mardi Gras today.

From http://www.realtruth.org/articles/feb-ttmol.html?gclid=CMvcvKLPpoQCFSdZSgodcELdig

 

[TruthMiner]

Is this all lies?

Believe it or not, Lent was never observed by Christ or His apostles. He commanded them, “Go you therefore, and teach all nations…teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” (Matt. 28:19-20). Jesus never commanded them to observe Lent or Easter. He did, however, command them to keep Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread. In fact, during His last Passover on earth, Christ gave detailed instructions on how to observe the Passover service. He also instituted new Passover symbols (John 13:1-17).
Notice what Alexander Hislop wrote in his book The Two Babylons: “The festival, of which we read in Church history, under the name of Easter, in the third and fourth centuries, was quite a different festival from that now observed in the Romish Church, and at that time was not known by any such name as Easter…That festival [Passover] was not idolatrous, and it was preceded by no Lent. ‘It ought to be known,’ said Cassianus, the monk of Marseilles, writing in the fifth century, and contrasting the primitive [New Testament] Church with the Church of his day, ‘that the observance of the forty days had no existence, so long as the perfection of that primitive Church remained inviolate.’”
Lent was not observed by the first century Church! It was first addressed by the church at Rome during the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325, when Emperor Constantine officially recognized that church as the Roman Empire’s state religion. Any brand of Christianity that held to doctrines contrary to the Roman church was considered an enemy of the state. In A.D. 360, the Council of Laodicea officially commanded Lent to be observed.
Originally, people did not observe Lent for more than a week. Some kept it for one or two days. Others kept it for 40 consecutive hours, falsely believing that only 40 hours had elapsed between Christ’s death and resurrection.
Eventually, it became a 40-day period of fasting or abstaining from certain foods. “The emphasis was not so much on the fasting as on the spiritual renewal that the preparation for Easter demanded. It was simply a period marked by fasting, but not necessarily one in which the faithful fasted every day. However, as time went on, more and more emphasis was laid upon fasting…During the early centuries (from the fifth century on especially) the observance of the fast was very strict. Only one meal a day, toward evening was allowed: flesh meat and fish, and in most places even eggs and dairy products, were absolutely forbidden. Meat was not even allowed on Sundays” (Catholic Encyclopedia).
From the ninth century onward, Lent’s strict rules were relaxed. Greater emphasis was given to performing “penitential works” than to fasting and abstinence. According to the apostolic constitution Poenitemini of Pope Paul IV (Feb. 17, 1966), “abstinence is to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on all Fridays of the year that do not fall on holy days of obligation, and fasting as well as abstinence is to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday” (Catholic Encyclopedia).
Today, Lent is used for “fasting from sin and from vice…forsaking sin and sinful ways.” It is a season “for penance, which means sorrow for sin and conversion to God.” This tradition teaches that fasting and employing self-discipline during Lent will give a worshipper the “control over himself that he needs to purify his heart and renew his life.”
However, the Bible clearly shows that self-control—temperance—comes from having God’s Holy Spirit working in the life of a converted mind (Gal. 5:16, 17, 22). Fasting, of and by itself, cannot produce godly self-control.
Paul warned against using self-denial as a tool to rely on your own will. He called it “will worship.” “Wherefore if you be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are you subject to ordinances, (touch not; taste not; handle not; which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honor to the satisfying of the flesh” (Col. 2:20-23).
God did not design fasting as a tool for penance, “beating yourself up” or developing will power: “Is it such a fast that I have chosen? A day for a man to afflict his soul [fast]? Is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? Will you call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord? Is not this the fast that I have chosen? To loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that you break every yoke? Is it not to deal your bread to the hungry, and that you bring the poor that are cast out to your house? When you see the naked, that you cover him; and that you hide not yourself from your own flesh?” (Isa. 58:5-7).
God’s people humble themselves through fasting in order to draw closer to Him—to learn to think and act like Him—to live His way of life in all things. Notice what the Prophet Jeremiah wrote: “Thus says the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: But let him that glories glory in this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, says the Lord” (Jer. 9:23-24). Fasting—with prayer—draws Christians closer to God.

Lent’s Ancient Roots​

Coming from the Anglo-Saxon Lencten, meaning “spring,” Lent originated in the ancient Babylonian mystery religion. “The forty days’ abstinence of Lent was directly borrowed from the worshippers of the Babylonian goddess…Among the Pagans this Lent seems to have been an indispensable preliminary to the great annual festival in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz” (The Two Babylons).
Tammuz was the false Messiah of the Babylonians—a satanic counterfeit of Jesus Christ!
The Feast of Tammuz was usually celebrated in June (also called the “month of Tammuz”). Lent was held 40 days before the feast, “celebrated by alternate weeping and rejoicing.” This is why Lent means “spring”; it took place from spring to early summer.
The Bible records ancient Judah worshipping this false Messiah: “Then He brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord’s house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz” (Ezek. 8:14-15). This was a great abomination in God’s eyes!
But why did the church at Rome institute such a pagan holiday?
“To conciliate the Pagans to nominal Christianity, Rome, pursuing its usual policy, took measures to get the Christian and Pagan festivals amalgamated, and, by a complicated but skillful adjustment of the calendar, it was found no difficult matter, in general, to get Paganism and Christianity—now far sunk in idolatry—in this as in so many other things, to shake hands” (The Two Babylons).
The Roman church replaced Passover with Easter, moving the pagan Feast of Tammuz to early spring, “Christianizing” it. Lent moved with it.
“This change of the calendar in regard to Easter was attended with momentous consequences. It brought into the Church the grossest corruption and the rankest superstition in connection with the abstinence of Lent” (The Two Babylons).
Before giving up personal sins and vices during Lent, the pagans held a wild, “anything goes” celebration to make sure they got in their share of debaucheries and perversities—what the world celebrates as Mardi Gras today.

From http://www.realtruth.org/articles/feb-ttmol.html?gclid=CMvcvKLPpoQCFSdZSgodcELdig

Oh my, the guilt by association fallacy again.

 

[Strong in Him]

So maybe, YahwehisHisname, you could tell us what this all means in practice? I mean, if it's wrong to call our Saviour Jesus, because it's a corruption of Zeus, and if Easter is pagan and nothing to do with God, then what happens to anyone who goes to a Good Friday service to remember our Saviour's death and joyfully celebrates his resurrection on Sunday? This, by your argument, is wrong, and surely the Lord God should punish us severely for worshipping foreign gods, and exalting a name other than his own? He shouldn't speak, challenge, encourage and reveal himself to us at this time, surely? Yet thousands of Christians regard Easter as a sacred, moving, holy and joyful time. We contemplate the sacrifice that our Saviour made for us, and consider the fact that God loved us so much that he was prepared to pay the price for our sin himself. We joyfully celebrate the Lord Jesus' resurrection from the dead, marvelling at the fact that even death could not hold him, that "the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it," and are encouraged to believe that all things are possible because Jesus is alive.

Or is all of this wrong, and when we say that God is speaking to us, we really mean that we are carried away by our own emotion? When I stand up to preach on Sunday, do I proclaim the empty tomb and the risen Jesus, and lead us in hymns of worship that celebrate both, or do I tell everyone that they are a lot of pagans for celebrating a pagan festival and honouring a name that does not mean what the majority of the Christian world believe it means?

If the name JESUS is completely false, it will have no power at all. So prayers made in this name will not be answered, demons will not be driven out, non believers will not come to him, people will not be healed and forgiven.

 

[Oblio]

The reference you quote YihN, is not only composed of TFHs but those that teach heresy, to whit:

Counterfeit Church

You will learn that the teaching of the triune, “three-in-one” god comes from the great false universal religion, described in Revelation 17:5 as “Mystery Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.” This “woman church” has used the trinity to infiltrate and deceive all of traditional Christianity. Originally introduced with much controversy, she has been able to successfully use this doctrine to limit the true God to a supposed three persons.

From
The TRINITY
Is God three-in-one?

Your sources are heretical, and unorthodox, try again.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

I prefer biblical and historical accounts to Alexander Hislop's faerie tales.

Let me ask you a direct question, YahwehisHisName: If my heart is hard, but I do al the right things, is there power for good in what I do?

 

[Melethiel]

At some point, you will have to ask yourself " how much of that stuff can I refute or offer intelligent rebuttal to"? That will hopefully lead you to do your own research and find the truth. That journey will not go through me as I just don't have the time currently. I have done it in the past and it is brutal. Only you can decide if you want to seek the truth. It really is out there, Oblio. It isn't too hard to find either. You can believe or not believe what I have posted. It effects me none. We have been down this path, and it does no good at all. I have presented overwhelming proof that we changed His words and you dismissed it, and now claim I haven't proven anything. I don't see it as a wise use of my time. I can do no more. Good night for now.

In other words, you have no reputable sources to site from and are constantly dodging our questions. You stated before that you would provide backup, so now I challenge you: provide primary proof for, let's start with, the existence of a gaelic demon called Gesus. Just for starters. If you do not, I will be forced to assume that you are full of it.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

So maybe, YahwehisHisname, you could tell us what this all means in practice? I mean, if it's wrong to call our Saviour Jesus, because it's a corruption of Zeus, and if Easter is pagan and nothing to do with God, then what happens to anyone who goes to a Good Friday service to remember our Saviour's death and joyfully celebrates his resurrection on Sunday? This, by your argument, is wrong, and surely the Lord God should punish us severely for worshiping foreign gods, and exalting a name other than his own? He shouldn't speak, challenge, encourage and reveal himself to us at this time, surely? Yet thousands of Christians regard Easter as a sacred, moving, holy and joyful time. We contemplate the sacrifice that our Saviour made for us, and consider the fact that God loved us so much that he was prepared to pay the price for our sin himself. We joyfully celebrate the Lord Jesus' resurrection from the dead, marvelling at the fact that even death could not hold him, that "the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it," and are encouraged to believe that all things are possible because Jesus is alive.

Or is all of this wrong, and when we say that God is speaking to us, we really mean that we are carried away by our own emotion? When I stand up to preach on Sunday, do I proclaim the empty tomb and the risen Jesus, and lead us in hymns of worship that celebrate both, or do I tell everyone that they are a lot of pagans for celebrating a pagan festival and honouring a name that does not mean what the majority of the Christian world believe it means?

If the name JESUS is completely false, it will have no power at all. So prayers made in this name will not be answered, demons will not be driven out, non believers will not come to him, people will not be healed and forgiven.

Great questions, all. Thanks for asking and not jumping all over the messenger, so to speak. I never said Jesus was a corruption of Zeus- it's just, not His name.All I want, is what your screen name proclaims. I want the truth. That is all I am trying to pass along. I am not going to judge someones salvation. That has nothing to do with me. I will judge someones words,however. Anyway, I am only telling what the facts are. You can go from there. As far as standing up on Sunday, and preaching.....I would suggest you do your job-tell the truth. As I understand the scriptures, there are different judgments on us. Those who do not know or choose to not know Him will simply cease to exist( no eternal damnation). Then there are those who purposefully lead men away from Him. It says they will suffer the same fate as the adversary.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

The reference you quote YihN, is not only composed of TFHs but those that teach heresy, to whit:



From
The TRINITY
Is God three-in-one?

Your sources are heretical, and unorthodox, try again.

You keep mentioning The sacred name sect and I have told you I have no idea what that group is about. I also don't know what you mean with TFH's. All I did was do a google search to find something on the information that I already knew about. I have never been to that web site before yesterday. I read it quickly and thought it was accurate enough to post. I knew, however, that by giving the link, you would find something on their site that makes them look bad. Their article was full of facts and documented resources, like the internal church documents. Instead of speaking to the claims made, you attack the messenger, similar to Muslims when confronted with the truth. No amount of truth will matter to you. So no, I won't try again. Good luck and I can only hope logical thought enters.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

I prefer biblical and historical accounts to Alexander Hislop's faerie tales.

Let me ask you a direct question, YahwehisHisName: If my heart is hard, but I do al the right things, is there power for good in what I do?

Like I have already stated RDR, I am not here to judge anyone. I just want the truth. It doesn't matter to me if I have it or you do- I want it. This is what separates me from most, I see.
If someone can show me where Christmas and easter are in the scriptures or how they are affiliated with God, than please tell me, because I remember them as fun, and I would honor Him in that way. If someone can prove we didn't change His sabbath to Sunday, let me know, so I can observe the proper Sabbath. The list goes down the line. I just want the truth. But see, I have done my homework, and I know it can't be done. By proclaiming the truth, look how I am received by "god's people". More importantly, look how the message is received.

 

[KEPLER]

Like I have already stated RDR, I am not here to judge anyone. I just want the truth. It doesn't matter to me if I have it or you do- I want it. This is what separates me from most, I see.
If someone can show me where Christmas and easter are in the scriptures or how they are affiliated with God, than please tell me, because I remember them as fun, and I would honor Him in that way. If someone can prove we didn't change His sabbath to Sunday, let me know, so I can observe the proper Sabbath. The list goes down the line. I just want the truth. But see, I have done my homework, and I know they can't. By proclaiming the truth, look how I am received by "god's people".

Uh, yeah...let's see...that would be Luke chapters 1 &2 for the former, and Luke chapter 24 for the latter.

Done!

***wipes hands***

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Like I have already stated RDR, I am not here to judge anyone. I just want the truth. It doesn't matter to me if I have it or you do- I want it. This is what separates me from most, I see.
If someone can show me where Christmas and easter are in the scriptures or how they are affiliated with God, than please tell me, because I remember them as fun, and I would honor Him in that way. If someone can prove we didn't change His sabbath to Sunday, let me know, so I can observe the proper Sabbath. The list goes down the line. I just want the truth. But see, I have done my homework, and I know they can't. By proclaiming the truth, look how I am received by "god's people".

Hello YahwehIsHisName:
It is not you who is rejected by God's people- it is the message you bring that is rejected. Your message of 'look at the history' is rejected by people such as myself who have studied history in depth. In other words, you're preaching to the choir, and we are singing a different tune than you.

It is not you whom I reject- far from it.

You are correct when you say we treasure our- what you call 'religious' festivals: I treasure the celebration of Great and Holy Pascha, because it and the fast of Great Lent brings this old sinner's consciousness back into a repentant and broken condition before my Savior and God. I know the history of the development of Lent and Holy week, and I concur fully with the understanding of the Church on these matters.

The early Church did not fast 40 days- in some places they fasted 2 days, in others, a week- eventually 40 days was settled on, following the typology of the Lord's fast in the wilderness. We understand our fasting in the manner of Isaiah 58, and we do not believe in any sense that it earns us righteousness or anything else. It is merely a discipline to bring us back to the Cross, and from there to the Empty Tomb.

During the 40 days we read Isaiah, Genesis, and Proverbs in their entirety. This prepares us biblically and prophetically for a renewed and broken spirit as we gaze upon the One who suspended the world in space, yet who condescended to be suspended on a Cross.

As you can see, our understanding is not based in Babylonian mysticism.

Easter is just a nickname for Great and Holy Pascha. If you want to see it celebrated scripturally, go with Mary and Martha and Peter to the Empty Tomb. Christmas is a nickname for The Nativity According to the Flesh of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If you want to celebrate that, go to the cave with the Magi, the shepherds, and the archangels.

As for the Sabbath, it is Saturday. Rest from your labors on that day, if you feel it imperative to observe it ordinally.

Sunday is the First Day. Again, if you wish to celebrate this, gather with the disciples as they meet behind closed doors, and Jesus appears. Or perhaps you would gather with the Apostles and the Jews on whom the Spirit fell on Pentecost Sunday.

I don't care for the name 'Easter,' I think it's misleading- but a "rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
Regards
Iakovos

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Three questions.

1. Did the church adopt these(Christmas, Easter) and associate them with Yahweh? Yes or no?

2.Are they prescribed by man or by God?

3. Does God have HIS OWN appointed days to recognize these events( Sacrifice, resurrection etc)?

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Three questions.

1. Did the church adopt these(Christmas, Easter) and associate them with Yahweh? Yes or no?
The Church developed and preserved 'these' which were and are associated with the Incarnation of Jesus and the worship of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. YHWH (perhaps YHVH) if you prefer.

The Tetragrammaton and the diacritical marks of the Masoretes designating the vowel soundings are very much in dispute. This is one reason why I hesitate to say "Yahweh."
Another reason is that Yahweh, in Hebrew, does not exactly mean "I am that I am"

2.Are they prescribed by man or by God?
Both.
God gave authority to the Church.

3. Does God have HIS OWN appointed days to recognize these events( Sacrifice, resurrection etc)?
Yes, we've already named them. The Hebrew festivals are set aside for specific events, also. For example, Passover. Same goes for Sukkot, same goes for the Feast of weeks (Pentecost).
They were each a type that pointed to the glory of His Passion, Death, Resurrection, and the descent of The Spirit.
NOW is the tabernacle (sukkot) of God with man. This is what Paul referred to when he named his body a 'tent,' and alternatively, the Temple. The fallen tabernacle of David has been raised in men.

 

[Strong in Him]

Great questions, all. Thanks for asking and not jumping all over the messenger, so to speak. I never said Jesus was a corruption of Zeus- it's just, not His name.All I want, is what your screen name proclaims. I want the truth. That is all I am trying to pass along. I am not going to judge someones salvation. That has nothing to do with me. I will judge someones words,however. Anyway, I am only telling what the facts are. You can go from there. As far as standing up on Sunday, and preaching.....I would suggest you do your job-tell the truth. As I understand the scriptures, there are different judgments on us. Those who do not know or choose to not know Him will simply cease to exist( no eternal damnation). Then there are those who purposefully lead men away from Him. It says they will suffer the same fate as the adversary.

Yes, but at the risk of sounding like Pontius Pilate; what is truth?

It is true that every version of the Bible that I know of translates the name that the angel told Mary to call her son, as Jesus. It is true that this name is mentioned throughout the New Testament. It is true that every book of theology/Bible reading notes/hymn and prayer books that have ever been written use the name Jesus.* Given that I, for one, know no Greek, Hebrew, Latin or Aramaic, and neither will the average person in the pew - what do we do? refuse to use his name at all because there is a theory that it has been translated wrongly?

Telling the truth on Sunday will mean reminding people that Easter is the time that we remember Jesus' suffering and death, why he went through it and the last meal that he shared with his disciples before he did so. It will mean declaring that Easter Sunday is the name given to the day on which he rose again, and all that that means to us. This story is all about God; the cross was his idea, and it was he who raised Jesus from the dead. Similarly, Christmas is all about God sending his Son into the world. Well it is for me as a Christian anyway - the world can celebrate the festival of Father Christmas if they wish. Emmanuel=God with us. The Easter and Christmas stories are found in the Gospels, and were prophesied in the Old Testament. The names might be man made, the events they celebrate were God-ordained. Call it by another name if it makes you feel happier - it doesn't make it either more, or less, true.


*Edit; I should have said "written in English." Other countries translate his name differently.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Three questions.

1. Did the church adopt these(Christmas, Easter) and associate them with Yahweh? Yes or no?
The Church developed and preserved 'these' which were and are associated with the Incarnation of Jesus and the worship of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. YHWH (perhaps YHVH) if you prefer.

So, is your answer yes? Did these get incorporated into Christianity by man?
Does Christmas and Easter have histories that predate Jesus?

The Tetragrammaton and the diacritical marks of the Masoretes designating the vowel soundings are very much in dispute. This is one reason why I hesitate to say "Yahweh."
Another reason is that Yahweh, in Hebrew, does not exactly mean "I am that I am"

I don't want to change the subject so I will pass on this. I hope to address it later.

2.Are they prescribed by man or by God?
Both.
God gave authority to the Church.

To do what? Change His sabbath? Forgive sins? Incorporate Pagan rites and rituals into the church and asociate them with HIM?
3. Does God have HIS OWN appointed days to recognize these events( Sacrifice, resurrection etc)?

Yes, we've already named them. The Hebrew festivals

Are they Hebrew festivals?... or are they His?

Did He say how long He wanted them observed?

You must admit that most do not know them, and even fewer understand them. Every single time I speak of observing themi, people come back with "are you Jewish"?

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Three questions.

1. Did the church adopt these(Christmas, Easter) and associate them with Yahweh? Yes or no?
The Church developed and preserved 'these' which were and are associated with the Incarnation of Jesus and the worship of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. YHWH (perhaps YHVH) if you prefer.

So, is your answer yes?
My answer was carefully stated and clear
Did these get incorporated into Christianity by man?
By the Church. The Church is made up of people, but is the Body of Christ. Your question is misleading.
Does Christmas and Easter have histories that predate Jesus?
No, and neither do the Gospels or the epistles. Your point?

The Tetragrammaton and the diacritical marks of the Masoretes designating the vowel soundings are very much in dispute. This is one reason why I hesitate to say "Yahweh."
Another reason is that Yahweh, in Hebrew, does not exactly mean "I am that I am"

I don't want to change the subject so I will pass on this. I hope to address it later.
That's fine

2.Are they prescribed by man or by God?
Both.
God gave authority to the Church.

To do what? Change His sabbath?
We didn't change the Sabbath
Forgive sins?
God forgives sins
Yet He empowered the Church (John 20:23) the ministry of reconciliation (2 cor 5:18)
Incorporate Pagan rites and rituals into the church and asociate them with HIM?
Strawman

3. Does God have HIS OWN appointed days to recognize these events( Sacrifice, resurrection etc)?

Yes, we've already named them. The Hebrew festivals

Are they Hebrew festivals?... or are they His?

Did He say how long He wanted them observed?

You must admit that most do not know them, and even fewer understand them. Every single time I speak of observing themi, people come back with "are you Jewish"?
Um, I think you excised my comments that made these matters crystal clear. There is a new covenant in His blood wherein the middle wall of hostility has been broken down, creating One New Man. Not Jew and Gentile, Messianic and Greek. One.
The Hebrew festivals are set aside for specific events, also. For example, Passover. Same goes for Sukkot, same goes for the Feast of weeks (Pentecost).
They were each a type that pointed to the glory of His Passion, Death, Resurrection, and the descent of The Spirit.
NOW is the tabernacle (sukkot) of God with man. This is what Paul referred to when he named his body a 'tent,' and alternatively, the Temple. The fallen tabernacle of David has been raised in men.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Yes, but at the risk of sounding like Pontius Pilate; what is truth?

The opposite of deceit

It is true that every version of the Bible that I know of translates the name that the angel told Mary to call her son, as Jesus. It is true that this name is mentioned throughout the New Testament. It is true that every book of theology/Bible reading notes/hymn and prayer books that have ever been written use the name Jesus.* Given that I, for one, know no Greek, Hebrew, Latin or Aramaic, and neither will the average person in the pew - what do we do? refuse to use his name at all because there is a theory that it has been translated wrongly?

Do a study of the topic. Understand the difference between translating and transliterating, and report your findings. Names should always be transliterated, and just because Greek didn't have the sounds to replicate His name, we do. Proclaim the truth and leave them without excuse. People are free to choose from there.

Telling the truth on Sunday will mean reminding people that Easter is the time that we remember Jesus' suffering and death, why he went through it and the last meal that he shared with his disciples before he did so.


That was the Passover meal. IMO, we should speak of the scriptures- not how man has incorporated these other customs into the church. Read the exodus chapters where the blood of the perfect lamb was put on the upright pole to have Him pass over them. Read the Lev. verses that call for the lamb to be brought forth 4 days before the passover, and then slain on the passover. Check out the Daniel 9 prophesy that announces the arrival of the messiah down to the exact day- 500 years in advance. That announced day was 4 days before the passover. He ate on the passover (Thursday night) and was the perfect unblemished lamb that was sacrificed in our stead right on time. We should read about the first Passover in Exodus 12 and 13. Then read the prophecies in Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 that speak so vividly of what actually happened and why it occurred that way. Follow this by a review of the eyewitness accounts, the demonstration of His love and provision starting in Matthew 20-28, Mark 11-16, Luke 18-24, and/or John 11-21.

It will mean declaring that Easter Sunday is the name given to the day on which he rose again

Given by man. He gave it a name and that was the Miqra of first fruits. One is scriptural. The other isn't.

This story is all about God; the cross was his idea

Nope. the word "cross" is not in scripture. The Greek word used is Stauros. It means upright pole. The blood of the perfect Lamb was again on the upright pole. Yahweh said in the exodus account that this was a "sign for YOU". He was screaming that this was marking something in the future. See the connection?

, and it was he who raised Jesus from the dead. Similarly, Christmas is all about God sending his Son into the world.


Was Jesus born on December 25th?

The Easter and Christmas stories are found in the Gospels


show me


, and were prophesied in the Old Testament.


double show me

The names might be man made, the events they celebrate were God-ordained. Call it by another name if it makes you feel happier - it doesn't make it either more, or less, true.

Show me even where it was called a different name in the scriptures, please.


*Edit; I should have said "written in English." Other countries translate his name differently.


Again, names should always be transliterated.