Prophetic practice thread

[Trish1947]

Good stuff as usual Trish.

Well thank you so much, my dear friend, for that. I'm not sure about the "as usual part"..that's huge to me... Maybe I should make this my last post.... while I'm ahead.

 

[4Christ2]

Jeremiah was told that God put the words in His mouth, and he went. But he also said that he is to young, and God rebuked him saying who told you or do not say you are too young. Jeremiah was young and innocent, not as some other known prophet who said he had uncircumcised lips and was given a coal for his lips.

And this is my point too. Jeremiah was young and inexperienced. But it was his own insecurity causing him to question God about His choice to send him. God rebuked him is true. Does God not also rebuke us when we question ourselves after He has told us to GO?

Again, I'm not seeking to be argumentative, but seeking to understand.

 

[4Christ2]

4christ2 what does the word practice mean to you. to me it means to do, to use my gift if i have delivered one message i have done something, if i have delivered many messages i am practicing--using my gift.
Moses practiced the gift of prophecy because he used his gift over and over. All the examples we have in the Bible show each was practicing--using their gift each time they are called to do so.
It seems to be how one looks at the word itself and how it is used.
If a musician plays a song. Is he praciticing the song or is he preforming the song? To him he is just playing the song. To those who may be watching he is preforming the song. But to the musician who just loves what he is doing and has a God given gift for doing he to himself is just playing a song and really doesnt care what others may say to them he may be preforming for them and to some he may be practicing infront of them but to the musician he is just playing what he is given.
You see brother my thoughts are much the same you and others can call it practice, some can call it prophecy, some can call it babbling, some can call it edifying words. I call it giving others what i am given with the hope that it lifts another and maybe just maybe something is seen a little clearer.
God is not pouring out the gift of prophecy upon one but upon many. And is now given to edify the whole Body of Christ so many can lead the lost out of darkness to the light of Christ in the short time we have left to do so.
So if God has given you something to say then now is the time to say it over and over so as many ears can hear as possible. please dont let a word such as practice hold you back.

Millerrod,

I understand your question I think. I am in the healthcare field. To me "practicing" could mean I am a "practicing" physician. It is a vocation and therefore something I do all the time.

It could also mean, in another way, that I am "practicing" for the piano recital I have coming up.

 

[4Christ2]

At least, if we try it out here and fail, we are not too far into the spotlight to have our lives torn apart from ridicule. If it is already in your spirit, then it is most likely prophecy, if not, then either discard it, or hold onto it and see.

But why would we fail? If it is prophesy from the Lord, it cannot fail. Right?

 

[4Christ2]

Every believer can prophesy. The practice is to help you overcome hinderances and learn to speak in public, learn to be sensitive to the spirit, and allow yourself to be a vessal for Spiritual gifts.

I'm afraid I still don't understand. If the Lord gives one a prophetic message to share...would He not equip one with everything needed to get the message accross without bungling, stuttering, or messing it up?

It seems that we are placing more emphasis on the prophet and not enough on the one who empowers the prophet - God's Spirit. Again, please help me understand.

 

[4Christ2]

So many churches have programmed the Holy Spirit right out of their services and left no opportunity for those with a prophetic gift to exercise it. What happens to those who have a prophetic gift then? It usually lies dormant in them and then dies through lack of use.

We all have had to start somewhere, and a thread like this is a really good place to start. God is not limited in the way He speaks to people, and He is able to use this forum for His glory. So let's not be trapped in the limited box of our natural minds and try to make the Holy Spirit operate just according to our natural minds.


It is not where and how the prophetic takes place. It is the content of the words that are given. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, and if people sense that the words that are coming bear that testimony, then who is there than can doubt it?

These things make sense to me Oscarr. I know how frightening it can be to step out in faith with a prophetic word. I've done it a few times. But it still seems to me that we are indeed using our natural minds in this area. I would think that if the Lord gives you something for someone, HE will also give you the boldness to speak it and the skills to deliver it!

I'm not condemning what you are doing here. I read the entire thread and thoroughly enjoyed reading it and learned from it. I just wanted to ask these questions and get a clearer understanding of the "practice" part of it.

Thank you all for being so open and willing to share with me. Again, I learned something valuable.

Blessings to You.

 

[LogonLalein]

I'm afraid I still don't understand. If the Lord gives one a prophetic message to share...would He not equip one with everything needed to get the message accross without bungling, stuttering, or messing it up?

It seems that we are placing more emphasis on the prophet and not enough on the one who empowers the prophet - God's Spirit. Again, please help me understand.

No problem.
The base definition of prophecy does not include prediction or even divine attribution.
A simple prophecy may be something as simple as a little poem or a song. A blessing can be delivered via a prophecy. I have even had the meal blessing delivered via a prophecy.

Most people have the incorrect assumption that all prophecies come directly from God and include things like predictions or some sort of "personal prophecy." This is simply not true. It is not found in scripture nor does it happen in practice.

The majority of prophecies that I have received over the last 36 years have been of the sort that Paul and David spoke. They are simply prophetic speech that comes from the utterance of your own spirit. Prophecy simply means to speak forth, that is from an utterance. That utterance can come from numerous sources.
The Holy Spirit (as in the gift of prophecy)
The spirit of Christ in us
A demonic spirit
In unregenerates, their unregenerate spirit.

Each of these can be illustrated from scripture.

Most of the prophecy we see here will be of the second sort. That is we are generating prophetic utterance from the spirit of Christ within ourselves. Relatively few believers actually have the Holy Spirit enabled gift of prophecy. Certainly not all. But we can all prophesy forth from the spirit of Christ in us. In this form we will speak forth from the content of our faith. Since all our faith comes from God to start with, and since it is not I that live but it is Christ living in me, I can therefore speak forth words from that faith content and that is Christ speaking in me.
It is mighty in those who will hear it!

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

These things make sense to me Oscarr. I know how frightening it can be to step out in faith with a prophetic word. I've done it a few times. But it still seems to me that we are indeed using our natural minds in this area. I would think that if the Lord gives you something for someone, HE will also give you the boldness to speak it and the skills to deliver it!

I'm not condemning what you are doing here. I read the entire thread and thoroughly enjoyed reading it and learned from it. I just wanted to ask these questions and get a clearer understanding of the "practice" part of it.

Thank you all for being so open and willing to share with me. Again, I learned something valuable.

Blessings to You.

What you really need is to get among a group of people who know how to move in the prophetic but at the same time are loving and supportive to those who are just coming into it and wanting to overcome their nervousness. Actually your nervousness is an asset, because you will spend extra time praying and waiting on God to make sure that it is really a word from Him that you are sharing. This is a good thing. I was like that when I was first starting out in a church with a pastor who had very high standards about prophecy. I was too scared to give a prophecy unless I just knew it had to be from God. I spent hours talking about it with God and asking Him to teach me. Finally. I went to a conference where I interpreted a lot of the tongues messages there. When we got home the pastor commended and supported me. After so long worrying and stressing and praying, his affirmation of me was a badge of honour, and I have never looked back.

Smith Wigglesworth taught that as we step out in faith, maybe the first couple of words may be from our natural mind, but in response to our faith, the Spirit comes and flows through us to make the rest of the prophecy from Him. This is faith building, because if we step out in faith and obedience, then He will honour our faith and make our words genuine.

Remember, if you have waited on God and you really believe that what you have is from the Holy Spirit, it is best to step out and give the word, because there is always someone waiting on the other end of your obedience, and you never know how effective that word will be to that person it is meant for. It is better to be obedient and step out, than to hang back, paralysed with fear.

Remember what happened to the man with one talent. He hid it in the ground because he was afraid he would lose it. The same principle applies to the prophetic. I wonder how many good people have buried their prophetic gifts in the ground because they were afraid of making a mistake?

Don't be motivated by fear. As the popular self-help book says: Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway. If you are sincere before God, you won't have to vindicate yourself, the Holy Spirit will vindicate you with the fruit of your obedience.

 

[4Christ2]

Amen Oscarr. Thank you so much. I receive all this instruction with thanksgiving to the Lord. I acknowledge that I desire MORE! There is a strong word for me and I will wait patiently until it arrives.

 

[Trish1947]

I still get struck with fear once in awhile. But when I analysed it. It seemed unjustified. The words were from my heart, they are scirptually sound, I sinced the drawing and sometimes the intensity of my spirit to speak them. I had to make a decision. Either I get stuck on this fearful merry-go-round, or I step out in the faith I did have, and start growing to overcome it. Then one day someone prophecied to me only these words. It hit me hard. "A good tree does not bring forth bad fruit"..Yes I still get a little apprehensive, but these words of confidence, spoken so many years ago, made all the difference to me. It was an edification prophecy that made all the difference in the world on what I was going to do.

 

[TasManOfGod]

One thing to remember -if you do not want a trainee surgeon messing with your brain would you similarly not want a trainee "prophet" messing with your mind.
The Bible sys -"Lay hands on no one quickly" (1 Tim 5:22) There is some Godly wisdom there

 

[millerrod]

I would pray for a prophet who thought he was perfect.
Many things of God are given to a prophet in a symbolic manner and the one who recieves the message must study and discern and figure out the message. And then deliver the message and no matter how carful one is the prophet can error in the study of the message given.
That is why all who here the message given must themselves discern the given message to see if it falls within Gods teaching.
All prophets must discern the message they have been given and all prophets can error none are perfect !! Christ only is perfect !! And all deciples of Christ must discern the message given by any prophet as long as the prophet is of flesh the prophet can misinterperp. a given message.
It is up to the prophet as well as the ears the message falls on to allow the Holy spirit to discern the given message to know if it is of God or of man.

 

[BellaSong]

One thing to remember -if you do not want a trainee surgeon messing with your brain would you similarly not want a trainee "prophet" messing with your mind.
The Bible sys -"Lay hands on no one quickly" (1 Tim 5:22) There is some Godly wisdom there

Perhaps it is time to get this thread back on track and continue in what it was intended for.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Perhaps it is time to get this thread back on track and continue in what it was intended for.

From what I understand, the purpose of this thread was to give opportunity for those who desire a prophetic word for their lives to request one and for those who wish to step out in faith in the prophetic to give an edifying word. Furthermore, it was designed for those who needed some extra confidence to step out without the stress of having to do it in a crowded church meeting on a Sunday morning.

I have tried to encourage people through the teaching I have given on this thread, and have been encouraged by the number of people who have found it helpful in 'demystifying' the gift of prophecy,

However, there have been some debates started by disbelieving ones who have generated fear in others - fear of being false, or in error, or just moving in the flesh instead of the Spirit.

People are permitted to believe what they like, but I think that it is unfair to come on a ministry thread and sidetrack the purpose through debates that come from a disbelieving heart. It is better that those ones go elsewhere and leave us who wish to carry on the prophetic ministry to those who believe in it to get on with edifying one another and building up our faith in the Holy Spirit.

I base my opinion on the following scripture where it talks about the type of people that will end up in a Christless eternity. Revelation 21: 8. This is a very negative list and I will not quote the verse here, but notice that it includes the fearful and the unbelieving. It shows that the Lord is so disapproving of fear and unbelief that He equates them with faithlessness, idolatory, murder, adultery, and practisers of magic arts. So in this scripture we see the absolute sinfulness of fear and unbelief.

So, I think that those who are fearful of moving in the prophetic on this thread should go away and deal with their fear before posting again here.

And as for the unbelieving, I think that you would be much more productive posting on threads where you do believe in the theme, rather than upsetting the faith of good people here through your unbelief.

I believe that this is the way to get this thread back on track so it is a blessing to us.

 

[charityagape]

WOW. I've been avoided this thread for a long time becase I thougt it was a "Thus saith the Lord of gloom and doom" kinda thing that's been circulating.................BUT it's really very edifying.



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I prophecy to myself, is that weird?

 

[7kingskid7]

i am kindas new at prophecy and i also have the gift of discernment wisdom and knowledge and i'd love to practice them more so is anyone willing for me to give them a prophecy???

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

i am kindas new at prophecy and i also have the gift of discernment wisdom and knowledge and i'd love to practice them more so is anyone willing for me to give them a prophecy???

I am willing to receive a word from you. I won't give you any details so that you can totally trust the voice of the Holy Spirit to speak a word in season to me.

 

[7kingskid7]

okalies here i go

God is saying to me that for a while you have been trying so hard to recieve more of the spirit and that you have been working for more and more but God is saying that you don't need to do anything to recieve him he is saying that all he wants from you is to relax and just ask him to come in and he is saying to me that you are never beyond the age to work for God and that he still has great plans for you and that if you are willing to let God use you he will age is no limit and he loves you and all he wants is for you to relax and enjoy and not stress about it all

does that help??

 

[millerrod]

It was shown that the body is as God. The arms and hands as Jesus. We that have given our lives to Jesus are as the fingers of His hand. All being as one.
These fingers consist of individual christians who when acting upon the will of God. Have been placed in churches as members, on airways, media, papers, books, music internet, as preists, and pastors, teachers and prophets. ALL who call Jesus master.
If we look at our own hand we will notice no two fingers are the same. They are each unique in length, shape and thickness. As are the Fingers of Jesus each unique. His churches are based on the same foundation but each with its own uniquness, Each giving a place for the individual christian. Who are each unique. To be guided by Gods Spirit as placement on His hand. To work together like the hands placed upon a jar. Each fitting in its place to form a grip so the hand can twist it off.
But if each finger is not working together and moving in opposing movement. you are unable to even pick up the jar let alone remove the lid.
Could one who plays the piano make music if the fingers did not work together. Or could one finger make but noise. Where as they all together even if different and unique in size and shape when working in harmony and not against each other can make beautiful music.
Could a carpenter build anything no matter how great his knowledge, how fine the wood or how well his plans are laid out. If his fingers he could not place around the handle of his hammer.
Could we no matter how great our hunger even feed ourselves if our fingers would not work together to pick up that what we eat.
Satan is the beginning of sin and vanity is that which lead him to sin. And through vanity satan has caused deep and open sores upon the fingers of our masters hand.
Through vanity we are following our will and not our Lords. Because of vanity we hear those who say my church or our church and seldom do we hear the truth. They are each our Lords churches. Because of vanity we look at the fingers beside us and scoff at them and say they should be like us. Because of vanity we look at the fingers beside us and scoff at the open sore upon them. and yes many do have open sores. But should we not pray for their healing of their sores and in doing so it would be ointment upon our own sores. There are even those who think that the other fingers should be removed and cut off from the hand. Is this not also vanity. For only one would have the authority to do so.
It has been shown the sore of vanity are deep upon the fingers of our Lord.
The harvest is near and His fingers must be healed as to help with the harvest. For if they are not much grain shall be left lying in the fields. Leaving the servents much to answer for.
As your fingers Lord we pray for the healing of our blindness to the truth. Lord open our eyes so we may see the sores of vanity upon us. Lord may these words these truths shown, these sores upon your fingers your servents be as spit and dirt and the touching of Your hands Lord so we may see the truth. Lord let us each see within ourselves Lord realizing we must all work together as one Body the Body of Jesus Christ. amen

 

[c1ners]

It was shown that the body is as God. The arms and hands as Jesus. We that have given our lives to Jesus are as the fingers of His hand. All being as one.
These fingers consist of individual christians who when acting upon the will of God. Have been placed in churches as members, on airways, media, papers, books, music internet, as preists, and pastors, teachers and prophets. ALL who call Jesus master.
If we look at our own hand we will notice no two fingers are the same. They are each unique in length, shape and thickness. As are the Fingers of Jesus each unique. His churches are based on the same foundation but each with its own uniquness, Each giving a place for the individual christian. Who are each unique. To be guided by Gods Spirit as placement on His hand. To work together like the hands placed upon a jar. Each fotting in its place to form a grip so the hand can twist it off.
But if each finger is not working together and moving in opposing movement. you are unable to even pick up the jar let alone remove the lid.
Could one who plays the piano make music if the fingers did not work together. Or could one finger make but noise. Where as they all together even if different and unique in size and shape when working in harmony and not against each other can make beautiful music.
Could a carpenter build anything no matter how great his knowledge, how fine the wood or how well his plans are laid out. If his fingers he could not place around the handle of his hammer.
Could we no matter how great our hunger even feed ourselves if our fingers would not work together to pick up that what we eat.
Satan is the beginning of sin and vanity is that which lead him to sin. And through vanity satan has caused deep and open sores upon the fingers of our masters hand.
Through vanity we are following our will and not our Lords. Because of vanity we hear those who say say my church or our church and seldom do we hear the truth. They are each our Lords churches. Because of vanity we look at the fingers beside us and scoff at them and say they should be like us. Because of vanity we look at the fingers beside us and scoff at the open sore upon them. and yes many do have open sores. But should we not pray for their healing of their sores and in doing so it would be ointment upon our own sores. There are even those who think that the other fingers should be removed and cut off from the hand. Is this not also vanity. For only one would have the authority to do so.
It has been shown the sore of vanity are deep upon the fingers of our Lord.
The harvest is near and His fingers must be healed as to help with the harvest. For if they are not much grain shall be left lying in the fields. Leaving the servents much to answer for.
As your fingers Lord we pray for the healing of our blindness to the truth. Lord open our eyes so we may see the sores of vanity upon us. Lord may these words these truths shown, these sores upon your fingers your servents be as spit and dirt and the touching of Your hands Lord so we may see the truth. Lord let us each see within ourselves Lord realizing we must all work together as one Body the Body of Jesus Christ. amen

Amen!