Put your faith to the test.

[Routerider]

Many christians abhore secular science claiming is "deludes" those who admire it. For those who believe this why not pray over your sick child rather then take them to the hospital? You chastise secular science but USE it daily, you TRUST it to save your loved one's life.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Next time your loved one is ill, don't rely on science to help them...just pray and believe...are you willing?

 

[eric76]

I see no point in reacting against science in general. I think rather, christians react against science in the extent that it tries rule out the existence of a personal god.

 

[ThePhoenix]

Many christians abhore secular science claiming is "deludes" those who admire it. For those who believe this why not pray over your sick child rather then take them to the hospital? You chastise secular science but USE it daily, you TRUST it to save your loved one's life.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Next time your loved one is ill, don't rely on science to help them...just pray and believe...are you willing?

The usual atheist nonsense. Christians hate science, christians hate scientists, blah, blah, blah. Look up the Jehovah's Witnesses some time, they do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. They feel it is God's will whether they live or die, and man should not interfere.

So you should really edit your post to: "A few radical christians believe that..." or you should agree that I could post:
"Many Atheists believe in communism. To atheists who believe in communism how do you justify spending money instead of giving it away?"

 

[Routerider]

The usual atheist nonsense. Christians hate science, christians hate scientists, blah, blah, blah. Look up the Jehovah's Witnesses some time, they do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. They feel it is God's will whether they live or die, and man should not interfere.

So you should really edit your post to: "A few radical christians believe that..." or you should agree that I could post:
"Many Atheists believe in communism. To atheists who believe in communism how do you justify spending money instead of giving it away?"

Perhaps that's why I said "Many christians...". I've read many christians posts/articles and they dislike secular science because it pokes holes in their worldviews.

 

[ThePhoenix]

Perhaps that's why I said "Many christians...". I've read many christians posts/articles and they dislike secular science because it pokes holes in their worldviews.

Cute generalization, but science only pokes holes in a literal interpretation of the bible. The major complaint about science is not the science, but materialism. "Look at this great advance, I can buy a $5,000 dollar plasma TV and a gamecube for my kids, and be a good parent." "Look mommy, he has that incredible system. Why don't I have one?" Materialism. Look, we can fly around the world in less then 3 days, but we can't fix drug problems here at home. Look we can put men in space, but we can't educate our kids. Look we can make $5000 skis that transform vibrational energy into light, but teen suicide is swept under the rug. Materialism. Science is used to justify it. Your plasma TV is no great advance for humanity, preventing a teenager from killing him/herself is a great advance for humanity. Feeding starving children is a great advance for humanity. Helping people is an advance for humanity, not pointless, expensive displays of technology.

 

[Routerider]

Cute generalization, but science only pokes holes in a literal interpretation of the bible. The major complaint about science is not the science, but materialism. "Look at this great advance, I can buy a $5,000 dollar plasma TV and a gamecube for my kids, and be a good parent." "Look mommy, he has that incredible system. Why don't I have one?" Materialism. Look, we can fly around the world in less then 3 days, but we can't fix drug problems here at home. Look we can put men in space, but we can't educate our kids. Look we can make $5000 skis that transform vibrational energy into light, but teen suicide is swept under the rug. Materialism. Science is used to justify it. Your plasma TV is no great advance for humanity, preventing a teenager from killing him/herself is a great advance for humanity. Feeding starving children is a great advance for humanity. Helping people is an advance for humanity, not pointless, expensive displays of technology.

OK, I'm really interested in posts that address my topic. The idea that SOME people [speaking of generalizations] are materialistic has NOTHING to do with my original post. My original post has to do with the mistrust of secular science when it contadicts a christian worldview but then trusting it when someone's life is in danger....not MATERIALISM.

 

[Philo]

Wow. Even your avatar smacks of pretension. People with that avatar usually are very closed-minded.

 

[Routerider]

Wow. Even your avatar smacks of pretension. People with that avatar usually are very closed-minded.

Not sure who you're talking to...me or The Phoenix?

 

[Warrior Poet]

Many christians abhore secular science claiming is "deludes" those who admire it. For those who believe this why not pray over your sick child rather then take them to the hospital? You chastise secular science but USE it daily, you TRUST it to save your loved one's life.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Next time your loved one is ill, don't rely on science to help them...just pray and believe...are you willing?

Well I see your point, but I think God gave us the abilty to help. Founding doctors and some scientist have obvioulsy been blessed with a mind that allows them to do what they do. Ever heard of the String theory, its a science phenom, and cant be proven but man is spending so much time trying to pick Gods brain, stuff that he wants known will be known stuff he doesnt will stay his. So on the account you can say well God is evil cause he keeps us in the "dark" but thats not the topic. I have faith God endowed man with the abilty to help fellow man, wether through pills or surgery, Jesus took the secular world and what it had then twisted it for his purpose. Ill put my faith to the test, but that faith will extend to those HELPING my loved one, Gods hand on them can only be a good thing.

Warrior Poet

 

[Godzman]

Many christians abhore secular science claiming is "deludes" those who admire it. For those who believe this why not pray over your sick child rather then take them to the hospital? You chastise secular science but USE it daily, you TRUST it to save your loved one's life.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Next time your loved one is ill, don't rely on science to help them...just pray and believe...are you willing?

i wouldn't even call it secular science, its science, not secular, because God has allowed us to use it.

We criticize the misuse of anything good, which is what evil is.

 

[ukok]

The usual atheist nonsense. Christians hate science, christians hate scientists, blah, blah, blah. Look up the Jehovah's Witnesses some time, they do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. They feel it is God's will whether they live or die, and man should not interfere.

So you should really edit your post to: "A few radical christians believe that..." or you should agree that I could post:
"Many Atheists believe in communism. To atheists who believe in communism how do you justify spending money instead of giving it away?"

 

[Ragman]

Many christians abhore secular science claiming is "deludes" those who admire it. For those who believe this why not pray over your sick child rather then take them to the hospital? You chastise secular science but USE it daily, you TRUST it to save your loved one's life.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Next time your loved one is ill, don't rely on science to help them...just pray and believe...are you willing?

One of the reasons Christians "tend" to react against science (it is always dangerous to generalize) is because of the "sacred/secular" dichotomy. IOW's Christians have the tendancy to see the creation as being outside of Christ. However, scripture places creation, and therefore the study of it, firmly inside of Christ. John 1:3 states that "all things were made through Him and nothing that was made was made without HIm". And Col. 1 states that He is the One by whom all things were created and in Him all things are held together. When we take this view we see that the greatest lover of creation is Christ Himself and science is the study of that which He loves. It is not secular but sacred.

RM

 

[Aaron11]

Many christians abhore secular science claiming is "deludes" those who admire it. For those who believe this why not pray over your sick child rather then take them to the hospital? You chastise secular science but USE it daily, you TRUST it to save your loved one's life.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Next time your loved one is ill, don't rely on science to help them...just pray and believe...are you willing?

Aaron11: Hello Straw Man.

Routerider: That's not Straw Man! Seriously, there are Christians somewhere that hate science, I promise! This guy is one of them.

Aaron11: It is interesting that there are none that have responded to this thread that believe that. Maybe we just need to wait and they will come. (Turns to Straw Man) Is that a burlap shirt ?

Straw Man: No, it is sack-cloth, big difference. Do you like it?

Routerider: (places hand firmly upon my shoulder and looks me in the eye with a false sense of security) Hey buddy, since you are a Christian, could you explain why a Christian would hate science?

Aaron11: (Pointing to Straw Man) Why don't you ask him?

Routerider: I tried, but he wouldn't answer. Being a Christian, like Straw Man, just tell me why Straw Man believes this way.


Aaron11: Nope, sorry, wouldn't want to answer on behalf of Straw Man. If you want we could keep posting on this thread how stupid it is to hate science and pretend like it is somehow related to being a Christian. Would you like that?

Routerider: Whatever will display my superiority over Straw Man... I mean... Real Man... Dang it! I promise he is a real man, and that I am smarter than he is.

Aaron11: Oh yeah... What was I thinking? Sorry. OK, brace yourself Straw Man, it might hurt a little when we knock you down. Get him boys!

(As routerider proceeds to knock Straw Man over again and again, the others around sit pondering the situation)

Routerider: (Kicks Straw Man one last time to make sure he is done.) Wow, that was easy. A little too easy. Hmm... (flexes his muscles)

Aaron11: Try picking on a real man next time.

Straw Man: (With the last bit of life in him whimpers) I am a real man... I... promise... My straw hurts! (takes a final breath).

 

[evraftr]

Well to reply to the original statement. I just had a dear friend speak on the same thing. He said that God has the ability to heal so why does he not do it all the time. Well it is faith. We ask ourselves do we have enough faith does the person have enough faith to believe that they can even be healed. So God gave us a back up which isn’t as reliable but works to some extent. Some times our sickness is brought on by something that we have done or not done. Let’s look at stress for one moment. When we get stressed we tend to get sore in a certain area for me I get really sore legs. Some people like some of my friends get it in there back there arms there figures. It’s something I am not going to really explain but that is how it is. It has been proven medically. So a lot of the time we rely on modern science which by the way there is nothing wrong with. God gave us the ability to think and create and we have come so far. Also it is in some ways Gods gift to those who are not saved. They don’t believe or know God and so if there was no modern science a lot more people would be suffering and dieing. Now if we are doing our job as believers we should be laying our hands on the sick letting them experience God and become believers.

 

[feral]

I don't think christians are entirely against basic science, rather they believe that science fails to recognize gods hand in creation. I don't know christians other then the amish, who believe that electricity, medical science, computers, biology, etc is bad. Rather, they see these things as inspired or created by god while many mainstream scientists give credit to nature, big bang, etc. The only major anti-science position I'm aware of is the creation vs. evolution idea, and even then some christians believe that god made us a certain way and created us to evolve into present form and perhaps beyond.

 

[Templer]

and yet, another "non-christian" feels the need to question our belief and faith. What really gets me, are the ones that dont have a belief in our God or any god whatsoever and yet spend a extremly fair amount of time talking, disscusing, and questioning others about their beliefs and views on "their" God. You would think that a person that didnt believe in a God, wouldnt spend or waste so much time talking to others about one. I find it pretty funny that such people even take the time out to register to certain sites just to do so. Me, I strongly believe that aliens do not exist at all. But, why would i go on a UFO site just to "argue and debate" with people who think that certian cretures really do exist. It wouldnt be worth a minute of my time.


Now on this topic: Is this even the correct question you want to ask?
In the OLD testament. God gave Moses a certian set of rules on what to do when it comes to the sick. Something along the lines of takeing them the preists and having them to perform some sort of healing ritual. Point being, God himself, gave a certain process that must be done when it comes to healing people. A process that included more then simply praying. So I think the proper question to ask would be "How come christians dont take their ill famliy members to the preists to heal them instead of doctors?"

 

[Templer]

If u were to do a little more research, u would find that christianity and science go hand in hand. I find it hilarious and really simle minded that sooo many people think that believers in God must hate or dont believe in science, when we have christian scientists who have linked so many gaps of science and the bible together. Kinda like people that still ask where is the proof that God exists, when there is scientifical studys proven using the bible as their guide.

take for instance that it is a little know fact that the bible declared the world was round many years before man discovered so. There are so many studys taken directly from the bible and proven to be correct.

 

[Routerider]

Aaron11: Hello Straw Man.

Routerider: That's not Straw Man! Seriously, there are Christians somewhere that hate science, I promise! This guy is one of them.

Aaron11: It is interesting that there are none that have responded to this thread that believe that. Maybe we just need to wait and they will come. (Turns to Straw Man) Is that a burlap shirt ?

Straw Man: No, it is sack-cloth, big difference. Do you like it?

Routerider: (places hand firmly upon my shoulder and looks me in the eye with a false sense of security) Hey buddy, since you are a Christian, could you explain why a Christian would hate science?

Aaron11: (Pointing to Straw Man) Why don't you ask him?

Routerider: I tried, but he wouldn't answer. Being a Christian, like Straw Man, just tell me why Straw Man believes this way.


Aaron11: Nope, sorry, wouldn't want to answer on behalf of Straw Man. If you want we could keep posting on this thread how stupid it is to hate science and pretend like it is somehow related to being a Christian. Would you like that?

Routerider: Whatever will display my superiority over Straw Man... I mean... Real Man... Dang it! I promise he is a real man, and that I am smarter than he is.

Aaron11: Oh yeah... What was I thinking? Sorry. OK, brace yourself Straw Man, it might hurt a little when we knock you down. Get him boys!

(As routerider proceeds to knock Straw Man over again and again, the others around sit pondering the situation)

Routerider: (Kicks Straw Man one last time to make sure he is done.) Wow, that was easy. A little too easy. Hmm... (flexes his muscles)

Aaron11: Try picking on a real man next time.

Straw Man: (With the last bit of life in him whimpers) I am a real man... I... promise... My straw hurts! (takes a final breath).

Strawman!? We've never debated anything that I can remember.

 

[Kelly]

Have you ever heard of the tale where a man was in a flood, so he climbed up on his table and prayed for God to save him?

He prayed and prayed as the rain kept coming. A truck drove by, barely able to move through the high water. "Hey mister, c'mon...the water's rising!" The man replied "no, no..I'm waiting for God to save me". The truck left without him. The water continued to rise and finally the man had to climb onto his roof to keep from drowning. He continued to pray.

A man in a boat came by "Get in!" the man called!
"no, thanks, I'm waiting for God to save me!" the man replied. The boat moved on. The water rised even more and the man was forced onto his chimney, the water nearly up to his head.

A helicopter hovered overhead "You there, climb up this ladder!" the pilot announced over a loudspeaker. "No, no, friend. God will save me!" he continued to pray. The man died. When he went to heaven, he met God and said "Why didn't you save me?"

God replied "Look, I sent you a truck, boat and a helicopter"

Bottom line - God can answer prayers through others - Doctors and scientists included.

 

[Spicy McHaggis]

Perhaps that's why I said "Many christians...".

Yeah, but then you directly addressed all the readers of the board with

Next time your loved one is ill, don't rely on science to help them...just pray and believe...are you willing?