Proposed Changes the SDA doctrine in order to make more accurate and based on the Bible And not EGW

[Gary K]

Until the Seventh-day Adventist Church removes those who disagree with the 28 fundamental beliefs they will continue to have calls for reform from the various members who do not agree with the 28. As it is they are still members of the church. This includes a number of ministers.

Adventist Heretic is in fact part of the church.

In other words, until the SDA church decides to destroy itself by walking away from scripture you agree with AH.

 

[tall73]

In other words, until the SDA church decides to destroy itself by walking away from scripture you agree with AH.

You didn't read the statement I made very well.

I said until they remove those who do not believe in the 28 they will still have calls for reform from those who don't believe in the 28.

Unless of course I am misreading you and you think those who reject the 28 are upholding Scripture.

The denominations has so far embraced a big tent approach, not removing people wholesale for rejecting the 28. This might be for political reasons, or their interpretation of the wheat and tares, or perhaps interpretation that the shaking will do that for them, etc.
Whatever the reason, there are people who openly reject docrtrines and are not removed.

As to agreement with Adventist Heretic, I agree with him on some things, and disagree on others. We discuss such all the time. But one of the disagreements is whether it is better to stay or leave the church. I left when I couldn't agree with the fundamentals. He feels it is worth staying to reform.

 

[Gary K]

You didn't read the statement I made very well.

I said until they remove those who do not believe in the 28 they will still have calls for reform from those who don't believe in the 28.

Unless of course I am misreading you and you think those who reject the 28 are upholding Scripture.

The denominations has so far embraced a big tent approach, not removing people wholesale for rejecting the 28. This might be for political reasons, or their interpretation of the wheat and tares, or perhaps interpretation that the shaking will do that for them, etc.
Whatever the reason, there are people who openly reject docrtrines and are not removed.

As to agreement with Adventist Heretic, I agree with him on some things, and disagree on others. We discuss such all the time. But one of the disagreements is whether it is better to stay or leave the church. I left when I couldn't agree with the fundamentals. He feels it is worth staying to reform.

God will take care of the problem and all of you who want to lead the church away from scripture will find your way out of it. That's what we're told will happen and it will happen.

 

[tall73]

God will take care of the problem and all of you who want to lead the church away from scripture will find your way out of it. That's what we're told will happen and it will happen.

The Seventh-day Adventist Fundamental beliefs are not Scripture, and have been changed multiple times already.

 

[Gary K]

The Seventh-day Adventist Fundamental beliefs are not Scripture, and have been changed multiple times already.

Only to bring them in line with scripture when our church was going through it's formative process. It's obvious how much you despise the SDA church and I will put you on my prayer list to ask God to change your heart as I certainly can't argue into change your own heart as that is also an impossibility. None of us can change our own hearts..

 

[tall73]

Only to bring them in line with scripture when our church was going through it's formative process.

The Fundamentals in their current form started in the 80's, and had 27. They have been modified since.

 

[tall73]

It's obvious how much you despise the SDA church

Disagreeing with doctrinal positions is not despising.

 

[Gary K]

The Fundamentals in their current form started in the 80's, and had 27. They have been modified since.

So? It didn't change their basic structure and what you and people like AH want to do is change who SDAs are by changing our distinctive beliefs. The very reasons for our existence. IOWs, you want to destroy the church.

 

[tall73]

So? It didn't change their basic structure

So fundamentals are not Scripture and can change.

and what you and people like AH want to do is change who SDAs are by changing our distinctive beliefs. The very reasons for our existence. IOWs, you want to destroy the church.

I don't think the SDA church will change, which is why I recommend people like HA leave. However, you have now said that God will deal with the "problem" of folks like HA who want to see changes to the fundamentals based on their study of Scripture. So if you take that position, that God can resolve it, in the meantime you still have people with various views on the 28 in your church. So you will probably keep seeing these kinds of discussions.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So? It didn't change their basic structure and what you and people like AH want to do is change who SDAs are by changing our distinctive beliefs. The very reasons for our existence. IOWs, you want to destroy the church.

AH already says he is SEA, not SDA and has created his own fundamental belief system, so it seems through his own admission, he is not SDA.

 

[Gary K]

AH already says he is SEA, not SDA and has created his own fundamental belief system, so it seems through his own admission, he is not SDA.

In a way that is true. However he is just leaving the DA out of the acronym.

 

[tall73]

AH already says he is SEA, not SDA and has created his own fundamental belief system, so it seems through his own admission, he is not SDA.

Yet he claims he is SDA as well, and still is according to the church.

 

[Gary K]

Yet he claims he is SDA as well, and still is according to the church.

Why, because his name is still on the membership rolls? Seems to me that membership in any denomination is no guarantee of salvation. So why. when a person doesn't believe what SDAs believe, would he desire to stay in a church he believes is fallen? If I didn't believe as SDAs believe I would leave in an instant. The church has it's problems, but there is no other denomination that has the truths SDAs have so there is no other place for me to go.

 

[tall73]

Why, because his name is still on the membership rolls?

And he still attends, etc.

Seems to me that membership in any denomination is no guarantee of salvation.

Why would it be?

So why. when a person doesn't believe what SDAs believe, would he desire to stay in a church he believes is fallen? If I didn't believe as SDAs believe I would leave in an instant. The church has it's problems, but there is no other denomination that has the truths SDAs have so there is no other place for me to go.

Because he likewise feels it is the best place for him, and agrees with a number of things. And he doesn't consider it "fallen."

But he thinks on some points the church is not in line with Scripture.

 

[Gary K]

And he still attends, etc.



Why would it be?


Because he likewise feels it is the best place for him, and agrees with a number of things. And he doesn't consider it "fallen."

But he thinks on some points the church is not in line with Scripture.

Look at the Jews of Christ's day. They were a truly fallen chutch as they were not following scripture. They had their own man made traditions and those are what they followed when the two conflicted. AH and you are in the same boat. You don't follow the Biblical truths the church teaches.

What's the best way to get someone to take poison? To mix a small amount of it with something that tastes good. The same with error. When a small amount of it is mixed with truth we no longer have truth. We have error.

We have error.

 

[Leaf473]

The idea of the SDA Church being destroyed was raised above.

The church, the body of Christ, has always been under attack by the forces of evil. Yet its continued existence and on-going victory is guaranteed by the actions of Christ himself.

"Church" can also be applied to a regional gathering of Christians or a human institution. These things come and go throughout history.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 16:18 - New American Standard Bible

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Gary K]

The idea of the SDA Church being destroyed was raised above.

The church, the body of Christ, has always been under attack by the forces of evil. Yet its continued existence and on-going victory is guaranteed by the actions of Christ himself.

"Church" can also be applied to a regional gathering of Christians or a human institution. These things come and go throughout history.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 16:18 - New American Standard Bible

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

www.biblegateway.com

I don't get this response. I specifically talked about denominations previously just to avoid this problem. Yet you're most likely not the only one having the same thoughts.

 

[Leaf473]

I don't get this response. I specifically talked about denominations previously just to avoid this problem. Yet you're most likely not the only one having the same thoughts.

I have no concerns about a particular denomination being destroyed.

What difference does it make if a particular human institution falls apart? I don't mean that in an uncaring way, it's an honest question

 

[Gary K]

I have no concerns about a particular denomination being destroyed.

What difference does it make if a particular human institution falls apart? I don't mean that in an uncaring way, it's an honest question

Would you care if your denomination fell apart? Probably not. But I have no other denomination to join as no other denomination has our distinctive beliefs.

 

[Leaf473]

Would you care if your denomination fell apart? Probably not.

That's correct But I love the people!

But I have no other denomination to join as no other denomination has our distinctive beliefs.

Why is it important to you to join a denomination? Can you fellowship with Christians who don't share the same beliefs as you do about some things?