Question about Easter

[YahwehisHisname]

I'm sure there are more important issues facing us today than how languages and names in them develop over time.

Yeah, I'm sure God doesn't mind us changing His name over seven thousand times. It's not like He told us anything about adding or subtracting from His word or anything, right?

 

[Oblio]

The closest name to it at the time was Gesus—the name of a druid demon called the Horned One.

Even if this were true, and like most of your 'evidence', I highly suspect it is not, it makes not one bit of difference. You are tilting at etymological windmills, imaginary ones at that.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

If you can prove something wrong, be my guest.

 

[Melethiel]

If you can prove something wrong, be my guest.

It's not up to him to prove it wrong. You made the assertion, the ball is in your camp to provide documented proof for your statement.

Yeah, I'm sure God doesn't mind us changing His name over seven thousand times. It's not like He told us anything about adding or subtracting from His word or anything, right?

Changing by adjusting to linguistic tendencies? Okay, tell me this then. Is Michael a different name from Mikhail or Myhailo? Is Maria a different name from Mary or Miriam? Or are they simply the same name in different linguistic contexts?

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Do you know the difference between translating and transliterating?

 

[AutumnAnne]

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations.


Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.


Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.


Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.


Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.


Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.


Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.


Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.


Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.


Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.


Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.


Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.


Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:


Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.


Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.


Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed [are] pure; but [it is] evil for that man who eateth with offence.


Rom 14:21 [It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.


Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have [it] to thyself before God. Happy [is] he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.


Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin

thanks for the reminder!

 

[Oblio]

It's not up to him to prove it wrong. You made the assertion, the ball is in your camp to provide documented proof for your statement.

And after he proves his claim, he also needs to prove that the phonetical coincidence is of any importance.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

The question is....what's the reason? Some are so steeped in religion that they are incapable of rational thought. The amount of evidence is inconsequential. They ignore, ridicule and dismiss, every single piece of evidence they see, and believe a man on Sunday that can not furnish a lick of proof to justify the corruptions of Yahweh's words. Christmas and Easter have NOTHING to do with God, but "christians" want it to be true so bad they parrot lies even though they know the truth. There is a consequence for that. If we had any idea what the third commandment said, we would perhaps think differently. But maybe that commandment is null and void along with following the sabbath.
God doesn't change. Not even for you, believe it or not. Words are how Yahweh choose to reveal His message. If you don't think they are important, what can I say?

 

[Oblio]

Christmas and Easter have NOTHING to do with God, but "christians" want it to be true so bad they parrot lies even though they know the truth.

If you believe this, then you are clearly ignorant of the Christian faith.

They ignore, ridicule and dismiss, every single piece of evidence they see, and believe a man on Sunday that can not furnish a lick of proof to justify the corruptions of Yahweh's words.

Hebrew is not a Holy language. We can and have glorified God in our native tongues throughout the history of Christianity. To claim that one culture (and that is what language is a part of) is 'more Holy' than another is the condemned heresy of phyletism.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

It was Yahweh’s responsibility to inspire His Scripture. It’s man’s responsibility to preserve it, to know it and to share it. We are not doing our job very well. For example, there was no J in Hebrew or Greek so Yahshua’s name could not have been Jesus. The first J was invented in the 16th century.

Aside from your error in the history of the Roman alphabet, there remains this greater reality:
There was none of the Roman letters in Iesous' name until translation. For those who live many countries that use Roman letters, J still is a 'Y' sound (Norway) or an 'H' sound (Mexico).

This latest argument of yours is morphologically incorrect and still inconsequential, imo.
I grew up speaking English in a Lutheran Church. When I said "Jesus," I was speaking of the Son of God, who has many names.

I agree that people seem to be careless about the name of God these days- but by this, I mean careless about His Name in the sense that He meant when He said

"And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them"

His Name is profaned by the actions of those, whether they call Him Jesus or Y'shua, who make it appear as if God condones self-righteousness, arrogance, judgement, slander, gossip, sloth, or immorality. They make it appear so because they claim His Name.

Therefore, the issue, imo, is not whether we use a J or a Yod, but whether we do His commandments and show His mercy.

The NT was written in Greek. The Greek alphabet doesn’t have a Y or the SH sound of Yahshua. Further the A sound at the end of his name conflicts with Greek grammar. So the NT writers did their best to transliterate it with the following sounds: EE AY SU. The initial letter was the Greek equivalent of our I. When the Anglo Saxons and the Germanic tribes developed their written languages twelve centuries later, they didn’t like the Greek or Latin words that started with an I. So they gave the I a tail and it became a J. Further, one of the five declinations of the Greek transliteration ended with an S to be consistent with Greek grammar rules. Unfortunately, the translators of the KJV choose that one in 1611. So there you have it.

What exactly do we have? Are you suggesting that the letters themselves have latent powers?

It would be best if each person would take the time to learn the ancient languages to read for themselves. Then they would see that the English translators over the years have actually done a pretty sterling job of presenting the message.
Regards
Iakovos

 

[FaithInTheWord]

Wrong. Easter is Pagan and has 100% of it's roots in Babylon and thus Satanic. It has to do with the Sun crossing the vernal equinox and impregnating mother earth. Nine months later the rebirth of the sun god-Christmas.
These have zero to do with Yahweh, the God who inspired the book we call the Bible. Had we not replaced His annual meetings with pagan ones, we would know that He was offered up in our stead on Passover. His soul went to be afflicted in sheol(hell) to remove our sin on the Miqra of Unleavened bread-symbolic of the removal of sin. He was taken up(not descended) on the Miqra of Firstfruits(the wave offering was the first saints resurrected spoken of in all 4 gospels). Fifty days later on the Miqra of weeks(Pentecost) the spirit came to the followers. Because we are mostly ignorant of His word(we don't even know His name even though He told us 7000 times) we think Christmas and Easter are affiliated with Yahweh. We claim that palm Sunday is when Jesus came riding into Jerusalem on a donkey, yet that would make it 5 days before the passover when regulations outlined in Leviticus says 4. It calls for the perfect lamb to arrive 4 days before Passover. Yahshua arrived right on time, not Sunday. The answer to your question is Easter has nothing to do with God. It is Pagan and an abomination to Him.

Thank you so much for pointing that out. I thought for a moment I was the only one that felt that way. I get so offended by the so called Easter holiday, especially when I see churches have Easter egg hunts around their grounds. I would prefer that if they want to call this day anything, that they would say Resurrection Day…

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

The question is....what's the reason? Some are so steeped in religion that they are incapable of rational thought. The amount of evidence is inconsequential. They ignore, ridicule and dismiss, every single piece of evidence they see, and believe a man on Sunday that can not furnish a lick of proof to justify the corruptions of Yahweh's words. Christmas and Easter have NOTHING to do with God,

Christmas is common parlance for 'the Nativity According to the Flesh of our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ.' This feast of the Church was always tied to Advent on
the front and Theophany on the conclusion. Theophany was once the greater and more central feast, where the revelation of Jesus as the Son of God in the Jordan began the salvation and redmeption of the creation.

Easter is common parlance for Pascha, or Passover, which was always celebrated on or around Nisan 14 to Nisan 16, or more properly, the first First day after each.

These two feasts have everything to do with the Incarnation and subsequent revelation, sacrifice, resurrection and triumph over death that the Savior of the World won for us.

Passover is simply a Jewish commemoration of a glorious event of deliverance for their nation. Great and Holy Passover is the celebration of our deliverance from ALL bondage, and has no business being celebrated or observed on Nisan 14, for He was not only a sacrifice, but the First Fruits.

I can cite and source the history of all of what I have said.

but "christians" want it to be true so bad they parrot lies even though they know the truth. There is a consequence for that. If we had any idea what the third commandment said, we would perhaps think differently. But maybe that commandment is null and void along with following the sabbath.
God doesn't change. Not even for you, believe it or not. Words are how Yahweh choose to reveal His message. If you don't think they are important, what can I say?

Words are only icons. It is the truth- rather, the Truth behind them that is holy. The words we read in scriptuyre are holy because God has preserved them for us in the Church, and because He inspires and breaths into our understanding through the Church. No doubt God, in His mercy, enables the understanding and wisdom of many who do not commune with the Church- we do not claim that there is no truth outside the Church. But He gave His revelation to the Church, not to any one person.

When I pray "Pater imon, o en tis ouranis"- and I do so with a very decent Greek pronunciation for an Anglo- it doesn't bring me any closer to God, speaking the words as they were written by the Apostles in Greek. I am sure that when you pray Our Father, who is in heaven your prayer is just as powerful as mine in Greek.

If I read David's psalm of repentance in Hebrew, or chant it in Greek, neither is as fruitful to those in the Church listening to me chant it in English, the language they are much more fluent in (me too).

There is carelessness with the scriptures in translation and exegesis, of that I have no doubt- I've seen many a preacher stretch a passage of scripture. THAT is carelessness with the scripture- pronunciation and spelling are of little or no consquence.
Regards
James

 

[Child_of_Yahweh]

The question is....what's the reason? Some are so steeped in religion that they are incapable of rational thought. The amount of evidence is inconsequential. They ignore, ridicule and dismiss, every single piece of evidence they see, and believe a man on Sunday that can not furnish a lick of proof to justify the corruptions of Yahweh's words. Christmas and Easter have NOTHING to do with God, but "christians" want it to be true so bad they parrot lies even though they know the truth. There is a consequence for that. If we had any idea what the third commandment said, we would perhaps think differently. But maybe that commandment is null and void along with following the sabbath.
God doesn't change. Not even for you, believe it or not. Words are how Yahweh choose to reveal His message. If you don't think they are important, what can I say?

 

[Melethiel]

I find it interesting the Yahwehishisname has yet to provide ANY proof for his claims.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

I will be busy over the next few days but if you think something I said is in err, than I will provide the evidence.

RDR, I'm not going to argue with you, We clearly serve the same spirit. You are intelligent and I am confident that you are aware of the satanic corruptions the church(erroneously translated from ekklesia) has done to His word, and message. I am also confident that you are aware of what He thinks about today's church.
One thing I would like you to look at is, the fact that His meetings/Miqra/set apart, scheduled days, that have been replaced with pagan ones, are not for Jews. He says they are HIS. And He says he wants them observed forever.

And easter is not common parlance for Passover. Thats what got the translators into the mess with act 12. Easter is a pagan ritual from Babylon.
The Christianization of Pagan holidays began about the fourth century A.D. with the Roman Emperor Constantine, a sun god worshiper. In order to consolidate his rule, he incorporated the Pagan holidays and festivals into the church ritual - attracting the Pagans, but he gave the holidays and festivals new "Christian" names and identities - thus appeasing the Christians. Over the centuries, this practice has continued until the present time where we find the two systems, Paganism and Christianity, almost indistinguishable.
This is the Adversary's clever deception - Paganism dressed up in Christian clothes! It's still nothing more than Paganism, but the Christian churches have wholeheartedly embraced this deception.
Passover is His sacrifice. Easter has been associated with His resurrection, which was on firstfruits. I wish passover fell on a Thursday that year so all this would be gone ....well then I guess they would have an accurate reason for palm Sunday

 

[Oblio]

You are intelligent and I am confident that you are aware of the satanic corruptions the church(erroneously translated from ekklesia) has done to His word, and message. I am also confident that you are aware of what He thinks about today's church.

Even though it is Lent ...

/me hands Iakavos a Scotch

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Lent itself is based upon the Babylonian practice of weeping for Tammuz—the Son of the Sun. Sorry

 

[Oblio]

Lent itself is based upon the Babylonian practice of weeping for Tammuz—the Son of the Sun. Sorry

Yeah, Right

You have yet to provide any scholarly or Scriptural evidence of any of your claims. Why start now

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Yeah, I just make this stuff up.

 

[Oblio]

You and the Sacred Namer sect.

We await primary cites from reputable sources, not some TFH prophet on the internet.