Question about Atkins

[Viv]

My husband and I love the "diet" and plan to stay on it for life. It isn't dangerous (and I'm a nurse) but most people don't take the time to read the book and do it properly. It isn't just meat eggs, and cheese (in fact some people stall on the cheese!!). It veggies, and chicken, and almost anything you ate before but made without white flour, sugar...thus less carbs. I make wonderful breads, cereals, and yogurt...we are healthier (and have lab tests to prove it) on this diet. Many Drs. are recommending it now, but some still do not understand it, either.

Carbs break down into sugar in the body and we get far too much sugar, already. On the Atkin's diet you use up all available "sugar" in the first 3 days or so ...thus your body dips into "stored fat" to burn as fuel. On a "low-fat" diet you often cut calories so low to lose...you end up burning muscle. I have done both, and LOVE this way. We are not hungry at all, get to eat wonderful foods, and are dropping weight like crazy! I have given all the sugar and carbs away out of my pantry and fridge. I think God everyday for giving us this way of eating!

 

[Key Of David]

OUR BODIES PROCESS MEAT BETTER THAN VEGGIES!!!!!???????


read the geninsis the orginal diet that God made and had planned for man to live by was vegitarian diet. now from dr. Adkins we can conclude a couple of things.

1) that God didn't have a clue about what was best for man's health
or
2) that Dr. adkins is wrong.

i think i will side with God on this one.

There is no point in arguing the greater picture with an atheistic, science loving mind. Without God, there are gray areas and lies...and what isn't even science even seems this way to those with preconcieved ideas and desires. Those who go against the bible cannot prove beyond the shadow of any doubt that they are right...nor NEVER will they. I recently read an article that caught my attention when it went on to say....


The Atkins-style Diet
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This diet needs a full article, if not a dissertation, in itself. Let's just say that extremely low-carb diets carry even greater risk of glycogen depletion and muscle catabolism than the 40-30-30 approach. In purposeful disagreement with the Food Guide Pyramid, Atkins folks swing the pendulum far in the opposite direction, encouraging intake of dietary fat. America's obsession with carbs is berated and these necessary nutrients are demonized. [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Although I personally (and professionally) have a great interest in manipulating various types of dietary lipids, I recognize the imbalance that's evident here. The Atkins style of near-ketotic dieting is as disproportionate as the entrenched pro-carb doctrine that it's trying to replace. The truth is, neither carbs nor fats should be demonized. That seems to be our problem — we're all seeking a "perfect enemy" when none exists.[/font]

You see those with preconcieved ideas seem to make what they want to be true. The truth is there is no balanced diet for the general American population. It isn't Atkins or anything else. Each individual should do the math and watch his/her calories. Its plain as day...and you don't need a doctor to tell you this.....or if you do...well....no use in talking to ya.

 

[catalyst]

There is no point in arguing the greater picture with an atheistic, science loving mind. Without God, there are gray areas and lies...and what isn't even science even seems this way to those with preconcieved ideas and desires. Those who go against the bible cannot prove beyond the shadow of any doubt that they are right...nor NEVER will they. I recently read an article that caught my attention when it went on to say....

The fallacies continue. You have displayed utterly no understanding of science, yet you who cannot support your statmetns criticize those who do? Apparently you have no understanding of integrity either. And yes, that is an ad hominem attack, but if you are allowed to get away with it, I must be able to as well, no?

Your lack of understanding of the process of critical thinking continues as nothing can be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt utilizing science. However, bear in mind that faith is not proof, or do you not know what faith means either.

The Atkins-style Diet
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This diet needs a full article, if not a dissertation, in itself. Let's just say that extremely low-carb diets carry even greater risk of glycogen depletion and muscle catabolism than the 40-30-30 approach.[/font]

Prove it. I have shown otherwise, it is your turn now. Otherwise, this will be yet another baseless assertion, the kind you seem to specialize in. Perhaps I should just cut and paste a response to you asking you to support your assertions, as I am at least into double digits counting the number of times I have done so.

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In purposeful disagreement with the Food Guide Pyramid, Atkins folks swing the pendulum far in the opposite direction, encouraging intake of dietary fat. America's obsession with carbs is berated and these necessary nutrients are demonized. [/font]

There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. And the food pyramid has been called into question by numerous scientists, nutritionists, physicians, etc. Oops.

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Although I personally (and professionally) have a great interest in manipulating various types of dietary lipids, I recognize the imbalance that's evident here. The Atkins style of near-ketotic [/font]

Ketotic? Apparently whatever (I will not say whoever) wrote this does not understand the difference between diabetic ketosis and dietary ketosis. A common mistake, however, this does not mean that people who make this mistake should be giving dietary advice, now, does it?

You see those with preconcieved ideas seem to make what they want to be true.

Could not have said it better myself. Practice what you preach. I was not a fan of anything even vaguely resembling a ketogenic diet for a long time, utilizing them only to make weight for competitions as a measure of desperation. However, with a little actual research and practice, I was able to utilize them without the decrease in performance I had expected.

The truth is there is no balanced diet for the general American population.

Then why would you post something about the food pyramid, which strives to be exactly that? Not exactly consistent, now, are we?

no use in talking to ya

You are finally correct, although not for the reasons you imagine.

 

[Salsa_1960]

There is no point in arguing the greater picture with an atheistic, science loving mind. Without God, there are gray areas and lies...and what isn't even science even seems this way to those with preconcieved ideas and desires. Those who go against the bible cannot prove beyond the shadow of any doubt that they are right...nor NEVER will they. I recently read an article that caught my attention when it went on to say....

Catalyst may be an agnostic, but what he is saying about the ketogenic diet and epilepsy is very true.

Long before most all of the modern antiepileptic drugs (AED's) were on the market, diets low in carbohydrates were used to treat the disorder. It works well in many children and has even been successful in some adults.

Here is a good link from the John Hopkins Epilepsy Center about the Ketogenic Diet and its benefits in treating seizures: http://www.neuro.jhmi.edu/Epilepsy/keto.html

Interview with Epileptologist John Freeman: http://www.neuro.jhmi.edu/BrainWaves/2003_Fall/freeman.htm

 

[Key Of David]

You are finally correct, although not for the reasons you imagine.

Your ranting attacks on my intelligence and education are really beginning to show your true colors. I proved that I don't need to post mine the forum with articles of OTHER people's work, and insult anyone in the way. I merely do as everyone else and give opinion. Sorry you feel the need to bash.

Looks like another one for the iggy button.

 

[catalyst]

Your ranting attacks on my intelligence and education are really beginning to show your true colors. I proved that I don't need to post mine the forum with articles of OTHER people's work, and insult anyone in the way. I merely do as everyone else and give opinion. Sorry you feel the need to bash.

Looks like another one for the iggy button.

You keep using terms like prove incorrectly. What am I supposed to think?

And you think you have not been insulting? Truly?

And I was not post mining. I was asked to support my statements, which I did, via peer reviewed research. Rather than just posting the references, I posted the abstracts so that anyone who was honestly interested in reading them could do so. This is how one supports their statements, making them more than mere assertions.

A technique that you could possibly learn?

 

[Viv]

I am removing myself from this "Christian" forum. I have never met such arguing people! Please do not comment on the Atkin's (NOT "Adkins") way of life unless you have read all his books and STUDIED the literature he has published and researched. I have never heard so many people talk about something they don't know anything about at all, in my life! I am an RN, have read the books, understand the physiology behind his concepts, AND live on the Atkins way of life. My Cholesterol is great, and I (and my husband ) have the lab tests to prove it. My Dr. endorses the diet. It isn't at all dangerous, and there has NEVER been a case of kidney damage due to this diet!! I eat lots of vegetables and eat healthier than ever before. What's more...who said you had to go off? We don't EVER plan to go off this diet (Dr. Atkin's provided for the CCL "Critical Carb Limit") so each person can determine how many carbs he can have daily WITHOUT gaining!! What a gift from God! I have no sugar or high carb stuff in my pantry OR refrigerator and I make lucious cheesecakes, wonderful Chicken Alfredo with broccoli...etc. on this diet. Please, people, either study the WHOLE program or just leave the subject alone. You are beating a dead horse!!! I won't respond because this forum is not the "encouraging," "uplifing" forum I am looking for. I mean Geesh people...even if you DON't agree...is the way you are atttacking this deceased man and this plan Christian? I wouldn't attack the Weight Watcher's plan or other diet this way...?! Think about it...PLEASE! This is my second and LAST post.

 

[aimejl]

I am on the adkins diet and I have lost 20 pounds in 4 months. That is about 2-3 pounds a week. I eat oatmeal for breakfast, lunch I eat a salad, and for dinner I have chicken and a veggie. It is not exactly the way the adkin diet is but it follows most of the rules to it. I don't eat that many carbs though.

 

[Key Of David]

I just heard on the radio driving home from work.....information has leaked out that Dr. Atkins did not die from slipping on an ice cube. He died of a simultaneous heart attack/cardiac arrest. If that is not enough....he was 248 lbs OVERWEIGHT! His widow is VERY upset that this information is out....of course because she won't get that next fat sale she was dreaming of launching...just as things were getting hot.

She said, "My husband, 'Fatty' I used to call him, would NOT appreciate this AT ALL!"

Seriously though.....I never needed this 'shocking' story to tell me the whole thing was one big scam....why?

1) I've been into bodybuilding and nutrition ever since I was 15 yrs old. I've read enough to know what I'm talking about and what is REAL. Carbs are real....saturated fat is BAD BAD BAD. Unfortunately....the supplement/health food/nutrition industry is full of terribly misleading diets, supplements, programs, and just guidance in general. Why? $$$ Its one of the saddest things going on in today's world.

2) Anyone who claims that someone has nothing to hide and you should believe every word he/she says....and then the cause of death is just, "He slipped on an ice cube..." is just ignoring the whole picture. No one dies from slipping on an ice cube. One may die of head injuries, etc.....but one does not die from simply slipping on an ice cube folks.

Use your brain folks.....

 

[catalyst]

You may want to actual research what you heard on the radio today. There were medical reasons he was over weight following cardiomyopathty.

I am sure you will not.

You comments about his widow, who has lost someone she loved, and then has the benefit of hearing him publicy mocked by narrow minded hypocrites is nothing less than utterly pathetic. Can you possibly be any more cowardly?

No one has said carbs are fake.

Ketogenic dieting recommends limiting the intake of saturated fat.

 

[Salsa_1960]

"He slipped on an ice cube..." is just ignoring the whole picture. No one dies from slipping on an ice cube. One may die of head injuries, etc.....but one does not die from simply slipping on an ice cube folks.

Use your brain folks.....

Do you just enjoy being mean?

There was an upright citizen in a community near ours who died just within weeks of Atkins death. Similar incident. It was the morning following his retirement party. He was outside getting his mail. There was ice on his driveway. He lost his balance, fell backwards, hit his head, and died of a head injury. He was close friends with the principal at my youngest daughter's school.

I can't speak for Atkins, but it can and does happen. You say you're a Christian. You should think before you "speak."

 

[Key Of David]

In your last post you said...

Do you just enjoy being mean?

and then you went on to say....

There was an upright citizen in a community near ours who died just within weeks of Atkins death. Similar incident. It was the morning following his retirement party. He was outside getting his mail. There was ice on his driveway. He lost his balance, fell backwards, hit his head, and died of a head injury. He was close friends with the principal at my youngest daughter's school.

The significant thing about what you said was the details you gave of his death. He didn't die from slipping on an ice cube...he died of a head injury. Dr. Atkins, I have heard and read a thousand times....."died when he slipped on an ice cube on his way to a meeting."

WHAT KILLED HIM AND WHY WEREN'T THE DETAILS GIVEN?

Maybe I should have been a cop....who knows. One thing I know for sure is I never believed the story because it held something back. Maybe this wasn't obvious to those who want to remain on this diet...but it is blatant to me. I'm not mean and don't like mean people...but I do speak the truth when I feel its warranted.

I can't speak for Atkins, but it can and does happen. You say you're a Christian. You should think before you "speak."

I don't know what you're talking about here.....but being a Christian has nothing to do with being a myth buster. I'll bust myths til the cows come home.

 

[catalyst]

I don't know what you're talking about here.....but being a Christian has nothing to do with being a myth buster. I'll bust myths til the cows come home.

Then perhaps you should quit perpetuating them. The details of his death would be readily available to anyone capable of a google search.

I am fairly certain I can do without police officers incapable of such an advanced detection technique.

 

[Dagna]

If you do a google search, you'll find a CNN, a BBC and a USAToday article (I'm sure there's more) that all explain that he slipped on ice, suffered massive brain injury, went into a coma, had surgery to remove the clot that developed in his brain, and subsequently died. His death certificate even states that he died from blunt trauma to the head. I'm sure all the Atkin's critics would love to believe he died from a heart attack, but no news reports state that he did, and his death certificate doesn't say he died from a heart attack, so at this point, I'm wondering if the Atkin's critics are making it up....

 

[catalyst]

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-10-2004/0002106789&EDATE=

You will note that certain posters whose agenda consists primarily of avoiding admitting they made a mistake will go to great lengths to avoid leanring something.

Said posters, of course, shall remain nameless.

 

[Key Of David]

It seems I am not the only one out there who feels the way I do about Dr. Atkins and his "healthy" diet. The mayor of NYC seemed to have a little truth to say on the subject himself.....afterall, he knew him personally.....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/156931p-137839c.html

 

[Dagna]

In my opinion, what the mayor said was rude, tasteless and he should apologize to Dr. Atkins widow. However he has refused to do so and I have no respect for that man whatsoever. To make comments like he did and then to just brush it off as a "joke" is bad politics and as I said before, very rude. I ultimately don't care what people say about the Atkins diet, but to attack the man personally, and make rude comments is completely uncalled for. The man is dead, let him rest in peace. Try to attack and poke holes in the diet all you want but Dr. Atkins personal history should be left out of it. I can't even begin to imagine what his widow must be going through right now. To lose her husband and then to have to deal with the personal attacks on her husband...

 

[catalyst]

It seems I am not the only one out there who feels the way I do about Dr. Atkins and his "healthy" diet. The mayor of NYC seemed to have a little truth to say on the subject himself.....afterall, he knew him personally.....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/156931p-137839c.html

Apparently you are not the only rude, inconsiderate, uncaring hypocrite who cannot substantiate his assertions, no.

Did you and the other vultures even wait until the body was cold before you started picking it over?

I bet your god is real proud of you.

 

[Key Of David]

In my opinion, what the mayor said was rude, tasteless and he should apologize to Dr. Atkins widow. However he has refused to do so and I have no respect for that man whatsoever. To make comments like he did and then to just brush it off as a "joke" is bad politics and as I said before, very rude. I ultimately don't care what people say about the Atkins diet, but to attack the man personally, and make rude comments is completely uncalled for. The man is dead, let him rest in peace. Try to attack and poke holes in the diet all you want but Dr. Atkins personal history should be left out of it. I can't even begin to imagine what his widow must be going through right now. To lose her husband and then to have to deal with the personal attacks on her husband...

I'm not trying to make light of her situation at all...I'm sure it was a loss for her....but the truth is...it doesn't seem to be affecting her ability to "carry on" the business....does it? While I don't think she deserves any ill treatment and sympathies should be given their due....you have to remember Dr. Atkins was a self made public figure.....and made himself what seems to be a growing empire on what is just another diet craze focused solely on losing fat. There have been many victims claimed by the misinformation he made his empire off of....and you have to realize he's going to get criticism...dead or alive.

 

[Dagna]

It's a "growing empire" because it works. I don't think all the people on this diet would be on it if it didn't. And done correctly, it's perfectly safe and healthy. Criticism of his diet is one thing but personal attacks are a completely different story. Calling him fat and spreading stories regarding his death that simply aren't true, is something totally different however. I see that as a desperate attempt to discredit him beacause so many studies are now showing that the Atkins diet and low-carb diets are safe and do work.