Pyramids and the flood

[Job 33:6]

No but what is clear is that Jesus veiws. Those ressurrected from the dead , as dead. And those like Abraham , Isaac and Jacob are alive. By faith inthe Lord and BY THE POWER OF HIS CROSS AND HIS RESSERECTION , THEY ALL WERE RESSURRECTED 2000 YEARS AGO. THANK YOU JESUS!

That's a contradiction with Matthew 22. If they were ressurected following the resurrection of Jesus, then they were not ressurected before Jesus' ressurection.

They're either ressurected before Jesus, or after Jesus. Not both.

Which means that there is a difference between being "alive" (Matthew 22, before the resurrection of Christ) and being ressurected following the resurrection of Christ (Matthew 27).

And you're trying to conflate the two as if they are the same thing. It's a plain and simple contradiction.

 

[Reneep]

What do you mean, that people are confused about what an angel is? If Peter and Jude refer to angels locked up in Tartarus, are you saying that they are actually speaking of men?

Those are probable the Sons of God locked up and maybe their eternal children . You m8ght call them angels. Technically I believe they are from the daughters of Eve mak8ng the " SONS OF God " locked there because they had physical and eternal bodies. Unlike some demons
Which are powers and authorities. Not bodies..

 

[Reneep]

Which means that there is a difference between being "alive" (Matthew 22) and being ressurected (Matthew 27).

That's the point.. the ressurrected are spiritually dead. Awareness is not " His life "

His Life is the only kind of Life granted By God. Awareness isn't life. But he gives eternal life sparingly as the results of A blanket/ COVENANTed kind of " salvation " is found in Tarterus.

 

[Job 33:6]

That's the point.. the ressurrected are spiritually dead. Awareness is not " His life "

His Life is the only kind of Life granted By God. Awareness isn't life. But he gives eternal life sparingly as the results of A blanket/ COVENANTed kind of " salvation " is found in Tarterus.

Yea, eventually they are ressurected. But in Matthew 22, they are not yet ressurected. Jesus himself was not even yet ressurected, let alone the saints.

And that's important because, when Jesus says that the saints are "alive" or "living" in Matthew 22, that shouldn't be conflated with being "ressurected". These are two different things. Associated in some ways, but not the same.

The saints, in Matthew 22, still have yet to be ressurected. As described in Matthew 27.

And so when Jesus says that the Angels do not marry in heaven, after the ressurection, he's not talking about the sons of God. The sons of God aren't in heaven following the resurrection. They committed their sins before the ressurection. Jesus's statement about not marrying, doesn't apply to them. Because their sins came before the resurrection. Hence why they're locked up in prison until judgment Day as noted in Jude and second Peter.

 

[Reneep]

Yea, eventually they are ressurected. But in Matthew 22, they are not yet ressurected. Jesus himself was not even yet ressurected, let alone the saints.

And that's important because, when Jesus says that the saints are "alive" or "living" in Matthew 22, that shouldn't be conflated with being "ressurected". These are two different things. Associated in some ways, but not the same.

The saints, in Matthew 22, still have yet to be ressurected. As described in Matthew 27.

And so when Jesus says that the Angels do not marry in heaven, after the ressurection, he's not talking about the sons of God. The sons of God aren't in heaven following the resurrection. They committed their sins before the ressurection. Jesus's statement about not marrying, doesn't apply to them. Because their sins came before the resurrection. Hence why they're locked up in prison until judgment Day as noted in Jude and second Peter.

Not all of the Sons of God fell. Just a few did. What was it about 20 Enoch says the legend says ? There is thousands of the seed of Eve starting with Abel.. And they know their Jobs. We might veiw them as what we Understand as angels, but even Michael is team Michael and his human part is a man called Ayes , brother of Alicione and brother of Haydes. And is the younger brother pictured on Narmers palette on the bottom with the two dead young men. JESUS'S. " KING OF KINGS " INHERITANCE AS A GENTILE IS IN THAT HISTORY THERE. REAL Angels are specific thing , AND NOT WHAT WE THINK THEY ARE.. THEY ARE WHAT GOD THINKS THEY ARE. J AJ

 

[Reneep]

OK so Father is birthing team bodies even today, so one kind of (Angel ) is what he told me is called the butterflies, colorfully " special " yes as in the special olympics. This team which make the butterflies do their jobs is all abour the real angels , powers , authorities, fruits of the spirit, thus the Fathers Spirit with the saraphim directing the flight. The Holy wings connected too a Holy Angel inside the packaging we call " the special angel " just like a demon can be in a human. A real angel + POWERS + AUTHORITIES + FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT + GIFTS LIKE SOLOMON AND HIS WISDOM, GLORIES .can be in a human shell also.

SATAN DID NOT INVENT what we call POSESSION, God did. BUT THAT WE CALL ANGELS IS TEAM EFFORT. A GROUP OF INHERITANCES / REWARDS. No sex for any of them except for maybe the human involved, and only if they are fully Alive. Aka Sons and Daughters of God. The specials involved probably will not marry but have some kind of spiritual bonding ceremonies. ( I call snuggle buddies) and May not be able to physically bond. But it is a new kind of marriage, not just one in flesh.

 

[Job 33:6]

OK so Father is birthing team bodies even today, so one kind of (Angel ) is what he told me is called the butterflies, colorfully " special " yes as in the special olympics. This team which make the butterflies do their jobs is all abour the real angels , powers , authorities, fruits of the spirit, thus the Fathers Spirit with the saraphim directing the flight. The Holy wings connected too a Holy Angel inside the packaging we call " the special angel " just like a demon can be in a human. A is real angel + POWERS + AUTHORITIES + FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT + GIFTS LIKE SOLOMON AND HIS WISDOM, GLORIES .can be in a human shell also.

SATAN DID NOT INVENT what we call POSESSION, God did. BUT THAT WE CALL ANGELS IS TEAM EFFORT. A GROUP OF INHERITANCES / REWARDS. No whooping for them

Are you saying that people in the special Olympics are angels?

 

[Reneep]

Are you saying that people in the special Olympics are angels?

Maybe a few, only about 8 that I know of are specials. Each with their own powers But He tried to explain these thngs to me because there is a 1000 year paying jobs involved. For the special and regular angels there is Jobs. And The parents of the 144000 king=priests of every tribe and nation , The parents become part of the team, external team.. and that is a job / inheritance / reward. ...Father and the throne room is in charge of the internal team .

 

[stevevw]

Moses gave us a historical account from Creation of the earth up to the exodus. One nice thing about historical accounts is that it’s plain to read. Here is what happened, here is who was involved, and here is the approximate time frame.

The trouble is we can show many examples of evidence for sites more than 6,000 years old. Theres no doubt with this. Refer to previous evidence I have linked.

 

[David Lamb]

This response denies the future bodily resurrection.

John 11:17-24 ESV
[17] Now when Jesus came, he found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb four days. [18] Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles off, [19] and many of the Jews had come to Martha and Mary to console them concerning their brother. [20] So when Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went and met him, but Mary remained seated in the house. [21] Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. [22] But even now I know that whatever you ask from God, God will give you.” [23] Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” [24] Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.”

It's improper to say that Jesus was implying that the resurrection on the last day had already occurred.

The Jews were not denying some already passed resurrection. They were speaking of the resurrection of the last day.

Daniel 12:1-6 ESV
[1] “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. [2] And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29: "An hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment."

No, I didn't (and don't) deny the future bodily resurrection. All I was doing was saying that the fact that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are described in the bible as being alive doesn't mean that they hadn't died, but they had died, and been resurrected, though not bodily yet. I imagine the poster I was replying to had these words of Jesus in mind:

“"But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."” (Mt 22:31-32 NKJV)

These words were part of His answer to the Sadducees, who deny the resurrection.

I apologise if I gave the impression that I was denying the future bodily resurrection.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes hints of that fact in Mathew 27 : 53 ? I find it interesting how Jesus speaks of the dead in paradice / in the terms as if they were " alive "in paradise. But yet they get ressurrected into this life. And they are " in life "now. . You can't keep the living in the grave. This subject is a difficult one. GOD IS THE God of life. And death does not control Him. But it is a hard teaching because of how the church believes and teaches us about Death. They don't give God the right to be the God of the living. It sounds like " reincarnation" so i had issues with what he had made very clear to me. Even showing me my "dead Christian ancestors " alive NOW . ABRAHAM AND SARAH AND MARRIED TO EACH OTHER, THEY ARE ALIVE NOW IN THIS LIFETIME !
PEOPLE I HAD JUST BEEN CARETAKING IN A HOSPICE SITUATION HAD NEW CHILD SIZE BODIES TO START A NEW LIFE ANOTHER GO ROUND. . IT IS TRULY MIND BINDING , ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE CLEARLY SEEING. OR MAYBE WHEN YOUR THEOLOGY HASNT CAUGHT UP TO WHAT YOUR EYES ARE CLEARLY SEEING.
OUR GOAL IN THIS LIFE IS TO INTER INTO HIS LIFE FULLY AND DEATH OF OLD BODIES WILL NEVER HOLD US.WE WILL JUST GO TO A NEW BODY "IN LIFE " AS JESUS SAID "GOD IS NOT GOD OF THE DEAD, GOD IS GOD OF THE LIVING." Abraham lives and Sarah is A beautiful woman. THE QUEEN OF SHEBAH IS BEAUTIFUL AND ABOUT 6FT2INCHES TALL AND AN IMPRESSIVE WOMAN ! OBVIOUSLY SHE WILL RISE TO JUDGE NATIONS BECAUSE SHE ENTERED INTO LIFE. AND ADAM AND EVE ARE NEARLY ABOUT 7 FEET TALL MAYBE MORE. THEY ARE ALIVE . HIS CHURCH DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OUR FATHER AND WHAT HE IS OFFERING HIS CHILDREN . ETERNAL LIFE CAN MEAN THINGS DIFFERENT WE SURE DIDNT TEACH NOR UNDERSTAND IT.

Where in the bible to you find that when we die we start again in a new body? That sounds like reincarnation to me, and that's not biblical. Where in the bible are we told that the Queen of Sheba is a still beautiful woman, and about 6ft 2in tall, or that Adam and Eve are now 7ft or more tall?

 

[Reneep]

Where in the bible to you find that when we die we start again in a new body? That sounds like reincarnation to me, and that's not biblical. Where in the bible are we told that the Queen of Sheba is a still beautiful woman, and about 6ft 2in tall, or that Adam and Eve are now 7ft or more tall?

I Seen them ! I HAVE EYE SALVE and HAVE HAD IT SINCE I WAS A YOUTH. But Jesus is getting ready to rock this world. It is a NOT a quick answer. So praying rev 3 and having patience AND EYES THAT SEE IS FOUNDATIONAL and the rapture IS NOT next , A SUKKAH IS NEXT the Sukkahs will come first and then he starts judging the church then judging the world teaching the world / nations righteousness. . He teachs the church righteousness. Then the worldly. Remember there is no feast of the rapture but mankind will celebrate for 1000 the feast of tabernacle / Sukkot. In the tabernacle is where his church births newborns bodies for Father's kingdom. Do you know that scripture every liberated woman has hated about women " being saved through childbirth " when the world is going into judgement and all that weeping a gnashing of teeth. That is what they women will be doing in the Sukkahs / tabernacles being safe / saved... now in star prophecy the concepts are called manger (one baby ) and Beehives (many babies) and their Queen mothers. Places where food and the young are protected and born.

Ps yes it is a hard saying, I struggled with it too... but the word reincarnation is a religion claiming man can work his way from a slug to a God. BUT GOD SAYS GOD IS GOD OF THE LIVING, AND CAN I SUGGEST WE NEED TO LET HIM BE GOD OF THE LIVING IF HE WANTS TO be that.
Because that is not his religion nor is it in anyway related to those concepts . He is going to do what needs to get done to save as many as possible. And those clothes in Rev three is having bodies to do his work in. You can't be in "heaven" and do Fathers will on earth. You have to have bodies to do the kind of work he needs his church to do while there is time, and before the doors are closed.
Yes our God is not God of the dead but God of the living . Where ever he wants us to be.

 

[David Lamb]

I Seen them ! I HAVE EYE SALVE and HAVE HAD IT SINCE I WAS A YOUTH. But Jesus is getting ready to rock this world. It is a NOT a quick answer. So praying rev 3 and having patience AND EYES THAT SEE IS FOUNDATIONAL and the rapture IS NOT next , A SUKKAH IS NEXT the Sukkahs will come first and then he starts judging the church then judging the world teaching the world / nations righteousness. . He teachs the church righteousness. Then the worldly. Remember there is no feast of the rapture but mankind will celebrate for 1000 the feast of tabernacle / Sukkot. In the tabernacle is where his church births newborns bodies for Father's kingdom. Do you know that scripture every liberated woman has hated about women " being saved through childbirth " when the world is going into judgement and all that weeping a gnashing of teeth. That is what they women will be doing in the Sukkahs / tabernacles being safe / saved... now in star prophecy the concepts are called manger (one baby ) and Beehives (many babies) and their Queen mothers. Places where food and the young are protected and born.

Ps yes it is a hard saying, I struggled with it too... but the word reincarnation is a religion claiming man can work his way from a slug to a God. BUT GOD SAYS GOD IS GOD OF THE LIVING, AND CAN I SUGGEST WE NEED TO LET HIM BE GOD OF THE LIVING IF HE WANTS TO be that.
Because that is not his religion nor is it in anyway related to those concepts . He is going to do what needs to get done to save as many as possible. And those clothes in Rev three is having bodies to do his work in. You can't be in "heaven" and do Fathers will on earth. You have to have bodies to do the kind of work he needs his church to do while there is time, and before the doors are closed.
Yes our God is not God of the dead but God of the living . Where ever he wants us to be.

Thanks for replying, but your post doesn't answer what I asked. My first question was: "Where in the bible to you find that when we die we start again in a new body?" (Incidentally, I'm not talking about our resurrected bodies at the Second Coming of Christ.)

My second question was: "Where in the bible are we told that the Queen of Sheba is a still beautiful woman, and about 6ft 2in tall, or that Adam and Eve are now 7ft or more tall?"

In both cases, I asked about bible teaching. The only bible passage you mentioned in your reply was Revelation 3, but there is nothing there about the reincarnation idea you were putting forward, or about the height of the Queen of Sheba, or of Adam and Eve. I know you said, "and those clothes in Rev three is having bodies to do his work in." However, there is nothing in Revelation 3 to suggest that the garments mentioned mean reincarnation:

“"He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.” (Re 3:5 NKJV)

You mention a Sukkah being next. What do you mean? Sukkah is the name given to the temporary booths Israelites live in during the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[Job 33:6]

No, I didn't (and don't) deny the future bodily resurrection. All I was doing was saying that the fact that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are described in the bible as being alive doesn't mean that they hadn't died, but they had died, and been resurrected, though not bodily yet. I imagine the poster I was replying to had these words of Jesus in mind:

You should understand that you were agreeing with someone who shared that verse in an effort to suggest that they were already ressurected (in a bodily sense). Hence why the sadducees were asking about marriage after the ressurection. Or at least that is how it appeared.

 

[Job 33:6]

@David Lamb the logic is as follows:

Person A (Job): the sons of God are angels (cites passages such as the sons of God being present when God created the earth and sang for joy in Job).

Person B (Renee): the sons of God are humans (cites Matthew 22 says that angels do not marry)

Person A (Job): Jesus is saying that angels do not marry after the ressurection, but the ressurection had not yet occurred (a future bodily resurrection that the sadducees denied). Thus, this passage wouldn't apply to angels of Genesis 6 (the ressurection had not yet occurred in Genesis 6). Jude and Peter also cite Enoch while referring to the sons of God as "angels".

Person C (David): The saints of Matthew 22 were alive and ressurected, Enoch is not scripture.

You see? You sound like you've sided with person B.

And as noted before, the sadducees wouldn't be giving Jesus a trick question about a future ressurection had they not been speaking of a ressurection yet to come.

Matthew 22:28, 30 ESV
[28] In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her.”
[30] For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

The question and answer assume a final bodily resurrection (discussing topics of marriage in a future ressurection).

And then Renee continued on to quote Matthew 27:
Matthew 27:52-53 ESV
[52] The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, [53] and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

But this too, in the context alongside Matthew 22, would be a resurrection that happened after the ressurection of Christ. And since Jesus had not yet been crucified in Matthew 22, we know that this also wouldn't apply to the sons of God.

The point being that Jesus is speaking of a resurrection in the future in Matthew 22. Not one that is already passed. An edenic future ressurection where Angels will not marry.

The Genesis was not in the time of that edenic future. And so the sons of God would not fit that category of angels that do not marry.

 

[David Lamb]

You should understand that you were agreeing with someone who shared that verse in an effort to suggest that they were already ressurected (in a bodily sense). Hence why the sadducees were asking about marriage after the ressurection. Or at least that is how it appeared.

I am sorry I didn't word it clearly enough. I did make clear in a later (Post 453) that I was not talking about bodily resurrection: "Thanks for replying, but your post doesn't answer what I asked. My first question was: "Where in the bible to you find that when we die we start again in a new body?" (Incidentally, I'm not talking about our resurrected bodies at the Second Coming of Christ.)"

 

[David Lamb]

@David Lamb the logic is as follows:

Person A (Job): the sons of God are angels (cites passages such as the sons of God being present when God created the earth and sang for joy in Job).

Person B (Renee): the sons of God are humans (cites Matthew 22 says that angels do not marry)

Person A (Job): Jesus is saying that angels do not marry after the ressurection, but the ressurection had not yet occurred (a future bodily resurrection that the sadducees denied). Thus, this passage wouldn't apply to angels of Genesis 6 (the ressurection had not yet occurred in Genesis 6). Jude and Peter also cite Enoch while referring to the sons of God as "angels".

Person C (David): The saints of Matthew 22 were alive and ressurected, Enoch is not scripture.

You see? You sound like you've sided with person B.

I see it as spiritual life, which a Christian has here, and will continue to have in heaven when his or her body dies, and the final resurrection when our spirits and bodies will be reunited. I still say that yes, Jude and Peter cite Enoch, but the Book of Enoch itself isn't a bible book.

 

[Job 33:6]

I see it as spiritual life, which a Christ has here, and will continue to have in heaven when his or her body dies, and the final resurrection when our spirits and bodies will be reunited. I still say that yes, Jude and Peter cite Enoch, but the Book of Enoch itself isn't a bible book.

And this isn't what Renee was implying by citing Matthew 22. Because a future edenic ressurection of course would not apply to past events such as Genesis 6 sons of God.

So in essence, I would say that even though your post appeared to align with Renee, theologically it sounds more like you're agreeing with me. At least on Matthew 22 and Enoch.

In which case, if Peter and Jude cite Enoch, and Enoch is telling the story of Genesis 6, then it follows that if Peter and Jude call the sons of God angels, then that is what they are. Which is what Renee is denying. They are trying to call the sons of God human.

 

[Job 33:6]

And @David Lamb if we continue the logic from my last post, that means that the nephelim are giants, including Goliath, that are of a supernatural origin in which those angels mated with human women.

 

[David Lamb]

And this isn't what Renee was implying by citing Matthew 22. Because a future edenic ressurection of course would not apply to past events such as Genesis 6 sons of God.

So in essence, I would say that even though your post appeared to align with Renee, theologically it sounds more like you're agreeing with me. At least on Matthew 22 and Enoch.

In which case, if Peter and Jude cite Enoch, and Enoch is telling the story of Genesis 6, then it follows that if Peter and Jude call the sons of God angels, then that is what they are. Which is what Renee is denying. They are trying to call the sons of God human.

I'm not sure about angels fathering children. We have Hebrews quoting Psalm 104:

“And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire."” (Heb 1:7 NKJV)