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Moreover, the Jews themselves believe in a place between death and heaven that is called "paradise". They argued as to what happened here but the belief in paradise was pretty much universal.
Always enjoyed picturing my family and friends who've passed in Heaven but that's not what Jesus tells us. He said NO one has been to Heaven except He who came down from Heaven. Jesus only! For those who sleep it's only a moment of sleep for them, as the scriptures are filled with those who "Sleep in the earth", and they, along with every True believer will SOON be resurrected when Jesus gathers us to where He is now. Heaven. 1st. Thessalonians 4:16 IS the next event on God's prophetic calendar. Rejoice brothers and sisters!!!I don't see the idea of purgatory in the Scriptures.
It seems to me to be an invention of humans who wanted to make a way for sinful people to get to heaven, bypassing the work of the Cross.
Thus, the idea of purgatory is not only non-Biblical, but ANTI-Christ.
If we can add to the work of Christ, by paying for "some" of our sins in purgatory,
then why can we not pay for all of them, eventually, in hellfire, and at some future point in eternity, escape hell?
Add to this, the idea of canonization of saints.
The Scriptures imply not at all, that some Christians who have died have achieved a higher "sainthood" (by going straight to heaven, and skipping purgatory) than those of us who are in Christ, here on earth.
The Bible calls all Christians, saints.
The ideas of canonized saints and purgatory are interdependent, and I can find no support for either in the Scriptures.
What say you?
"Today, you will be with me in paradise." Yet, if he was a thief, or a revolutionary, how could he go to heaven without being cleansed in Purgatory according to Catholic doctrine? Clearly someone with the character of a thief cannot go clodhopping into heaven without a radical change in his character. Yet, wouldn't hanging naked on a cross for three hours, and then dying by suffocating as a result of having one's legs broken been a terrible purgation? Yes, it would have been. If he was repentant and suffered willingly-i.e. without rebelling against God- how could such suffering not have been a purgation? It was his purgatory. We know that, because he was cleansed well enough to be with Christ that day in paradise.
Really? You are pursuing God as closely as you can?
Okay. Simple question. We just finished Lent and the week of our Lord's Passion. Did you Fast all during Lent and Passion Week? And by Fast, I don't mean you gave up Twinkies like the Catholics do. I mean the real Fast of the Early Fathers and Ascetics - no meat, no dairy, no eggs, for forty days, with a complete fast except water on Good Friday and Holy Saturday.
If you didn't, then your claim is invalid.
Always enjoyed picturing my family and friends who've passed in Heaven but that's not what Jesus tells us. He said NO one has been to Heaven except He who came down from Heaven. Jesus only! For those who sleep it's only a moment of sleep for them, as the scriptures are filled with those who "Sleep in the earth", and they, along with every True believer will SOON be resurrected when Jesus gathers us to where He is now. Heaven. 1st. Thessalonians 4:16 IS the next event on God's prophetic calendar. Rejoice brothers and sisters!!!
non-biblical for sure.I don't see the idea of purgatory in the Scriptures.
It seems to me to be an invention of humans who wanted to make a way for sinful people to get to heaven, bypassing the work of the Cross.
Thus, the idea of purgatory is not only non-Biblical, but ANTI-Christ.
If we can add to the work of Christ, by paying for "some" of our sins in purgatory,
then why can we not pay for all of them, eventually, in hellfire, and at some future point in eternity, escape hell?
Add to this, the idea of canonization of saints.
The Scriptures imply not at all, that some Christians who have died have achieved a higher "sainthood" (by going straight to heaven, and skipping purgatory) than those of us who are in Christ, here on earth.
The Bible calls all Christians, saints.
The ideas of canonized saints and purgatory are interdependent, and I can find no support for either in the Scriptures.
What say you?
Any biblical references, to anything resembling purification, pertains to this life and not after death.
Nobody is in heaven, not until after the resurrection.I don't see the idea of purgatory in the Scriptures.
It seems to me to be an invention of humans who wanted to make a way for sinful people to get to heaven, bypassing the work of the Cross.
Thus, the idea of purgatory is not only non-Biblical, but ANTI-Christ.
If we can add to the work of Christ, by paying for "some" of our sins in purgatory,
then why can we not pay for all of them, eventually, in hellfire, and at some future point in eternity, escape hell?
Add to this, the idea of canonization of saints.
The Scriptures imply not at all, that some Christians who have died have achieved a higher "sainthood" (by going straight to heaven, and skipping purgatory) than those of us who are in Christ, here on earth.
The Bible calls all Christians, saints.
The ideas of canonized saints and purgatory are interdependent, and I can find no support for either in the Scriptures.
What say you?
"Purging" is a word that can be interpreted in various ways. Some people like to think that there will be some wiping the slate clean of our shortcomings--like Hillary Clinton's description of her erasure of thousands of Emails, i.e. like taking a cloth and rubbing it across the screen. But it can also mean what the theory of Purgatory holds--punishment equivalent to that suffered in Hell because of sins, except that it will not last forever.The New Testament has few references about purging of the soul (or even about heaven for that matter). In Matthew's Gospel, Jesus' statement that certain sins "will not be forgiven either in this world or in the world to come" (Mt 12:32), at least suggests a purging of the soul after death.
So, the spirits of the dead went into a garbage dump?
Any biblical references, to anything resembling purification, pertains to this life and not after death.
I don't see the idea of purgatory in the Scriptures.
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What say you?
In your opinion perhaps. I however believe in simplicity. I dont follow Protestants or Catholics. I follow the scriptures that God gave me.That is a possibility, but certainly not a necessity.
It took me a number of years to understand that the Scriptures did not simply fall out of the sky as a text of sixty-six books and into Martin Luther's lap. Rather, the Bible is a living part of a wider textual, doctrinal, and practical stream of Tradition that has nothing to do theologically or historically with Protestantism, but is, rather, Catholic-Orthodox.
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