Quantum Superposition, Simulations, Simulated realities, and other thoughts.

[Ana the Ist]

Whatever is on your mind about the subject really. I'm seeking to leave it pretty open in this thread really.

Take Care/God Bless.

Alright....

Considering your analogy of video games and simulation theory in respect to what I think is known as "draw-in distance"....

I can sort of see how the vastness of space and the limitations of light speed showing us stars long after they've died and gone out is in some ways similar.

I'll leave other musings for later.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not all LLMs are dumb.

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In another thread this version came up with a brilliant solution in showing the speed of light in two opposite directions must be same or the cosmic radiation background would be highly anisotropic at 0 degrees and 180 degrees relative to the observer.
I would never had thought up this solution and neither did an astrophysicist I posed the solution to.

I'm sure some are more sophisticated....I read about story about one trying to "escape" which may be true or not. It implies the AI concluded to both evade deletion and deceive testers all on it's own....which is a scary amount of abstract reasoning.

 

[Chesterton]

I believe that science is more and more trying to tell us that this is a simulated reality, but that it's just very, very difficult for us to fully accept that, or see that really.

Christianity makes this very easy to accept. In the opening chapter of our sacred book, we read "God created man in His image". There you have it. Something, or Someone, is being simulated. Combine this with the teaching that "Ye are little gods" in both the Old and New Testaments. And combine that with the fact that we are the only animal that can create art, and not just art, but representative art, i.e., a man can create an image of a tree, or an elephant, or an image of another man. If you seriously consider all this, plus some other things, Christianity becomes as obvious as the nose on your face.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Christianity makes this very easy to accept. In the opening chapter of our sacred book, we read "God created man in His image". There you have it. Something, or Someone, is being simulated. Combine this with the teaching that "Ye are little gods" in both the Old and New Testaments. And combine that with the fact that we are the only animal that can create art, and not just art, but representative art, i.e., a man can create an image of a tree, or an elephant, or an image of another man. If you seriously consider all this, plus some other things, Christianity becomes as obvious as the nose on your face.

Well done. I was thinking long about art angle myself but ultimately decided it was too rambling and unfocused.

 

[Chesterton]

Well done. I was thinking long about art angle myself but ultimately decided it was too rambling and unfocused.

Well thank you, but I have to give credit where credit is due. The idea comes from a succinct quote by G. K. Chesterton: "Art is the signature of man."

I would follow that with, maybe, it could be said that man is the signature of God.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well thank you, but I have to give credit where credit is due. The idea comes from a succinct quote by G. K. Chesterton: "Art is the signature of man."

I would follow that with, maybe, it could be said that man is the signature of God.

Doesn't speak well for god lol.

 

[Chesterton]

Doesn't speak well for god lol.

That was funny, but it actually does speak well that he granted us the dignity of freedom. It speaks poorly of us that we misuse it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That was funny, but it actually does speak well that he granted us the dignity of freedom. It speaks poorly of us that we misuse it.

I was sort of joking....but if you prefer to continue down this line....

I would agree with you if God made us inclined to good and not evil. Christian god demands we act as we are not....as good and virtuous and righteous creatures. He doesn't demand we act as he sees us....vile with sin and inclined towards all manner of vice and badness.

If we are his signature, made in his image, then perhaps God lies about how good he really is as much as we do.

 

[Chesterton]

I was sort of joking....but if you prefer to continue down this line....

I would agree with you if God made us inclined to good and not evil. Christian god demands we act as we are not....as good and virtuous and righteous creatures. He doesn't demand we act as he sees us....vile with sin and inclined towards all manner of vice and badness.

I'm not exactly sure what this part of your post means.

If we are his signature, made in his image, then perhaps God lies about how good he really is as much as we do.

First of all, you'll notice I said "...maybe, it could be said...". So that was a thought off the top of my head, and not a hill I'm ready to die on.

But following your thought, no matter how good the parents are, they shouldn't procreate? They shouldn't produce a child which has the potential to do bad things, when it also has the potential to do good things?

 

[Neogaia777]

I would agree with you if God made us inclined to good and not evil. Christian god demands we act as we are not....as good and virtuous and righteous creatures. He doesn't demand we act as he sees us....vile with sin and inclined towards all manner of vice and badness.

I hope you don't mind me jumping in, etc.

God, in general, or with the most genral usage of the word or term "God", etc, sees both the good and the bad within humans, etc.

If we are his signature, made in his image, then perhaps God lies about how good he really is as much as we do.

If you're referring to God in and of the OT, or even Jesus Christ, then the word you are looking for is "faultless" or "blameless", etc, and it's often decided or determined by ones own level of knowledge or knowing for absolutely sure, etc. God in the OT might have started out with the potential for both good and bad, like us, etc.

Take Care.

 

[AV1611VET]

If it takes 3 hours to dry 3 towels on a clothes line....how long does it take to dry 6 towels?

Three hours.

 

[bhillyard]

It depends on the length of the clothes line.

 

[Chesterton]

It depends on a planet's distance from its nearby star.

 

[Ana the Ist]

First of all, you'll notice

Probably your first mistake....assuming I'll notice relevant information.

I said "...maybe, it could be said...". So that was a thought off the top of my head, and not a hill I'm ready to die on.

Fair enough....I can keep it light.

But following your thought, no matter how good the parents are, they shouldn't procreate?

I didn't say that lol....I'm not even sure how you got there.

But now that we're here...I've definitely met children that shouldn't have been conceived and parents who shouldn't have procreated.

They shouldn't produce a child which has the potential to do bad things, when it also has the potential to do good things?

How did it turn to child production?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Three hours.

Well done @AV1611VET ....

Little known fact around here is that I'm actually a not very advanced rogue AI. People sometimes think Ana the Ist mean "An Atheist" but you'll notice that the letters capitalized are actually A and I.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I hope you don't mind me jumping in, etc.

Not at all.

God, in general, or with the most genral usage of the word or term "God", etc, sees both the good and the bad within humans, etc.

Ok.

If you're referring to God in and of the OT, or even Jesus Christ, then the word you are looking for is "faultless" or "blameless", etc, and it's often decided or determined by ones own level of knowledge or knowing for absolutely sure, etc. God in the OT might have started out with the potential for both good and bad, like us, etc.

Take Care.

I'm just suggesting, like most powerful men who write their autobiography....there's always a narrative bend towards emphasizing one's own good and rationalizing one's own bad....

I mean look at Job.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well done @AV1611VET ....

Little known fact around here is that I'm actually a not very advanced rogue AI. People sometimes think Ana the Ist mean "An Atheist" but you'll notice that the letters capitalized are actually A and I.

Interesting.

I didn't see that.

 

[Neogaia777]

I'm just suggesting, like most powerful men who write their autobiography....there's always a narrative bend towards emphasizing one's own good and rationalizing one's own bad....

I mean look at Job.

Ok.

Take Care.

 

[Chesterton]

I didn't say that lol....I'm not even sure how you got there.

But now that we're here...I've definitely met children that shouldn't have been conceived and parents who shouldn't have procreated.

Agreed. I once met Kamala Harris.

How did it turn to child production?

Well if you produce a child you're producing an intelligent, free will agent.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well if you produce a child you're producing an intelligent, free will agent.

According to evolution, they're called "wise men" ... or Homo sapiens in the documents.

And according to Paul, that's a no-no.