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Pyramids and the flood

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Jesus wasn’t really the son of God. He didn’t really die and come back to life. He didn’t really die for your sins so that you could get salvation and live forever. Do you have problem with me reading the New Testament that way?
No, everyone is free to read and interpret scripture however they want. Do you want to set up a system where only one interpretation (yours naturally) is allowed and everyone with a different interpretation is brought before a panel or something?
 
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No, everyone is free to read and interpret scripture however they want. Do you want to set up a system where only one interpretation (yours naturally) is allowed and everyone with a different interpretation is brought before a panel or something?
No but I do think it’s important to believe what Moses has written and not make the type of wholesale changes that many people do. Some people even think God didn’t create the Earth or even man. Interpreting things in a certain way is understandable but to make drastic and extreme changes that are not supported anywhere in the Bible is dangerous.

The purpose of creation was for God to establish His family with man. Jesus was right when he said if you don’t believe Moses how are gonna believe him. All of creation took God 6 days. That is clear and repeated over and over again throughout the Bible. Changing the Creation narrative to a naturalistic evolutionary one has been very positive for Satan. That is my opinion - so my message would be what the Bible says and puts all the glory to the Creator. 6000 years ago and 6 days.
 
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Exactly but you think the universe is only 6k old by using speculative calculations.
Speculative? The same speculative calculations Matthew and Luke used to establish the lineage of Jesus. The genealogy provided to us by Moses. Nothing wrong with you not accepting the accuracy of it but not cool at all for you (as a Christian) to criticize someone who accepts the Bible and the words of Moses as they are written.
 
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You've never studied Historiography of the Philosophy of History, have you? Well, just know there's more to know than what you're presently realizing and that nothing you have to offer here will override what hundreds of scholars sitting on my shelves at home (or remaining in my mind from my years at the university) will disappear with a wave of your hand.
No I haven’t studied that. I respect the point you’re making.
 
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Nothing wrong with you not accepting the accuracy of it but not cool at all for you (as a Christian) to criticize someone who accepts the Bible and the words of Moses as they are written.

I agree, as I accept the Bible and the words of Moses as they were written, especially in Genesis 1.
 
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No I haven’t studied that. I respect the point you’re making.

See? That's the kind of reasonable response I expect from a fellow Christian. Thank you, brother!
 
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Speculative? The same speculative calculations Matthew and Luke used to establish the lineage of Jesus. The genealogy provided to us by Moses. Nothing wrong with you not accepting the accuracy of it but not cool at all for you (as a Christian) to criticize someone who accepts the Bible and the words of Moses as they are written.
Matthew nor Luke was giving a account of the age of the universe. What the genealogy is an account from the first Adam to the second Adam.

In no way shape or form have I criticized you for accepting the words of Moses. I don't agree with your interpretation. That isn't cool at all but it's ok my friend, water under the bridge, If that's cool with you?
 
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Speculative? The same speculative calculations Matthew and Luke used to establish the lineage of Jesus. The genealogy provided to us by Moses. Nothing wrong with you not accepting the accuracy of it but not cool at all for you (as a Christian) to criticize someone who accepts the Bible and the words of Moses as they are written.
This is actually when God said to start counting in our year. The evening and morning, dusk and dawn of creation is unknown just like it is without a mechanical clock.

Exodus 12
2 “This month is the beginning of months for you; it shall be the first month of your year.
 
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Matthew nor Luke was giving a account of the age of the universe. What the genealogy is an account from the first Adam to the second Adam.

In no way shape or form have I criticized you for accepting the words of Moses. I don't agree with your interpretation. That isn't cool at all but it's ok my friend, water under the bridge, If that's cool with you?
Of course. This is a friendly conversation. Important but always friendly.

My point was Matthew and Luke’s confirmation on the accuracy and completeness of the genealogy Moses gave us.
 
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Theres no evidence for this. Besides GT is still dated at 12 to 14,000 years. You can say science is wrong to believe and yet we believe the same science when it matters such as in medicine and behavioural sciences. Or even physics ie we can fly planes and people use them everyday. Its all science.

But when it proves something you don't like and agree with it suddenly becomes untrustworthy. THis is good science on dating GT. Its been repeated at the same cite as well as at other sites around it and even on the other side of the world. In fact dozens of times. To say that every single independent test is untrustworthy is biased. We would not use that criteria for any other issue.

But you are right in that GT may have been associated with Noahs flood. If Noahs flood is the great flood of the Younger Dryas period around 12 to 14,000 years ago then GT was either a witness beforehand or the beginnings of culture soon after the flood as they are close to when the flood happened. Maybe they were a preflood culture as their beliefs are very pagan.

Actually some say that the place Noah may have landed is around Lake Van in eastern Turkey in the Armenian highlands which is around 1650 feet above sea level and near Mt Ararat.

Some very ancient ruins and artifacts have been found especially at the bottom of the lake 250 feet down. A granite chest of some sort with similar despictions as the Sumariens but predates them.

OK I am not sure what this means.

I am not trying to pull Gods book down. I believe everything God said. In fact I believe so much that I am confident that this will be reflected in our world and reality. Maybe not always or in that moment. But will eventually be proven true. It has to be by logic and reason.

If the flood did really happen in our recent history then we should find geological and archeological evidence for it. It should show cultures before the flood and cultures after the flood with a sort of intermission between. We should find this reflected in the historical and archeological evidence of cultures.

Not because we need this to believe God. But because Gods intervention had a real impact on our world. Its not necessary for belief but we should expect to find that the evidence in the ground aligns with Gods word. Thats just a practical reality.

The only evidence for a global sized flood in the last 20,000 years or 6,000 if you want is the one that came during the Younger Dryas extinction event. We have the scientific evidence for this from many lines of evidence and it happened around 12 to 14,000 years ago. It could not have happened 5,500 years ago as it would have wiped our the birth of civilisation with Mesopotamia and the Sumariens.

There is no evidence for such a violent and global sized event happening 5,500 years ago. Thats just obvious because its not millions of years ago we are talking about but recently. We have written history, we have the archeology and everyone agrees with the timeline that the birth of civiliusation happened 5,500 years ago.

I am not sure what you mean.
Post Noahs flood.

Today I spent most of this gloomy day playing video games. So I downloaded new game ... when the time came for the kitchen too be built and start cooking something. They made me get 100 bales of straw and get the craftsman make a little sack of corn. If that wasn't insulting enough when it was time to make a tomato garden you had to bring thirty ears of corn for the craftsmen to make a sack of tomato seeds. Dang ..... All I could think about was how these computer geniuses were taught " natural science " by the same fools Darwin was. Dang no wonder nearly everyone has been dooped. .

There was a world wide flood you and n9oneelse who worships science will ever see , maybe beause they want tomato seeds from ears of corn. Have a good day dear.
 
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Of course. This is a friendly conversation. Important but always friendly.

My point was Matthew and Luke’s confirmation on the accuracy and completeness of the genealogy Moses gave us.
It's not a confirmation on how old everything is. The English word day is Yom in Hebrew which has multiple meanings from short to long periods or unknown as well. 24 hours wasn't even a concept of a day length until the invention of the mechanical clock. There is no mentioning of midnight or noontime during creation. Just the two periods of light dusk and dawn. Unknown to ancient people because they gauged the day length by a casted shadow or counting rising stars in the night.
 
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Creation - is creating something that does not exists....when I make a painting - I start with nothing.

Creation: the action or process of bringing something into existence.
No you painted a painting. , chances are you bought a canvas and someone else created the canvas. I BEILIEVE WHAT HE SAYS. THAT Jesus spoke creation into being . And Fatber CREATED IT ALL IN 6 DAYS. AFTER THAT Jesus may have done some paintig, and a lot of science education to prepare the way of the righteous.



JESUS IS THE CONDUCTOR ON THIS TRAIN.
 
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No you painted a painting. , chances are you bought a canvas and someone else created the canvas. I BEILIEVE WHAT HE SAYS. THAT Jesus spoke creation into being . And Fatber CREATED IT ALL IN 6 DAYS. AFTER THAT Jesus may have done some paintig, and a lot of science education to prepare the way of the righteous.



JESUS IS THE CONDUCTOR ON THIS TRAIN.
YAY FATBER!!!
 
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It's not a confirmation on how old everything is. The English word day is Yom in Hebrew which has multiple meanings from short to long periods or unknown as well. 24 hours wasn't even a concept of a day length until the invention of the mechanical clock. There is no mentioning of midnight or noontime during creation. Just the two periods of light dusk and dawn. Unknown to ancient people because they gauged the day length by a casted shadow or counting rising stars in the night.
I have no confusion or questions about what a day is. Seeing people isolate their confusion only to creation has always been fake to me
 
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Post Noahs flood.

Today I spent most of this gloomy day playing video games. So I downloaded new game ... when the time came for the kitchen too be built and start cooking something. They made me get 100 bales of straw and get the craftsman make a little sack of corn. If that wasn't insulting enough when it was time to make a tomato garden you had to bring thirty ears of corn for the craftsmen to make a sack of tomato seeds. Dang ..... All I could think about was how these computer geniuses were taught " natural science " by the same fools Darwin was. Dang no wonder nearly everyone has been dooped. .

There was a world wide flood you and n9oneelse who worships science will ever see , maybe beause they want tomato seeds from ears of corn. Have a good day dear.
If there was a world wide flood that covered the entire world miles deep for over a year 4500 years ago there is one place on earth that would still be flooded with all that water.
 
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I have no confusion or questions about what a day is. Seeing people isolate their confusion only to creation has always been fake to me
No not at all, we have the mechanical clock, especially if you happen to live at one of the poles a must have in those places.

Moses used the word Yom in alot of its different meanings in scripture.

I don't think the shortest one of them all was used to represent the days of creation. Certainly he didn't use it in the sense of 24 hours a day.
 
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No not at all, we have the mechanical clock, especially if you happen to live at one of the poles a must have in those places.

Moses used the word Yom in alot of its different meanings in scripture.

I don't think the shortest one of them all was used to represent the days of creation. Certainly he didn't use it in the sense of 24 hours a day.
Where else in the Bible are you confused about the word day?
 
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If there was a world wide flood that covered the entire world miles deep for over a year 4500 years ago there is one place on earth that would still be flooded with all that water.
Yep it is called "the oceans " , they make up 75 % of our world now after two of the three world wide catastropic events the scientishism will never understand , because they want to see tomatos from straw. So they see tomatos. And when the oceans just 32-36 hundred years ago the oceans took up way more than 75 %. When the oceans were 1250 ft higher than now . But what remains of Atlantis is at abt 1250 ft above sea level. It is called The eye of the Sahara. I WISH IT WAS STILL THE SMALL BLUE EYE THAT REPRESENTED THE ISLAND WORLD BEFORE THERE WERE CONTINIENTS. BUT THAT REVELATION 12 Event IS A STORY JESUS WILL HAVE TO PUT ON THE BIG SCREEN FOR us . (all the faithful to see ) . Because the Red Sea was also 1250 ft deeper than it is now at the time of the crossing, BUT JESUS WILL HAVE TO SHOW US HOW IT WAS DONE TOO. All the waters above and below are now what we call the seas. There was no seas before the flood, but now There is lots of water in those oceans. And the earth got squared ( see pictish Rhyniestones with the dragon on it like Rev 12 ) on Joshua's long day and THE Rev 12 event was historical. And Atlantis was washed Away. It did not sink .
 
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