Quantum Immortality Test

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
King James Version

'Things hoped for' and 'unseen' is not evidence, it is literally wishful thinking in the absence of evidence.

It is basically saying that this belief system considers faith to be 'evidence'. Charitably, it means that faith is evidence of belief without material evidence, or possibly the meaning of the word 'evidence' used there is not what it means today, but in any case, quoting a dubious assertion from a translation of an ancient book isn't an argument and doesn't change the logic of contemporary semantics.

 

[JohnEmmett]

quoting a dubious assertion from a translation of an ancient book…

And I thought it was easy to understand…

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

And I thought it was easy to understand…

No problem, glad to help.

 

[JohnEmmett]

not evidence, it is literally wishful thinking in the absence of evidence.

Faith leads to discovery.

Doubt leads nowhere…

 

[Ophiolite]

Faith leads to discovery.

Doubt leads nowhere…

All your roads lead to roaming pointlessly.

 

[JohnEmmett]

All your roads lead to roaming pointlessly.

Recalcitrant yet again

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Faith leads to discovery.

Doubt leads nowhere…

No. Faith leads to stagnation, doubt leads to investigation.

 

[JohnEmmett]

No. Faith leads to stagnation, doubt leads to investigation.

Then investigate… Find the truth…

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Then investigate… Find the truth…

That's (roughly) what science does.

 

[JohnEmmett]

That's (roughly) what science does.

Don't you fear death?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Don't you fear death?

Not really, no - I won't exist. I take the Epicurean and Stoic view. My task is to manage the fear of dying unpleasantly.

“Death is nothing to us. When we exist, death is not; and when death exists, we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the belief that in death, there is awareness." Epicurus

“Death, like birth, is just a natural process, material elements combining, growing, decaying and finally separating and completely dispersing.” Marcus Aurelius, Meditations IV.5

“Wretched indeed is the man who in the course of a long life has not learned that death is nothing to be feared. For death either completely destroys the human soul, in which case it is negligible, or takes the soul to a place where it can live forever, which makes it desirable. There is no third possibility.” Cicero

 

[JohnEmmett]

Not really, no - I won't exist.

Wishful thinking.

 

[JohnEmmett]

“For death … takes the soul to a place where it can live forever, which makes it desirable.” Cicero

Not all realms are desirable.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Not all realms are desirable.

Given the absence of evidence, I don't subscribe to the idea of 'other realms'.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Given the absence of evidence, I don't subscribe to the idea of 'other realms'.

Faith again…

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Faith again…

Lol! No. Faith is accepting a claim without evidence.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Faith is accepting a claim without evidence.

Evidence will come.

The truth is out there…

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Evidence will come.
The truth is out there…

Fine; let me know when it arrives. Until then I will justifiably remain sceptical.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Fine; let me know when it arrives. Until then I will justifiably remain skeptical.

After faith…

 

[JohnEmmett]

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