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Propitiation

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by justbyfaith, Jul 22, 2017.

  1. justbyfaith

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    In Leviticus 26:10 it is written, And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.

    Therefore I will bring up an old doctrine that is essential to our faith in this post.

    Romans 3:23-26, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    I want to address the parts of this scripture passage that I have underlined. First, God has set forth Jesus to be a propitiation through faith in his blood.

    The word propitiation basically means appeasement and literally refers to the appeasement of God's justice and wrath against sin. Jesus basically took the penalty of our sins upon Himself and suffered the wrath of God upon Himself and received the justice due unto us for the wrongs that we have committed. The last thing underlined in this passage says that God is both just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. How can this be?

    There are two seemingly irreconcilable attributes found in the heart of God: His justice and His mercy. His justice requires that He mete out the exact and full punishment for every sin; and mercy desires that we receive less than the full punishment. So how can God be both merciful and just? It would seem impossible. But the foolishness of God is wiser than men. God meted out the just penalty for our sins on Jesus Christ His only begotten Son. Thus His justice is satisfied, and those who believe in Jesus are not recipients of God's justice but of the fullest extent of His mercy: we receive no punishment for our sins except for the discipline and chastening that a Father gives to His sons (see Hebrews 12:5-11). Concerning justice God's justice is satisfied in the Cross to those who believe in Jesus.

    Now another thing underlined is that there is the remission of sins that are past. Now this would seem to fly in the face of that doctrine, that says that we are forgiven of past, present, and future sin. Such a doctrine implies that there is no need for repentance in our coming to the Lord for salvation.

    In genuine repentance there is a strong turning away from the sins that one is repenting of. If one commits the sin again that he says he repented of, it is a sign that he didn't truly repent. Now if I sin as a believer of course there is forgiveness if I bring that sin into the light and confess it so that I can be forgiven and cleansed from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). The goal however is sanctification, and this can be done in a complete manner (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, Hebrews 10:10-17, 1 John 3:5-9) so that repentance affects the whole of a man's life and he does not sin anymore (1 John 3:9). The propitiation is concerning the remission of sins that are past, and remission is defined in much the same way that you might define someone as being in remission if they had cancer. A cancer that is in remission is still in the body, but it is no longer a threat and cannot do anything anymore to cause harm to the host. Likewise, when our sins go into remission (see also Acts of the Apostles 2:38), the sin nature is put to death (crucified...Galatians 5:24) so that it no longer has any kind of say in the behaviour of the one in whom the sin that is in remission dwells.

    Now the fact that propititiation is through faith in his blood makes me think of certain scriptures.

    Hebrews 13:12, Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctifiy the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

    1 John 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    The blood of Jesus has sanctifying and cleansing power, so this propitiation through faith in His blood makes God both just and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus in another sense: the recipient of propitiation is made righteous (Romans 5:17, Romans 5:19) as the free gift of God, and as the result God is able to declare him to be righteous.
     
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  2. amariselle

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    Good thoughts. :) Thanks for sharing.

    It's wonderful that we can have absolute assurance and peace in Christ our Saviour.

    God bless.
     
  3. mark kennedy

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    A fine exposition of a vital passage of Scripture, all coming down to the mercy seat in the Tabernacle, the Temple and especially, heaven itself.

    Once a year the High Priest would enter the Holy of Holies, apply the blood of the sacrifice to the mercy seat. The incense, ignited with the sacrificial flame of the alter, one mistake and they would have to drag him out with ropes.

    We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and steadfast. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, where Jesus our forerunner has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. (Hebrews 6:19,20)
    The difference between the Levitical High Priest and the Son of God is the High Priest had to first make sacrifice for himself. Christ entered the Sanctuary of heaven itself, our faithful Priest, without beginning of days or end of life.

    I love this exposition from Vine's:

    Mercy Seat: "the lid or cover of the ark of the covenant," signifies the Propitiatory, so called on account of the expiation made once a year on the great Day of Atonement, Hbr 9:5. For the formation see Exd 25:17-21. The Heb. word is kapporeth, "the cover," a meaning connected with the covering or removal of sin (Psa 32:1) by means of expiatory sacrifice. This mercy seat, together with the ark, is spoken of as the footstool of God, 1Ch 28:2; cp. Psa 99:5; 132:7. The Lord promised to be present upon it and to commune with Moses "from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim," Exd 25:22 (see CHERUBIM). In the Sept. the word epithema, which itself means "a cover," is added to hilasterion; epithema was simply a translation of kapporeth; accordingly, hilasterion, not having this meaning, and being essentially connected with propitiation, was added. Eventually hilasterion stood for both. In 1Ch 28:11 the Holy of Holies is called "the House of the Kapporeth" (see RV, marg.).

    Through His voluntary expiatory sacrifice in the shedding of His blood, under Divine judgment upon sin, and through His resurrection, Christ has become the Mercy Seat for His people. 'Mercy Seat' (ἱλαστήριον hilastērion G2435 Vine's Dictionary)​

    Grace and peace,
    Mark
     
  4. sdowney717

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    'Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, '

    If the person then has no faith, then they have no propiation, no atonement for their sins.
    Acts 13:38
    Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;

    John 8:21
    [ Jesus Predicts His Departure ] Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

    John 8:24
    Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

    The propitiation, the atonement is a limited and very personal atonement, and is to those who have have faith in Christ, that He rose from the dead after shedding His blood for their sins.
     
  5. sdowney717

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    'The word propitiation basically means appeasement and literally refers to the appeasement of God's justice and wrath against sin."

    John 3, here, tells us that propitiation (appeasement of wrath from a deity) is not for unbelievers.

    36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life;
    and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

    Those words, atonement, propitiation, have a lot of theological associated emotional baggage.
     
  6. sdowney717

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    Propitiation | carm
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    This means the turning away of wrath by an offering. It is similar to expiation, but expiation does not carry the nuances involving wrath. For the Christian, the propitiation was the shed blood of Jesus on the cross. It turned away the wrath of God so that He could pass "over the sins previously committed," (Rom. 3:25). It was the Father who sent the Son to be the propitiation (1 John 4:10) for all (1 John 2:2).

    • "Propitiation properly signifies the removal of wrath by the offering of a gift," (The New Bible Dictionary).
    • "Propitiation signifies the turning away of wrath by an offering," (Baker's Dictionary of Theology, p. 424).
    • The act of appeasing the wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person, (dictionary.com).
    • "The act of appeasing the wrath," (Webster's dictionary, 1828).
     
  7. EmSw

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    Let's look at propitiation in the OT.

    2 Chronicles 12:12
    When he humbled himself, the wrath of the Lord turned from him, so as not to destroy him completely; and things also went well in Judah.

    2 Chronicles 30:8
    Now do not be stiff-necked, as your fathers were, but yield yourselves to the Lord; and enter His sanctuary, which He has sanctified forever, and serve the Lord your God, that the fierceness of His wrath may turn away from you.

    Psalm 85
    2 You have forgiven the iniquity of Your people; You have covered all their sin. Selah
    3 You have taken away all Your wrath; You have turned from the fierceness of Your anger.
    4 Restore us, O God of our salvation, and cause Your anger toward us to cease.


    Psalm 106:23
    Therefore He said that He would destroy them, had not Moses His chosen one stood before Him in the breach, to turn away His wrath, lest He destroy them.

    No mention of blood to turn away God's wrath in these passages. No blood has to be shed for God's propitiation.
     
  8. Marvin Knox

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    What's your point?:scratch:
    Huhh?

    Did you even read the passage from Romans?
     
  9. bling

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    The KJV is very difficult to understand this verse since we no longer speak Victorian English, please look at others:

    NKJV whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

    RSV whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins;

    NIV God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—

    Or go back and translate the Greek: YLT literal translation needs work also: whom God did set forth a mercy seat, through the faith in his blood, for the shewing forth of His righteousness, because of the passing over of the bygone sins in the forbearance of God –


    You say: “…God's justice and wrath against sin.” But sin is not a physical object you can be wrathful toward and verse 23 says “all have sinned” and goes on in 24 talking about all and not sin itself.

    Some of this is good, but we have to deal with the other stuff first.
     
  10. EmSw

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    Did you read the passages I gave?
     
  11. Marvin Knox

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    Yes - of course. That's why I asked you what your point was.

    Do you believe that the scriptures you provided somehow run counter to what is said in Romans?

    I asked you if you read Romans because you deny the blood atonement. Do you not see it there?

    Of course, if you don't see Paul's writings as the Word of God, we don't have many places to go with this subject. Is that the case?

    This requires a straight answer from you and don't beat around the bush or we'll be done here.
     
  12. EmSw

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    Is this not propitiation to you?

    Psalm 106:23
    Therefore He said that He would destroy them, had not Moses His chosen one stood before Him in the breach, to turn away His wrath, lest He destroy them.

    2 Chronicles 12:12
    When he humbled himself, the wrath of the Lord turned from him, so as not to destroy him completely; and things also went well in Judah.

    John 3:36
    He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

    Even Jesus said the wrath of God abides on those who do not believe and do not obey the Son. So I ask, if the Son says to keep the commandments, and you don't obey Him, is the wrath of God abiding on you?
     
  13. justbyfaith

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    The KJV really is NOT that difficult to understand; I prefer it in fact and hold it to be inerrant and inspired above other translations.


    It doesn't have to be a physical object to be a thing. It is clear from scripture that the element of sin dwells within each one of us (1 John 1:8, Romans 7:18). We deal with it at the Cross through the blood of Christ; and if we don't, it remains within us so that on the day of judgment when God casts all sin into the lake of fire we will be cast in with it if we will not be separated from it through the blood of Jesus.



    We can certainly talk about these things if you wish. Just come out and say what you think ISN'T good so we can discuss it and see if you are right concerning that.
     
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  14. justbyfaith

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    Hi EmSw,

    The verses that you have brought up do not nullify the fact that propititation is through faith in His blood according to Romans 3:25. As a matter of fact, no scripture nullifiies any other scripture. All scripture is to be taken into account and the whole of the scriptural message is to be believed.
     
  15. EmSw

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    So, does Romans 3:25 nullify the verses from Ezekiel?
     
  16. Marvin Knox

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    OK!

    I asked for a straight answer to my question and did not get one.

    You do not believe in the blood atonement and you do not accept the writings of Paul in Romans as the Word of the Lord.

    Actually there are many other heretical beliefs which you have shared over the past year or so. But those will more than do it - for this thread anyway:wave:.
     
  17. EmSw

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    So, those passages I gave you are foolishness to you. I was hoping they would be the truth in your eyes, but I can't choose for you.

    You are putting your trust in physical things (His blood). Physical things do not exist in the spiritual realm. It's not your physical heart to which God looks. It's not your physical hands you must cut off to enter the kingdom. It's not becoming a physical child to enter the kingdom. It's not physically entering your mother's womb again to see the kingdom of God.

    You must get your mind off worldly things; put them on spirituals truths. Jesus said if we don't eat His flesh and drink His blood, we have no life in us. This is not speaking of physical, worldly flesh and blood.

    Being cleansed by His blood is not speaking of His physical blood. Physical blood cleanses nothing. It is His word which cleanse us, His spiritual word.

    Psalm 119:9
    How can a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed according to Your word.

    John 15:3
    You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

    Ephesians 5:26
    that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,

    But Marvin, the choice is yours. Take your chance with physical, worldly things. It will only go as far as the physical realm exists.
     
  18. sdowney717

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    Proof physical blood was used to purify Israel in the OC.

    Hebrews 9:19
    For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
    Hebrews 9:20
    saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.”
    Hebrews 9:21
    Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry.
    Hebrews 9:22
    And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

    And where did Christ present His blood sacrifice?
    Do you also reject the book of Hebrews?

    Hebrews 9:12
    Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

    Hebrews 9:24
    For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
     
  19. justbyfaith

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    I know of no verses in Ezekiel that say that the propitiation of the Cross does not come through faith in the blood of Christ.

    If you want to bring up some verses out of Ezekiel that you think do say that, I would be happy to discuss them with you.
     
  20. justbyfaith

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    EmSw, do you believe that Jesus Christ came in a physical body? That He physically died on a physical Cross? Please answer this question before we go any further.

    I would point out to you that Jesus ate broiled fish after He was resurrected (Luke 24:42). Also, before His death on the Cross and His subsequent resurrection, Jesus rescued Peter out of the depths of the sea by reaching out with His physical hand and catching him with it (Matthew 14:31). Physical hand there came into contact with physical hand and that physical contact kept Peter from sinking into the waves.
     
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