How is that a false statement when I quoted directly from the Catholic church?
If God was going to delete one of His commandments, especially the only one He started with the word REMEMBER Jesus would have told someone.
Paul quotes the differences between the ceremonial laws and God's eternal laws on this very issue:No, not necessarily. Jesus didn’t say He would abolish the need for Gentiles to be circumcised to enter into God’s covenant, it was the Church that relayed the message.
Acts 20 does not say Gods 4th commandment is deleted and Sunday is the new holy day. You are making scripture say something is doesn't when we have God's Word that is so plainly written.
Paul quotes the differences between the ceremonial laws and God's eternal laws on this very issue:
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Again, there is no scripture from Paul, Jesus or God that deletes the 4th commandment or anyone of God's Ten commandments that are placed inside the Most holy of God's Temple, because we are told they are eternal Psalms 89:34.
How so? When God said very plainly the seventh day, not the first day? How is this honoring God by not obeying? This is exactly what Jesus warned us about. Mathew 15:9 Obeying commandments of man and not God. I really hope you are not trying to argue that in Exodus 20 God said to keep the first day holy.I never said Paul deleted the 4th commandment. I’m not making scripture say anything other than what actually it says, your misrepresenting what I said. By honoring The Lord on Sunday we are keeping the commandment given in Exodus 20.
Well you are denying what Paul just quoted as well, very plainly.Paul made no distinction between ceremonial laws and God’s commandments because they were all God’s commandments. The “ceremonial laws” were just as much a commandment of God as all the rest. God Himself commanded the ceremonial laws.
Paul can be difficult to understand.
Yahshua more often makes himself very clear.
(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.
Do you believe Paul's words override Yahshua's words, which are his father's words; or is it possible that this conflict lies in your misunderstanding of Paul's words?
How is that a false statement when I quoted directly from the Catholic church?
If God was going to delete one of His commandments, especially the only one He started with the word REMEMBER Jesus would have told someone. Where does Jesus tell us after He goes back to Heaven there is the new day of worship or God's new holy day? Where does Paul say it? Acts 20 does not say Gods 4th commandment is deleted and Sunday is the new holy day. You are making scripture say something is doesn't when we have God's Word that is so plainly written.
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Isaiah 58"13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
No, not necessarily. Jesus didn’t say He would abolish the need for Gentiles to be circumcised to enter into God’s covenant, it was the Church that relayed the message.
Where do you find circumcision in the Ten commandments? Are you suggesting we ignore Paul when he tells us what matters is keeping God's commandments, which includes the 4th commandment?Awesome you’ve posted a commandment of keeping the Sabbath here’s one about Gentiles among the Jews must be circumcised.
“This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.””
Genesis 17:10-14 NASB1995
In Acts 15 this law was abolished.
The only way for the Law of Moses to be fulfilled was in blood on a wooden cross.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
All of the Torah and the prophets was not fulfilled at the pale (cross) Yahshua said so himself.
(CLV) Lk 24:44
Now He said to them, "These are My words, which I speak to you, still being with you, for all must be (future tense) fulfilled that is written in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms concerning Me."
The best is yet to come!
God’s 4th commandment says nothing about Saturday. 6 days shall you work but on the 7th rest. He didn’t say the 7th day of the week.
And it was not started by the Roman Catholic Church it was started by Paul.
Luke 24:44
(ESV) Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
(ESV+) Then he said to them, R11“These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, R12that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
(Geneva) And he saide vnto them, These are the wordes, which I spake vnto you while I was yet with you, that all must be fulfilled which are written of me in the Lawe of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalmes.
(GW) Then he said to them, "These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you. I told you that everything written about me in Moses' Teachings, the Prophets, and the Psalms had to come true."
(KJV) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
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(NKJV) Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."
(NLT) Then he said, “When I was with you before, I told you that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
(YLT) and he said to them, 'These are the words that I spake unto you, being yet with you, that it behoveth to be fulfilled all the things that are written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, about me.'
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Where's the scripture? Should be easy enough. If there was going to be such a significant change to one of God's holy commandments, especially the one that says REMEMBER, where is the scripture stating God's 4th commandment should be forgotten or erased and the new day of worship is now on the first day and that day God now deemed His new holy day and blessed and sanctified it? Where is that scripture?Indeed. The writings by early church fathers regrading the sabbath in post #533, were written more than a century before the Constantine issued his civil decree.
The CLV is a literal translation.
(CLV) Lk 24:44
Now He said to them, "These are My words, which I speak to you, still being with you, for all must be (future tense) fulfilled that is written in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms concerning Me."
Posting mistranslations doesn't change the facts.
Brother, the reason Judaism doesn't accept Jesus is because Jesus didn't fulfill all the prophesies about the Messiah. Specifically, "the rock" that hits the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, destroys all earlier empires and establishes a kingdom that will "never" end.I have never seen a translation which included the words (future tense). And then you say all other translators are wrong. Is this is a unique way of making your Bible doctrine work, or have others tried the same thing in the past?
I have never seen a translation which included the words (future tense).
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And at the same time you ignore what the early Church Fathers said about the Sabbath before the Council of Nicaea.
(CLV) Lk 24:44
Now He said to them, "These are My words, which I speak to you, still being with you, for all must be (future tense) fulfilled that is written in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms concerning Me."
I have never seen a translation which included the words (future tense).
And then you say all other translators are wrong. Is this is a unique way of making your Bible doctrine work, or have others tried the same thing in the past?
(KJV+) AndG1161 he saidG2036 unto them,G846 TheseG3778 are theG3588 wordsG3056 whichG3739 I spakeG2980 untoG4314 you,G5209 while I wasG5607 yetG2089 withG4862 you,G5213 thatG3754 all thingsG3956 mustG1163 be fulfilled,G4137 which were writtenG1125 inG1722 theG3588 lawG3551 of Moses,G3475 andG2532 in the prophets,G4396 andG2532 in the psalms,G5568 concerningG4012 me.G1700
And at the same time you ignore what the early Church Fathers said about the Sabbath before the Council of Nicaea.
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