Question about Easter

[Rdr Iakovos]

Again, names should always be transliterated.

I couldn't disagree more. For understanding's sake, names should be translated. Nabal should be called "Fool.' Samuel should be 'asked of God.' Yahveh (there is no 'W' sound in Hebrew) should be called O Ohn in Greek or I Am in English. Adonai should be translated Lord, just as should be kurios, a term used liberally by the Apostles and Jesus.

If you're going to get hung up on names, they should not be transliterated- that is a very liberal approach, inaccurate

 

[Oblio]

Obsession with Yahveh/Jehova, Stauros/pole ... Sound familiar folks

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Obsession with Yahveh/Jehova, Stauros/pole ... Sound familiar folks

Vaguely.

Looking forward to celebrating Pascha on a day other than Nisan 14, preceded by a commemoration of Good Friday (on Friday again this year, not Wednesday).

Won't be singing "Yahua Anesti."

Will eat the whole lamb after examining it for about 4 seconds.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Three questions.


My answer was carefully stated and clear

I asked a yes or no question(Did the church adopt these(Christmas, Easter) and associate them with Yahweh? Yes or no?). Had you answered it that way, I would have no need to ask again, would I?

Did these get incorporated into Christianity by man?
By the Church. The Church is made up of people, but is the Body of Christ. Your question is misleading.

Mankind adopted and Incorporated these into the church without one single bit of authority from God. My question is trapping, and you don't like it so you label it misleading.


Does Christmas and Easter have histories that predate Jesus?
No, and neither do the Gospels or the epistles. Your point?

My point is simple. What if they do have a history before Jesus? What will this mean to you? Would that solidify that they have nothing to do with God/Jesus?



To do what? Change His sabbath?
We didn't change the Sabbath

What if I can show you internal church document that even admit to changing His Sabbath? Will this mean anything? I somehow doubt it. Constantine’s historian, Euebius, recorded the following imperial edict in 321 A.D:

“All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord’s Day.”

He called Sunday
“Sol Invictus Mithras”—“the day of the unconquerable sun, Mithras.”
Under penalty of death he decreed that all within his empire must cease work on Sun-Day to honor the sun god Mithras. Constantine, went on to say of the Jews:

“We will have nothing to do with the cursed wretches who killed our Lord—nothing in common with the hostile rabble of the Yahudim(Jews).”

Forgive sins?
God forgives sins
Yet He empowered the Church (John 20:23) the ministry of reconciliation (2 cor 5:18)

The ministry of reconciliation-that is, of announcing to people the nature and the conditions of this plan of being reconciled. We have been appointed to make this known: see 2 Cor.5:20


Incorporate Pagan rites and rituals into the church and associate them with HIM?

Strawman

Funny, Oblio used "strawman" when he said the church didn't change the Sabbath. I think it is called a fact.

3. Does God have HIS OWN appointed days to recognize these events( Sacrifice, resurrection etc)?

Yes, we've already named them. The Hebrew festivals

Are they Hebrew festivals?... or are they His?

Did He say how long He wanted them observed?

Um, I think you excised my comments that made these matters crystal clear. There is a new covenant in His blood wherein the middle wall of hostility has been broken down, creating One New Man. Not Jew and Gentile, Messianic and Greek. One.

Again, you didn't answer the questions. The answers are they are HIS-not Jews. And they are forever. Words can not be any clearer.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Obsession with Yahveh/Jehova, Stauros/pole ... Sound familiar folks

Yep. Sounds like I care more about what Yahweh has to say then what man has to say.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Vaguely.

Looking forward to celebrating Pascha on a day other than Nisan 14,

Is scripture not crystal clear about this? Doesn't it say on the 14th?

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Is scripture not crystal clear about this? Doesn't it say on the 14th?

Passover is on the 14th. Jesus rose on the 16th (First fruits). That much is clear.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Three questions.


My answer was carefully stated and clear

I asked a yes or no question(Did the church adopt these(Christmas, Easter) and associate them with Yahweh? Yes or no?). Had you answered it that way, I would have no need to ask again, would I?

Did these get incorporated into Christianity by man?
You have posed the question in a manner which would make either a yes or no inaccurate. I prefer accuracy over interrogation.
By the Church. The Church is made up of people, but is the Body of Christ. Your question is misleading.

Mankind adopted and Incorporated these into the church without one single bit of authority from God.
That's your unbiblical viewpoint. Clearly, Jesus gave His authority to the Twelve AND to the Church (pillar and ground of truth- does this ring a bell?)
Moses was a man who was a prophet to Israel. Likewise Isaiah. You accept their words, but reject the words of the Church.

My question is trapping, and you don't like it so you label it misleading.



Trapping is misleading. I have responded in good faith and candor, with respect. You, on the other hand, admit to attempting to trap- ie, manipulate me.
Not only is that not working for you, it's not benefitting your soul or mine.
Come, let us reason together. You will not prevail over me in a debate, but rest assured, I am not here to 'win.' I'm here to speak plainly.

Does Christmas and Easter have histories that predate Jesus?
No, and neither do the Gospels or the epistles. Your point?

My point is simple. What if they do have a history before Jesus? What will this mean to you? Would that solidify that they have nothing to do with God/Jesus?
Perhaps you didn't read my comments earlier. Allow me to clarify: I am deeply informed regarding the history and develpment of doctrine and theology in the early Church.
What you offer as contrary evidence is nothing more than urban legend.



To do what? Change His sabbath?
We didn't change the Sabbath

What if I can show you internal church document that even admit to changing His Sabbath? Will this mean anything? I somehow doubt it. Constantine’s historian, Euebius, recorded the following imperial edict in 321 A.D:

“All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord’s Day.”

He called Sunday
“Sol Invictus Mithras”—“the day of the unconquerable sun, Mithras.”
Under penalty of death he decreed that all within his empire must cease work on Sun-Day to honor the sun god Mithras. Constantine, went on to say of the Jews:

“We will have nothing to do with the cursed wretches who killed our Lord—nothing in common with the hostile rabble of the Yahudim(Jews).”
I've read Eusebius at length. Constantine was an Emperor, not a bishop.


Forgive sins?
God forgives sins
Yet He empowered the Church (John 20:23) the ministry of reconciliation (2 cor 5:18)

The ministry of reconciliation-that is, of announcing to people the nature and the conditions of this plan of being reconciled. We have been appointed to make this known: see 2 Cor.5:20


Incorporate Pagan rites and rituals into the church and associate them with HIM?

Strawman

Funny, Oblio used "strawman" when he said the church didn't change the Sabbath. I think it is called a fact.
There you have it, a quorum. strawman. Period.

3. Does God have HIS OWN appointed days to recognize these events( Sacrifice, resurrection etc)?

Yes, we've already named them. The Hebrew festivals

Are they Hebrew festivals?... or are they His?

Did He say how long He wanted them observed?

Um, I think you excised my comments that made these matters crystal clear. There is a new covenant in His blood wherein the middle wall of hostility has been broken down, creating One New Man. Not Jew and Gentile, Messianic and Greek. One.

Again, you didn't answer the questions. The answers are they are HIS-not Jews. And they are forever. Words can not be any clearer.
Again, you've attempted to set a rhetorical trap that is based in fallacy. I made it quite clear, and do not wish to be redundant.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Passover is on the 14th. Jesus rose on the 16th (First fruits). That much is clear.

But you said you looked forward to observing passover on a day other than the 14th.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

OK just read your other reply. I find it a waste of time to pursue any topic with you from this point. In typical fashion, all evidence is not good enough and the truth is a hurdle. The good thing about this forum is people in the future can examine these items and see which side has merit. May the truth set you free-John. My people(ekklesia) todays church) will be destroyed for lack of knowing and understanding.-Hosea

And disregard my former post because I know that you will interpret Pasach as Easter, against all rational thought, and every dictionary, lexicon, and linguistic scholar in the world.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

But you said you looked forward to observing passover on a day other than the 14th.

I believe that I have used the expression "Great and Holy Passover." This is to distinguish, as I said, the passover of the Jews- and awesome event which released them from physical bondage- from the Lord's Passover- when we were all released from bondage to sin.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

OK just read your other reply. I find it a waste of time to pursue any topic with you from this point. In typical fashion, all evidence is not good enough and the truth is a hurdle.

Actually, you've mischaracterized me grievously-
It is only the evidence you have presented up to this point that is insufficient.
In point of fact, you've mostly made declarations, and only sourced us to Hislop, whose sources were invented, unavailable, or distorted.

The good thing about this forum is people in the future can examine these items and see which side has merit. May the truth set you free-John. My people(ekklesia) todays church) will be destroyed for lack of knowing and understanding.-Hosea

Yes, and I do what I can to help inform.

And disregard my former post because I know that you will interpret Pasach as Easter, against all rational thought, and every dictionary, lexicon, and linguistic scholar in the world.

Nah- we call it Great and Holy pascha, but thanks.
As for celebrating the Lord's resurrection on Passover- since it didn't happen on Passover, this doesn't make any sense. What happened on Passover is that His blood covered our lintels.
We do commemorate that- with weeping and thanks.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Again, names should always be transliterated.

I couldn't disagree more. For understanding's sake, names should be translated. Nabal should be called "Fool.' Samuel should be 'asked of God.' Yahveh (there is no 'W' sound in Hebrew) should be called O Ohn in Greek or I Am in English. Adonai should be translated Lord, just as should be kurios, a term used liberally by the Apostles and Jesus.

If you're going to get hung up on names, they should not be transliterated- that is a very liberal approach, inaccurate

That entire thing is a wreck, just irresponsible really, but I see no point in wasting my time with it. I have learned much here. I understand exactly why Yahweh hates religion. I won't be responding further. Good luck

 

[Oblio]

Under penalty of death he decreed that all within his empire must cease work on Sun-Day to honor the sun god Mithras.

I'll have to ask for a cite, reputable sources if you please.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

That entire thing is a wreck, just irresponsible really, but I see no point in wasting my time with it. I have learned much here. I understand exactly why Yahweh hates religion. I won't be responding further. Good luck

Thanks- I don't believe in luck, it's superstition.

YahVeh does not necessarily hate religion due to your inability to produce evidence to back your claims.

I find that when falsehoods and urban legends are confronted and pressed for evidence, those preaching them get very agitated and tend to leave the conversation.

And that's ok, if that is what must be done to keep peace.

 

[Strong in Him]

Well, YIHN, if you're not going to respond, I'm not going to post the Scriptures that you ask me to.

I would like to know if you believe we should all keep the feasts, and therefore law, laid down in the OT, and if our faith and observances are useless if we don't? But if you've finished with this thread, then I won't get an answer.

 

[Little_Angel_of_Yahweh]

HI everyone!!! I keep the feasts too!!

Yahweh Bless!

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Great. There is no doubt that Easter is a pagan holiday. The mountains of evidence don't seem to matter for most "followers", however.
Yahweh used words to reveal Himself. The words He choose to use are" My meetings" and "these are the feasts of Yahweh", so we know they are His and not Jews. He also choose "owlam" when telling how long He wanted them observed. It means perpetuity, or forever.
So yes, we are to keep these 7 annual meetings that the Boss said were mow'ed miqra- “designated period which relates to others for a specific purpose authorized by an authority”, “wondrous signs that convey an important message” A mow’ed is “a set-apart feast and festival.”

Failing to understand the Miqra Mow’ed, these appointed signs, clerics and laity alike fail to appreciate the connections between the covenants, and the prophetic nature of each Miqra. We have become lost and blind, stumbling in the dark without a map. The means provided to understand and date every significant event—past, present, and future, have been replaced with man's holidays. Arguing that Easter is Pagan is like arguing that the grass is green. The evidence is overwhelming, and unavoidable, yet we just don't care to open the blinds and look. We have gone over the fact that Passover was replaced by man with the word "easter" in acts 12. We know it was the church who gave the order to relate Istar, err, I mean Easter with Christianity, and it has ZERO scriptural basis. We know that every ritual of Easter goes back to Babylon and predates "christ"- right down to the bunny and dyed eggs. People can do as they wish. I just wish the lies about Him would stop. That's where the salvation issue is. The third commandment promises to hold the liars accountable.

I was not agitated BTW. I was saddened.
Over two hundred posts to go over something extremly obvious, and fact rich, is sad. And indeed this IS why the totality of scripture is anti religious. It has nothing to do with me. That is what the book is. Religions are man made. All of them. They serve cleric. They enrich cleric. They lead men astray. Yahweh isn't fond of that.

 

[Oblio]

The Dan Brown approach to Theology

Fictional allegations with no proof.

 

[prodromos]

Great. There is no doubt that Easter is a pagan holiday. The mountains of evidence don't seem to matter for most "followers", however.

So where is this 'mountain of evidence'? I've yet to see anything other than a link to Hislop.