Puerto Rico - Statehood

[Fenny the Fox]

Read his previous posts, but in a nutshell, because they eat different things, have different dances and speak Spanish.

I have, but my issue is that that still doesn't equal an answer, though, as there are many many various cultures represented within the US, all of which have different food, languages, dances, etc. And yet they are just as much a part of the US as he is, as I am, as anyone else as. And just as much so as Puerto Ricans will be if Congress passes the allowance for statehood.

 

[Creech]

I have, but my issue is that that still doesn't equal an answer, though, as there are many many various cultures represented within the US, all of which have different food, languages, dances, etc. And yet they are just as much a part of the US as he is, as I am, as anyone else as. And just as much so as Puerto Ricans will be if Congress passes the allowance for statehood.

I am against much of the imperialism that is currently in the US. This is just adding on to it.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

I do not want to live in an Empire. Puerto Rican statehood would only further increase imperialism.

Citizens or not, Puerto Ricans will forever be foreigners in my eyes. They are not my people. Do I hate them? Nope. Are they an entirely different nation? YUP!!!

Imperialism requires control without consent or permission. We are not an empire, but a federation of States. Puerto Rico is ASKING to be a part of that. They could have just as easily asked to leave the US completely, as it has been offered and denied numerous times by vote.

 

[utdbear]

The Democrats killed HR 2499 without a vote(they sat on it) which would have made the decision for their future.

Also, I don't see how adding them as a state would help them. It would probably kill their economy.

 

[Touma]

I think you're right. In fact, let's ask every single country in the world if they would like to join the United States. No, better yet, lets just grant Americans status to everyone in the entire world. Now everyone can be Americans, yay!!

I'm entirely kidding.

I didn't say or imply anything you mentioned. A bit of hyperbole, no?

 

[Creech]

Imperialism requires control without consent or permission. We are not an empire, but a federation of States. Puerto Rico is ASKING to be a part of that. They could have just as easily asked to leave the US completely, as it has been offered and denied numerous times by vote.

An empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples (ethnic groups) united and ruled either by a central authority. It is indeed imperialism.

 

[CabVet]

An empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples (ethnic groups) united and ruled either by a central authority. It is indeed imperialism.

Here is the correct definition in case you are interested:

Imperialism, as defined by the People of Human Geography, is "the creation and/or maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination."

 

[Creech]

Here is the correct definition in case you are interested:

Imperialism, as defined by the People of Human Geography, is "the creation and/or maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination."

There are many definitions. It can also be defined as the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or a central authority over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.

 

[Dracil]

The Star Trek Federation is not a Federation at all. It is an evil imperialist empire.

 

[Touma]

The Star Trek Federation is not a Federation at all. It is an evil imperialist empire.

The World Wrestling Federation was an evil empire too. ;-)

 

[CabVet]

There are many definitions. It can also be defined as the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or a central authority over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.

Yes, many definitions, but none of them can be used to describe Puerto Rico becoming a state as "imperialism" since Puerto Rico is already part of the US. It would actually be less imperialistic to have them as a state because they would acquire rights they don't have now, and it would increase equality.

But then, you are against equality, so why am I saying that?

 

[FaithLikeARock]

The Democrats killed HR 2499 without a vote(they sat on it) which would have made the decision for their future.

Also, I don't see how adding them as a state would help them. It would probably kill their economy.

How can Congress decide before the people have voted? There is nothing preventing it from being presented again, and most likely it would be voted on this time, since it is more a matter of urgency.

 

[SnowCal]

So Creech... Puerto Rico is currently a commonwealth in the United States. There is something of an imperial relationship there. Puerto Rico would like to change that. They want to be an equal state in our union of states.

Why do you oppose that? You've already been clear about that. <staff edit>

I, for one, welcome our new Puerto Rican overlords.

 

[FreeSpirit74]

Hawaii and Alaska both had their own language, culture, customs, etc, and they were much more different from "America" as today's Puerto Rico's culture, etc is.

Yes, and our those respective cultures, customs still practiced? Are the languages still spoken? Did they have a flag that they hold dear, and even a song celebrating that flag ("Que Bonita Bandera" is like the second Puerto Rican national anthem behind "La Borinquena" which, FYI was a song that came out of the Nationalist Movement, as did the PR flag).

My viewpoint on statehood comes from looknig at it through the lens of hanging with people who are Nationalists and support the Independence movement. For the last 19 years I have had the privilege of experiencing the culture, the music, the food, the camaraderie, the PRIDE of the Puerto Rican people I have come to know. I've vacationed there twice... NOT in some resort, but up in the hills of Cupe Alto, outside of San Juan, hosted and surrounded by the native people (who watched in amusement the first time I tasted home-made moonshine!). I took part in Three King's Day festivities, including the parranda. It would be a shame for this island to lose its language, and its culture, and its right to stand alone on the world stage.

 

[SnowCal]

Yes, and our those respective cultures, customs still practiced? Are the languages still spoken? Did they have a flag that they hold dear, and even a song celebrating that flag ("Que Bonita Bandera" is like the second Puerto Rican national anthem behind "La Borinquena" which, FYI was a song that came out of the Nationalist Movement, as did the PR flag).

My viewpoint on statehood comes from looknig at it through the lens of hanging with people who are Nationalists and support the Independence movement. For the last 19 years I have had the privilege of experiencing the culture, the music, the food, the camaraderie, the PRIDE of the Puerto Rican people I have come to know. I've vacationed there twice... NOT in some resort, but up in the hills of Cupe Alto, outside of San Juan, hosted and surrounded by the native people (who watched in amusement the first time I tasted home-made moonshine!). I took part in Three King's Day festivities, including the parranda. It would be a shame for this island to lose its language, and its culture, and its right to stand alone on the world stage.

This is like saying "It would be a shame to lose your right to be single" at somebody's wedding. Why do you insist on telling the Puerto Ricans what to do? Why can't they choose for themselves?

 

[Touma]

Yes, and our those respective cultures, customs still practiced? Are the languages still spoken? Did they have a flag that they hold dear, and even a song celebrating that flag ("Que Bonita Bandera" is like the second Puerto Rican national anthem behind "La Borinquena" which, FYI was a song that came out of the Nationalist Movement, as did the PR flag).

My viewpoint on statehood comes from looknig at it through the lens of hanging with people who are Nationalists and support the Independence movement. For the last 19 years I have had the privilege of experiencing the culture, the music, the food, the camaraderie, the PRIDE of the Puerto Rican people I have come to know. I've vacationed there twice... NOT in some resort, but up in the hills of Cupe Alto, outside of San Juan, hosted and surrounded by the native people (who watched in amusement the first time I tasted home-made moonshine!). I took part in Three King's Day festivities, including the parranda. It would be a shame for this island to lose its language, and its culture, and its right to stand alone on the world stage.

Oh cool. You went there twice. Now, the people who have lived there their whole lives have voted to join as a state. I think they know better than you.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I think President Obama has said previously he'd support PR statehood if that's what they decided. This may very well go somewhere if that's true.

Can definately see that occurring....

 

[Creech]

This is like saying "It would be a shame to lose your right to be single" at somebody's wedding. Why do you insist on telling the Puerto Ricans what to do? Why can't they choose for themselves?

Why stop at Puerto Rico? Let's let Hati vote if they want to become part of the United States, or maybe we should let Cuba! And don't forget the Dominican Republic.

 

[SnowCal]

Why stop at Puerto Rico? Let's let Hati vote if they want to become part of the United States, or maybe we should let Cuba! And don't forget the Dominican Republic.

Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth of the United States. They are part of our country, but are not a full state today. As once were all 50 of the states currently in our union.

There is no good reason to exclude Puerto Rico full membership in our country.

 

[Skavau]

I pray that this does not come to pass. They have their own language, culture, customs, etc. What kind of imperialist nonsense is this?? I was hoping they would end up becoming independent, but it seems like that idea has little support.

Puerto Ricans are not and never will be Americans!

What is the overall "culture" of America?