Protests against Wall Street spread across US

[Saving Hawaii]

#OccupyWallStreet Grows: MoveOn, Transport Workers Union, Working Families Party, Others Join Protest

Wall Street protest joined by unions - Business - CBC News

That really argues against the idea that these protests are a big astroturf show. The unions are just now joining once they realized that a major political movement is fighting a cause very similar to theirs? That's not astroturf.

Why did the unions decide to stand in solidarity? There's actually a cool little story behind that. Apparently protest groups several hundred strong wandered from OWS and joined a couple labor unions (airline pilots and postal workers specifically) in their strike actions. Those two labor unions were the first to rally with OWS because they realized that they were fighting for the same cause. They want a fair shake for average Americans, for the 99%.

But this protest isn't astroturf. It's the real deal. The media (including traditionally liberal outlets like the NYT and CNN) have been relentlessly critical of OWS. Initially the media ignored them completely. Only with stories of mass arrests and police brutality did the mainstream media begin to even mention that there were protests going on. Occupy isn't media-driven astroturf like the Tea Party is. Nor has Occupy been driven by funding from the usual suspects like the Tea Party was. Nobody provided funding to OWS. It grew on its own and out of what resources it could find. They used the bathrooms at a McDonalds restaurant in Manhattan (OWS has been pretty critical of anybody griping about McD's by the way, they don't want to lose the loo) and had a phone number posted on the internet that supporters could call up and order a pizza for the protestors. That's not the hallmark of an astroturf campaign. That's what you see when you have a real-deal grassroots action.

This is the exact opposite of astroturf in a very significant way. It worries me and excites me... it could turn out well or badly. But it's definitely not astroturf.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Yes, they are joining the movement. Clear evidence that it is an astroturf movement and an Obamaislamofacist conspiracy.


Conservative thought processes don't make sense to me.

Come back when you have something intelligent to add.

 

[Incariol]

This is the exact opposite of astroturf in a very significant way. It worries me and excites me... it could turn out well or badly. But it's definitely not astroturf.

hmmm...

Do You Hear The People Sing - with lyrics - YouTube

 

[Incariol]

Come back when you have something intelligent to add.

Ok, since my other post was apparently a little too much for you: Your post makes no sense, your articles disproved your own point.

Simple enough?

 

[Saving Hawaii]

Come back when you have something intelligent to add.

If you held yourself to your own standard I doubt you'd ever come back at all.

 

[stelow]

If you held yourself to your own standard I doubt you'd ever come back at all.

Now that's so true; these protest are for people who have a pair. I'm attending this Saturday in my home town of Indianapolis, it's only a warm up this time, to get a feel for it.

 

[jsn112]

You forget the bailouts began with Bush and it was his term in office that tanked the economy due to lax regulations in the sub-prime lending business. Obama was literally handed a country in a Depression. Make no mistake, this is a Depression, which takes more than a decade to recover from. It was the Bush appointee who testified to Congress that if the banks were not bailed out Wall Street would melt down. The bankers took the money and instead of reinvesting it in America awarded themselves exhorbitant bonuses and put the rest of it in offshore accounts. Do your homework.

Peace

He did. Every presidents "inherit" something. Bush inherited the tech bubble; Reagan inherited Jimmy Carter's mess, etc. But the difference is that Bush and Reagan knew how to take us out. Not so the Anointed One. The Office of the Presidency is in over his head. All he can do is sing the same song and dance. Even Clinton was smart enough to learn from the Republicans by cutting the corporate tax, and hence, increased in revenue.

Question for you: You mentioned about advocating for more regulation, how does that increase jobs? Also, you mentioned bail outs-- First, Obama gave about $700 billions, then $50 billions, then another $20 billions, but there is still no jobs and unemployment is still over 9.1%. Now he wants another $700 billions. Do you know the definition of insanity?

 

[jsn112]

And you'd be hilariously wrong.

I didn't know socialists, anarchists, communists, and anti-capitalists voted for Republicans?! Really?! Since when?

 

[jsn112]

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


There's probably no relation between this verse and people laughing at those they think are poor and unemployed.

How do you know they are all poor? If they're so poor, how did they get to have iPhones, iPads, and other gadgets that they bring? I don't have an iPad or iPhones and I have a job. I guess being poor is actually rich in order to buy those items, right?

 

[Incariol]

I didn't know socialists, anarchists, communists, and anti-capitalists voted for Republicans?! Really?! Since when?

What are you babbling about? I think you must have multiple windows open and mixed up your replies to different threads.

 

[jsn112]

the reason they have time on their hands is because they have nowhere else to live after eviction, no job to do and they see they will continue to have a lot of time on their hands because they have lost hope. if you call playing the stock market "work" whilst not producing anything of any tangible use, your definition of work is not what I think it is.

How is protesting at Wall Street going to get them jobs?

 

[Incariol]

How do you know they are all poor? If they're so poor, how did they get to have iPhones, iPads, and other gadgets that they bring? I don't have an iPad or iPhones and I have a job. I guess being poor is actually rich in order to buy those items, right?

What are you talking about? I didn't say anything like that.

 

[jsn112]

What are you babbling about? I think you must have multiple windows open and mixed up your replies to different threads.

You forgot what you posted earlier about what political party would these protesters align themselves with already?

 

[Saving Hawaii]

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[Incariol]

You forgot what you posted earlier about what political party would these protesters align themselves with already?

No, I remember, I said that someone would be wrong to assume they vote overwhelmingly Democrat. I assume you mixed it up when you posted some bizarre comment about them voting Republican, because that didn't make any sense in context, and "socialists, anarchists, anti-capitalists", which was frankly flat out stupid.

 

[pantsman52]

How is protesting at Wall Street going to get them jobs?

It's to bring attention to the problem of there not being any as a result of a broken economic system gamed by a tiny percentage of the population to the detriment of the rest.

 

[Saving Hawaii]

It's to bring attention to the problem of there not being any [jobs] as a result of a broken economic system gamed by a tiny percentage of the population to the detriment of the rest.

It doesn't take a professor to realize what these protests are about.

 

[Billnew]

Got way behind because I didn't check back yesterday.
First 6 pages of posts said that the protestors are protesting the big evil corps for having to much power in goverment?
Did I understand that right? So they're protesting the people enjoying the power, rather then the people that give them the power?

And you'd be hilariously wrong.

I don't see how we could prove this either way. I would assume since the ideaology is liberal, they either voted for Obama or some radical third party.

The Lord hears the voices of the oppressed and victims of injustice. We are his eyes and ears and his hands and feet. We should make it our duty to understand what is being said and then take appropriate action.

Oppressed? Injustice? People earning money is oppressing? People wanting to keep more of the money they earn is injustice?
I guess taking all money from the private sector, to fairly distribute it among the people, would be the best idea?

Is it opposite day and no one told me? The Occupy Wall Street is just a poor and disorganized attempt to create a liberal version of the Tea Party. Just look at their demands: Occupy Wall Street Demands. I realize it's not an official list, but pretty much everything on that list is as anti-conservative as you can get. $20 minimum wage? The current minimum wage already has minority youth unemployment at 40%, are they trying to reach 100% minority youth unemployment?

Now every individual of the tea party speaks for the Tea party(even the stupidest of things) so everything the protestors say is speaking for the protest.

How do you know these people are all poor and unemployed?

I doubt many are spending their vacation time on the street 24/7. They are either paid protestors or they are unemployed.

Will start another thread on the demands.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

I'm beyond sick and tired of occupy wall street. I'm ready for it to die out. I agree Billnew's comment: earning money is oppressing?

Since when? Earning money is part of the traditional American dream, not big handouts from papa gov'ment.

 

[Verticordious]

I'm beyond sick and tired of occupy wall street. I'm ready for it to die out. I agree Billnew's comment: earning money is oppressing?

Since when? Earning money is part of the traditional American dream, not big handouts from papa gov'ment.

I agree, it's a shame to see people behaving like this. It all comes down to greed. Coveting is mentioned in the ten commandments for a reason, it destroys an economy if it is allowed to continue. Excluding liberal bailouts, the only way to businesses to get rich is to produce a good or service that people want to buy. If no one wants to buy the products a business have to offer, then that businesses will fail. To blame your failure on someone else's success is nothing but greed.

The reason that some people have more money than others is because they contribute more to the economy than others. Contributing to the economy doesn't hurt anyone, it helps everyone. The reason why virtually everyone in America has a computer, instead of just the richest of the rich, is because successful businesses have been contributing to the economy. IBM and Microsoft made computers useful, which made them rich because companies bought their computers, which made the companies rich because they increased the efficiency of their company, which makes everyone rich because more goods and services in the economy means lower prices. To blame your problems on successful businesses is shortsighted, greedy, and nonsensical.